Smith faces gun question

| 25/02/2009

(CNS): Acting Police Commissioner James Smith faced the people of Bodden Town on Monday night, 23 February, and heard their concerns, which ranged from the dumping of derelict vehicles to the acting commissioner’s position on reviewing the number of firearms licences in the community. He also faced the demand for more Caymanian officers in the RCIPS and was criticised for not understanding Caymanian culture.

Along with his colleagues from the Royal Cayman Islands Police Service (RCIPS) Deputy Commissioner Anthony Ennis, Superintendent Adrian Seales, District Commander Richard Barrow and other officers from the district, Smith met with a small crowd from the Bodden Town community in his second community police meeting. Although two of the political candidates for the district were present, none of the current elected members attended the meeting, leaving it up to Sandra Catron and Theresa Pitcairn to raise a number of concerns on behalf of the community’s constituents.

One local farmer also directly criticised Smith over his intended statement to review firearms. He said that Smith did not understand the Caymanian culture and that farmers had used their weapons to control agouti rabbits for many years and that they also slaughter using rifles. He queried why, since no legal weapons had been found to be used in any crimes, the acting commissioner was seeking to review all legitimate gun owners’ weapons.

“I want to conduct a review so that I can satisfy myself that the legal weapons in Cayman are being stored appropriately, used appropriately, held and licensed appropriately,” Smith replied. “As the chief of police is charged with granting the licences, I need to make sure that everyone who owns a gun is looked at and can offer legitimate reasons for doing so.”

Smith, who has in his few months here made no secret of his opposition to firearms, said that just because so far there was no record of a licensed weapon being used in a crime, this was not a reason to believe it would never happen. He cited a number of incidents around the world where people have been murdered with weapons that were supposedly legitimately held.

“This is Cayman,” the farmer said to the acting commissioner. “We are not the UK or the US. We have used guns to control the agouti rabbit population for generations and we also use our guns to slaughter cows. This is our culture and we do not like people from outside trying to change our culture. The government used to pay farmers to shoot agouti to keep the population down. You say there is no legitimate reason for there being more than a 1,000 firearms on the island — we say this is a very valid reason.”

Smith, however, stated he would be reviewing the licensed weapons and was not convinced that the island needed the firearms and particularly the velocity required to kill animals. He said that rabbits could be snared, that bolts could be used to slaughter cattle and that cultures change.

People using drugs in the park near the Mission House, the situation surrounding the police helicopter, the use of mobile units and the police commitment to target child abuse, were all raised during the meeting. And for the second time, Smith was asked what he was doing to recruit more Caymanians into the service. A number of people at the meeting stated that more Caymanians were needed in the force to encourage better communication with the community as many Caymanians did not feel they could always trust non-Caymanian officers. The audience also suggested the service was becoming polarised and stratified, and while the community felt that had a lot to do with the varying nationalities in the service, the separation of the various command posts was not encouraging the necessary cohesive police service that was common in the past.

Smith admitted that the accident of history saw many of his departments stratified and it was an issue he was seeking to address, but given the financial constraints at present on all government departments, getting a new headquarters where traffic, intelligence, senior management and the main police station could find themselves all together was not likely to happen any time soon.

Smith also reiterated his point made in West Bay regarding recruitment of officers and that it was his intention to recruit the best officers for the job, and that given Cayman’s diverse community there was a need for the RCIPS to reflect that diversity.

Nor would Smith be drawn on whether or not he intended to apply for the senior position. Despite the close bell ringing yesterday and the widely known fact that he has applied for the full time post in the past, Smith refused to state whether or not he had filled in the application that he talked about in West Bay last week. So far, CNS has learned that, aside from for Detective Chief Superintendent Derek Haines, nine senior officers from various UK forces have also applied for the position.

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  1. Dennie Warren Jr. says:

    Dear Disgruntled Caymanian,

    Thank you for responding and expressing those kind remarks.

    Your dog and my goats
    Your post made me smile.  I don’t have any goats, but if I did, I wouldn’t shoot your dog because it chased my goats.  Even if your dog were to kill any of my prospective goats, I would view it as a guaranteed sale and send you an invoice for payment.  Plus interest of course. 🙂  Hopefully, your dog isn’t of a type described in Regulation 2 of the Animals (Prohibited Dogs) Regulations (2004 Revision).

    Self-defense
    I would however, lawfully defend myself and others against unlawful attack.  Section 18(1) and paragraph (a) of the Firearms Law (2008 Revision), reads, “No person shall discharge any firearm on or within forty yards of any public road or in any public place except-
        (a)  in the lawful protection of his person or property or of the person or property of some other person”

    Why you hate firearms
    You said,

    1. “I hate guns because it causes a lot of murders, fright, maiming, and injuries that possibly wouldn’t have happened if the person did not have a gun.”
    2. “I think here in Cayman we have already had 2 drive by shootings as far as i know, possibly more?”
    3. “I think it just makes it too easy for people to injure, maim or kill pets and people rather than looking about trying to resolve the problem a civilized way.”
    4. “So it won’t stop the injuries, maimings or murders, etc, but i think it just makes it too easy to commit them, therefore these crimes and assaults happen in higher numbers, rather than getting resolved in a civilized manner”
    5. “I don’t like the sounds of fireworks or firecrackers because it sounds like guns.”


    My reply:
    To not even like the sound of fireworks because they “sound like guns” is real hate.  However, unlike a firearm, your dog(s) can on their own initiative attack my prospective goat(s), but a firearm will never on its own initiative harm anyone because it’s an inanimate object.  So firearms themselves are always netutral in any debate, it’s their owners who must argue the points, otherwise the guns remain silent and harmless.  Therefore, firearms are not responsible for murder, etc. because they cannot do anything.  People kill people!

    What is the "civilized way" to stop a criminal who is three (3) seconds
    away from murdering you?  If you say call the RCIPS, I’ll give you another try, but just remember there is no second place ribbon when you’re actually trying to save your life.

    You said, “They don’t even have to go near the person and all they have to do is pull a trigger that even a child can pull because it is so simple and so easy to pull the trigger.”

    My reply:
    Not having to get near a person before having to pull the trigger is not in itself a bad thing, for example, during an act of self-defense.

    You said, “And also sadly some little children gets hold of their parent’s gun and accidentally shoot themselves or someone else.”

    My reply:
    How many times have you heard of some child in the Cayman Islands accessing legal firearms and shooing themselves?  I’m not suggesting that it’s impossible; but is very unlikely.



    For argument sake, what if a child was to get his or her hands on a legal firearm and kill themselves, should we ban firearms “to save the children”?  No!  The punishment for the owner’s negligence should be harsh.  Just like we don’t ban cars because some people kill others while driving drunk …

    I plan to satisfy any curiosity my daughter may have about firearms by providing her with good information.  Avoiding a discussion with her on the subject will cause her to seek information elsewhere, possibly receiving incorrect information.

    You said, “They have an old saying, live by the gun, die by the gun, live by the sword, die by the sword.”

    My reply:
    The phrase, “live by the gun, die by the gun, etc.” is an often misunderstood saying, it is intended to be a warning to those who live a life of crime.  It is telling them, what goes around, comes around.  I prefer to use a better equivalent instead, “…for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap…” – Galatians 6:7

    Since, I don’t live a life of crime, the saying does not apply to me.  Legal firearm ownership is permitted, so there is no wrong to be returned to its owner.  Therefore, my lawful use of firearms means that I’m not living by the sword.

    Remember,
    we don’t have to be criminals or own firearms to become a victim of crime, our beloved Estella is a perfect example of that truth.

    Hunting
    As it relates to the Cayman Islands, I’ve said it here before.

    Summary
    Legal private firearm ownership makes perfect sense.

    “Of course, people will be killed because guns exist, but the lives of other people will also be saved because gun exist” – Robert Levy Cato Institute.

    God Bless you.

  2. Anonymous says:

    Dear Dennie,

    I must say, your polite manners in the way you write and respond show me that there would be no reason to be afraid of you and your gun unless maybe my dog chases your goat, if you have goats, or unknowingly shoot in hunting in the Cayman bush and someone accidentally gets shot?

    You are truly a very polite person.  I write alot of posts on here on CNS blogs, and sometimes i get some very unpolite responses, sometimes CNS doesn’t post my post at all.  Without even informing me of why they don’t post some of my posts?  Only one time i have found out because i asked them about a post i wrote that they didn’t post about what is going on with the Governor and this whole situation with SPIT etc, and i was told because some of my post had cap locks and implied that i was shouting, so they couldn’t post it.  I don’t see why it would matter?  People shout in pickets and protests, it’s a natural part of Democracies and freedom of speech?  All the other times some of my posts haven’t been posted pertaining to the heated debate over the Pastors sitting at the drafting table of the Bill of Rights and the heated debate over Section 16 the discrimination section.  I say alot about what the Bible has to say and it opposes the Pastors so sometimes my posts do not get posted, it is rather frustrating, but i just try to re-write a reply in a different way to try to get my response posted somehow.  If an unbeliever speaks out against a Pastor no one troubles them.  But me as a Believer i speak out because biblically the Pastors aren’t following God’s Word in the Bible, but sometimes my post doesn’t get posted. I guess the old saying goes "the truth hurts sometimes".

    Anyhow, you asked me why i hate guns?  I hate guns because it causes alot of murders, fright, maiming, and injuries that possibly wouldn’t have happened if the person did not have a gun.  I don’t like the sounds of fireworks or firecrackers because it sounds like guns.  People can drive by and shoot up someone’s home with guns so easily.  In the US they have a lot of drive by shootings that many results in innocent people and children get injured, maimed or killed.  I think here in Cayman we have already had 2 drive by shootings as far as i know, possibly more?  I think it just makes it too easy for people to injure, maim or kill pets and people rather than looking about trying to resolve the problem a civilized way.  People commit injuries, maimings and murders with knives, machettes, spears, etc.  So it won’t stop the injuries, maimings or murders, etc, but i think it just makes it too easy to commit them, therefore these crimes and assaults happen in higher numbers, rather than getting resolved in a civilized manner.  They don’t even have to go near the person and all they have to do is pull a trigger that even a child can pull because it is so simple and so easy to pull the trigger.  And also sadly some little children gets hold of their parent’s gun and accidentally shoot themselves or someone else. 

    They have an old saying, live by the gun, die by the gun, live by the sword, die by the sword.

    And that is the truth of how i feel about it, you asked me, so i replied.  So i guess we don’t agree on certain issues pertaining to guns, but i do appreciate your very polite ways that shows in your writings and replies.

    God Bless.

     

     

  3. Dennie Warren Jr. says:

    Dear Disgruntled Caymanian, we can disagree on the hunting part, but would you please explain why you hate firearms?

  4. Anonymous says:
  5. Dennie Warren Jr. says:

    Dear Disgruntled Caymanian, should we be developing every inch of land?  Why should our culture be killed?  You’re willing to overlook the damage being done to our islands daily and instead focus on something that has never happened.  Sigh!

  6. Disgruntled Caymanian says:

    To all of you who think there is plenty space for hunting in this island.

    BEWARE, YOU MIGHT UNKNOWINGLY ONE DAY SHOOT A REAL ESTATE AGENT WHO IS SHOWING SOMEONE A PARCEL OF BUSH LAND TO PURCHASE! 

    Whatever happened to common sense, or do you all not have any or don’t even know what common sense is??

    You GUN THIRSTY insane people!!

    THIS ISLAND CAN NO LONGER SUPPORT LEGAL HUNTING, it is too developed and developing more constantly!

    I guess it will sadly take tragedy to get it through your heads, but even then, your heart is probably so stone cold that it still wouldn’t get through your head unless it was your own family member that were to get shot and killed by a stray hunting bullet!

  7. Dennie Warren Jr. says:

    To: Anonymous on Thu, 02/26/2009 – 22:58 (Who said, "… total mayhem …")

    How is it possible for an inanimate firearm to be capable of the mens rea required to commit murder…?

  8. Anonymous says:

    You just have to look at the USA to see what can happen when gun laws are liberalised – total mayhem, with an increadibly high murder rate.

  9. Dennie Warren Jr. says:




    Dear Anonymous on Thu, 02/26/2009 – 18:23,

     

    Hunting of parrots still is illegal.  As I have said in an earlier post, the birds which may be legally hunted are listed in section 81 of the Animals Law (2003 Revision) which reads,

     

    “The following are game birds-

    1. White-Winged dove (whitewing), (Zenaida asiatica);

    2. White-Crowned Pigeon (bald pate), (Columba leucocephala); and

    3. Blue-Winged Teal, (Anas discors).”

    When hunting game birds, the ammunition used in a shotgun do not discharge bullets (A single projectile), they discharge what are called “shot”; which are very small pellets.  The “shot” loses its energy very quickly, so, there is no “stray bullet” with shotgun hunting.  However, when rifles are used for hunting rabbits, the hunter is normally elevated a few feet above the ground so that the trajectory of the bullet forces it to terminate when it hits the soil, instead of traveling through the bushes to some distance place.

     

    You would get a better understanding of my answer to your concerns if you knew the basics of firearm safety and experienced a simulated hunt.

     

    The four Cardinal Rules of Firearm Safety are:

    1. Treat every firearm as if it were loaded.
    2. Point your firearms in a safe direction (one where an unintentional discharge will cause NO HUMAN INJURY and, at most, minor property damage. AKA “the laser rule”).
    3. Keep your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard, indexed along the frame or slide until you are on target and have decided to fire.
    4. Be sure of your target, backstop, and beyond.

    I’m a firearms instructor and this is an offer to conduct a free simulation for you.  My phone number is 345-926-0716, call or text me your contact details.

     

    Lastly, there is lots of land appropriate for hunting in the Cayman Islands.

  10. Paul says:




    “If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words.”

    To start lets add a scenario to the table, you are considering being a robber or murderer, would you rather go into a house that you know does not have weapons because no one is allowed them, or would you have to think twice knowing that anyone in any house could have a weapon. Of course the first option is the seemingly better one especially as a non-law-abiding citizen you would most likely buy an illegal firearm anyway.

    “If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words.” Of course the answer is and always will be no, a gun is a tool as much as a pencil or anything else you are taught to use. In response to the comment “Do we want children to find the guns and "play" with them.” Of course we don’t however do you want your children playing with knives? No, so what do you do, you either teach the child how to handle the knife or you lock it up till they can understand how to.

     The biggest problem with gun control laws and making it almost impossible to get a firearm is simply, criminals do not obey the law; gun control only disarms the innocent. Do I have any disagreements?

    “Another time a man was getting ready to kill his cow, and the man was drunk, celebrating the season.  The same time he aimed and fired his dog got in the way and was shot dead.  Accidents do happen but an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.” Although this may seem like a sad story let’s look back shall we, “ready to kill his cow, and the man was drunk” stupidity is not the fault of the gun, nor is it considered an accident. No one should be in charge of a firearm while intoxicated.

     

    Something to think on:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L3kMuN8sjk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ExC7fE1LaY&feature=related

  11. Anonymous says:

    What exactly are we all to go get guns for and hunt in the bush???  What are we hunting – the Cayman Parrot???  With residential development constantly rising in the Island, how much bush is left that is really safe to go around hunting in that a stray bullet couldn’t reach and kill a child playing or anyone else in their backyard may i ask???  Or anyone somewhere in the bush farming or hiking or something???  If the Government wants to expand guns and hunting in the bush, then they should not have overdeveloped the island.  It is too filled with people everywhere now and continues to develop and is absolutely dangerous to go around hunting in the little bush that’s left in this Island.  And remember, the little bush keeps getting developed and becoming smaller and smaller.  The Cayman Islands bush is becoming extinct!  What you think is bush could be a farm behind it!  Or someone’s home!

    I used to live in an area where there is a little bush and i would hear those gun shots in the bush on a regular basis and everytime i would run into my house in fear with my heart pounding afraid that a stray bullet would hit me!

    This island cannot support hunting period!  There is no room for hunting in such an overpopulated small island! 

    People kill cows for slaughter other ways too.  There is many tribes in the world that have never seen a gun in their life and they raise and slaughter cows.  When were guns invented??? A couple hundred years ago???  And people have been killing cows for 6000 years according to the Bible time?  According to Evolution Science it may be millions of years?

    So, why do we need guns to kill cows anyway???

    As for the rabbits who eat at the farm produce, catch and kill them the old time way, guns are just a modern thing.  And then you could eat them for food, instead of wasting the kill.  Many people eat rabbit meat.

    Now, here is the problem.  If a person wants a gun and can’t own it legally, they will buy it illegally.  There are many guns smuggled into the island on boats along with ganja and cocaine that reaches our shores.  They are for sale just as much as the ganja and cocaine is for sale.  It is all part of the illegal drug business.

    So, here we go again with another problem that has no complete solution to it.  (Other than intercepting some of the illegal boats coming in with the guns, but you can’t catch them all!  And there are already many, many illegal guns that are already in the island – M16’s, AK47’s, all different types of handguns, etc.)

    But one solution that we do need is to make hunting with guns in the bush illegal and vigilantly enforce the Law!  It is WAY TOO DANGEROUS AND TERRIFYING in this tiny overpopulated island!  It is INSANE!

  12. Wendy J says:

    How sad to have someone so short-sighted and ignorant in such a powerful position.  Cayman people should immediately do all they can to overthrow this guy.  Who is he to come into YOUR country and tell you how he’s going to change it?  Change is good, but not pointless changes.  Firearms are not the problem, people are the problem.  People like Smith!  The saddest part of this is his complete disregard and TOTAL DISRESPECT for the culture that he is supposed to be protecting and connecting with.  I implore the people of Grand Cayman to stand up to this power hungry bully. 

  13. whodatis says:

    Smith simply comes across as arrogant and condescending.

    Caymanians clearly see the b.s. he spews for what it is, yet he obviously feels he has the right to do so and it should be respected and accepted  as far as he’s concerned.

    His plans for a ‘gun study’ instills no confidence in me whatsoever that headway will be made into the rising concern of gun crime in the country. Legally owned guns are NOT being used to commit crimes!

    Therefore…what is the damn point?!

    The UK govt simply want an inventory of guns in the country…we need to ask ourselves – why is this?

    If there ever was a time to consider arming one’s self in the Cayman Islands – or worldwide as a matter of fact – it is now!

    Quite frankly, I’m tired of the plantation set-up that still exists in this country.

    Far too many outsiders, newly arrived ones for that matter, are calling the shots – and they do so with no regard or respect for the local people.

    Wake up Cayman!

  14. Shaun Ebanks says:

    It is clear from all that I have read recently about James Smith whom I was originally prepared to support, but unfortunate to conclude at present, that he is no more than a ¨stool pigeon and a puppet¨ for the FCO, Stuart Jack and Martin Bridger. It appears from all that has been reported to the press that he is ¨hell bent¨on disarming native Caymanians and legal residents alike, of the rights to protect ourselves, our property and attempt to ignore our culture and our heritage.

    How dare he suggest or imply, that legal firearm owners whom have secured their firearms from ¨donkey ears¨are somehow today, responsible for the gun crimes in the Cayman Islands ????

    I suggest that you Mr. Smith Re-arm certain of your officers who had this capabilty over the past 35 years, so that these fine officers may have the strong capability and firm confidence to interdict those who comes to our shores on a daily basis, for the sole purpose of illegal gain and to spew and distribute their venom on the streets of our islands. 

    Please exit the ¨Ivory Tower¨at Elizabethan Square¨ more regularly and visit deep inside the Cayman Islands Community at least 2-3 times a week, learn our people and our culture, before implying or suggesting such utter ignorance and unfounded beliefs.

    I suppose I will be hearing or reading next that the firearm renewal licences through your fine recommendations and analysis, will likely be increased by 500-1,000 % . To suggest, imply or believe that firearm licencees are somehow directly responsible for Murders, Robberies, Serious Assaults, Drug and Firearm Trafficking in the Cayman Islands, is absolutely absdurd !!!!!

    What ever happened to Commissioners of Police  who once came from the UK such as the likes of Anthony Grey and David Thursfield ????? Have the likes of those fine gentlemen all disappeared from the UK Police Forces into some remote tropical island in the South Pacific or perhaps over to Spain or somewhere ??????

    I sure wish Commissioners of their calibre could once be identified again. Maybe Royce Hipgrave was one of them but was keen not  to be ¨used¨ as Mr. James Smith is. We will never know ?????? 

     

    Shaun Ebanks.

     

     

  15. Ken Johnson says:

    It sounds to me like Smith does not like guns in the hands of citizens and would prefer to get rid of them altogether. The problem with that is when you take guns from law abiding citizens, the criminals will be the only ones to have guns. Now you can stand back and watch your crime rate go up. If gun control is truly Smith’s hidden agenda, he might want to read a few history books to see how well gun control worked in Nazi Germany.

  16. Dennie Warren Jr. says:




    I was present during this meeting in Bodden Town and the bias of the Acting Commissioner of Police (“ACoP”) against the private ownership of firearms is still obviously.  The ACoP said, “… I need to make sure [persons] can offer legitimate reasons for [private firearms ownership].”

     

    While on a talk show earlier this month, the ACoP attacked our right to hunt game by saying that, he noticed there are lots of chickens here on GCM and that tells him there are no foxes here.  Therefore, he’s not sure about the legitimacy of private firearm ownership for hunting.  He also said that he doesn’t see any game birds here either.

     

    For those of you who were mislead into believing that the ACoP is not attacking Caymanian culture and that he does not desire to devour our right to private firearm ownership and hunting, you should be aware of section 81 of the Animals Law (2003 Revision) which reads,

     

    “The following are game birds-

    (a)    White-Winged dove (whitewing), (Zenaida asiatica);

    (b)   White-Crowned Pigeon (bald pate), (Columba leucocephala); and

    (c)    Blue-Winged Teal, (Anas discors).”

     

    The ACoP should know that in my opinion there is a fox on GCM and he is not hunting chickens, but instead he’s stalking our firearms and hunting rights, and I consider his action harassment by the state.  His attitude is worrisome to a good number of persons I know, because in summary he gave the impression when talking about firearms, that he being a superior being; from a superior region of the world; having a superior culture, is entitled to change our culture to his liking.  I guess it’s not legitimate enough reason for him that the Firearms law (2008 Revision) allows private firearms ownership and that the Animals Law (2003 Revision) allows hunting?

     

    He should stop spinning around on his chair to fast; because he appears to be dizzy.  He should also stop trying to criminalize what is legal and instead focus his attention on criminals.

     

    I will protect my daughter from the dangers of the world by educating her about the risks of life; she will never be treated as if she is too stupid to understand the safe and proper use of firearms, vehicles, or anything else.  She will know why page 98 of Founded upon the Seas, A History of the Cayman Islands and Their People, were written.  She will also know how both of her great grandfathers and others during World War II helped to purchase the degree of legal recognition for her Rights and Freedoms enjoyed today.

     

    And, she will also know why foxes have the reputation they do!

     

     

  17. whodatis says:

    People…wake up!

    There are approx. 1000 legally owned guns in Cayman…they DID NOT arrive here in the last few years – the period of the rise in gun crime.

    Guns have been on the islands for as long as I can remember – as a child one of my neighbours owned a few guns and my uncle did as well.

    My point is that it is clear to see that Caymanian gun owners are responsible gun owners and this is further supported by the FACT that no gun crimes have included legally owned guns!

    The bottom line is that here in Cayman, “gun ownership” and “gun crime” are two very distinct and unrelated issues! Why is he trying to connect unrelated dots?!

    This will only result in a waste of money and resources that should be directed to far more pressing issues – such as nightclub violence perhaps?!

    “…cultures change…” ?!

    The nerve of this man!

    Kindly let us put him on the first thing smoking back to his Judicially and officially branded “institutionally racist” London Metropolitan Police Service.

    Lastly, why do we keep having these white British men sent to head up our police service?!

    I am sure I will NEVER see the day when a non-white, non-traditionally British person will be head of the UK Police Service…NEVER!!

    In the last decadethe UK police has been making efforts to recruit more officers from ethnic minority groups because “studies” have proven that it is beneficial for a country/group/community to police itself. I could’ve told them that for free!

    Anyway, my point is…the UK goes completely against their own official policy within their country and applies a “business as usual” approach to us Caymanians…

    People…WAKE UP!!

  18. Patrick Aurience says:

    Speaking as an American I think it is important to keep in mind that the goal here is to prevent crime by deducing the number of available guns. Guns cause all crime and nobody was ever killed by another person prior to guns. So if you remove guns, people will stop killing each other. Nobody has ever used a bow, or a knife, or a bomb, or a club, or a rope or their own bare hands. It is a constant struggle here in the US to keep our right to bear arms safe and that is with our own people. I think it is REALLY sad that an ex-pat is trying to set policy on the Caymanian people contrary to their own traditions for no other reason than his own misconceptions.

    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe this is a sign for what is to come with all these investigations and the best option is to remove all legal firearms due to fear of good citizens rising up to take our country back. Mr. Smith the RCIP is already understaffed use good common sense and try to get the illegal ones off the street and keep them for our shores and

      If you trouble hornets you will get stung.

       

  19. Anonymous says:

    If no legal firearm has been used in any crime, how dare this fool waste taxpayers money and police resources when the only result can be the harrasment of law-abiding citizens.

  20. Anonymous says:

    at least you will be doing based on expereince and knowledge and not fear and ignorance.

               Being an American, I will not pretend for a second that what works for one country will work for others and vice versa, but I will say that any time a government fears arms in the hands of its people; it is truly time for the people to fear the government.  Anti-gun people always use things like safety for children  and other things, that you would look like a demon to oppose, where the bottom line is this, it is your God given right to be able to defend your life and the life of your family.  Police service by design shows up after the fact.  They NEVER show up before you are raped or murdered.  While living in Cayman I respect and honor the laws and culture of this country, but I will say this, if I was Caymanian, and a foreign police chief wanted to take my right away for self protection.  I would be furious.  And yes, I said self protection, it is never about hunting.  And remember the opposition who likes to pass "feel good" legislation will always quote statistics, and try and tell you it is all about our children etc.  They simple do this to guilt you into agreeing with them.  You want to make the children safe, stop drug importation, educate on teenage pregnancy and make sure education in general is top priority for your young people and stop worrying about something that isn’t a problem.  You ban legal ownership of firearms, the only ones that will have them is the criminals, and if you can’t stop drugs from coming into the country, you’re NOT going to stop illegal firearms, and as the article states, legal guns are not a problem.  Banning them in the name of further prevention is like sentencing a person to life in prison for a murder they have not yet committed, because you think they might.
               
                     One person writes in and states "All Smith wants to do is make sure the guns are stored properly".  Yep, that’s what they always say. That’s not what they mean. 
      
                      Another writes in and says "Accidents do happen but an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure."  Then using that same analogy , since more people are killed in Cayman every year by cars then guns, we all should turn in our cars and use public transportation, and since we had some people drown last year while fishing, we should make it illegal to go in the water as you would be safer.  Life always has dangers, giving up freedoms in the name of security does nothing but provide a false sense of security.
      
                       Another says "Smith is suggesting that they should not have guns at all and that the culture should change." I will never understand why a government that exists, because the people allow it, thinks they can tell their populace that THEY, the government, are the only ones that should have the capability to defend themselves.
     
                       One quote says "So we have to choose between tradition or the safety of our children. Seems a simple enough choice” Yep, we teach them the world is not a safe place and that common sense, combined with responsibility is their best defense against this.  People always attack what they fear and know nothing about.  We all drive cars and are familiar with them.  There death toll per year does not matter.  We except it.  We all like a little alcohol now and again, we all understand it and the death toll does not matter.  The percentage of population that is knowledgeable on firearms is relatively small in comparison; those not in the know base their fears upon television shows, and the news.
     
                        Maybe before you write in and condemn firearms and try and guilt people into agreeing by using the children, you should take a Saturday and go to the gun club and meet the people who are knowledgeable on the subject and learn a little about it.  I guarantee you will feel differently after the experience.  Fair enough, you may still oppose firearms, but at least you will oppose them based on knowledge and not on fear and ignorance to the topic.
     
    An American quote that applies to this in my humble opinion:
     
    It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. 
     
    Thomas Paine (1737-1809) 
     
    I say this on the eve of Cayman writing its new constitution, remember you voted for people in power, hold them accountable for their actions. For Cayman to remain the paradise it is, which I am honored to be a part of for a few years, you MUST protect your language, borders and culture, it IS your future.

     
     
     
     
     

  21. Dennie Warren Jr. says:







    Please see the following link where the RCIPS is acting unlawfully: http://www.caycompass.com/cgi-bin/CFPnews.cgi?ID=1037665.  What say you?

     

     

  22. Anonymous says:

    So we have to choose between tradition or the safety of our children. Seems a simple enough choice.

  23. Anonymous says:

    Its all about  more corruption and with even two investigations for Corruption in the RCIPS, then one would be led to wonder what is the RCIPS  looking like.

     Mr. Smith has No Intentions on doing too much more than just accumilating more expence on the Cayman poor people with these so-called professional Police investigators.

    They too will eventually come up with a "Insufficient evidence" on the Investigations,  and "Sufficient Money" that will have to be paid by us.So this is all about more Corruptin and less betterment for Caymanian people and the RCIPS officers as they continue to do their wrongs while the investigation goes on.

    HE Jack Stuart, the Governor saw corruption there and also in the Judicial System…. What happened  there with HE Jack¨s investigation ????

     Think about it Caymanians….  We need Changes YES,  but the right kind of  way.

  24. Twyla M Vargas says:

    POLICE MEETING BODDEN TO

    One thing I can say it is very good having these meetings.  What happens is, it allows communication between the police and the residents of the districts.

    Of course we have five Government ministers residing in this district and four MLA,s.  None were present neither were the representatives for the district present.  However there is a bad flu going around.

    Reports were at a low, and thumbs up should go to Chief Barrow and all the others of his team which make it safe for us to continue to live here.  I was please to hear that followups are being done on a few minor issues like having old vehicles removed from the side of the road and more patrols. 

    The issue of guns were brought up, and with no hard feelings to anyone, I must agree with the police Commissioner that we need to have a very strict control on guns.  The Cayman Agouti, (Rabbit) can be a nusiance if you have a plantation, but cayman is so very populated now, I am very much against the use of guns in the woodland.  I do not want to see these rabbits become like we are; a lost tribe.  We need to Find a way to deal with them besides killing them off.

    The Killing of cows at christmas time with guns in front of children and adults is very savage.  Yes it may be traditional, but some traditional things we dont need anymore.   I remember when I was a kid and at Christmas time, some of us would go and hide when we hear they were going to kill Cow.  It was a horrifying sight,  because sometimes the cow did not die right away and would run off and drop down.   Another time a man was getting ready to kill his cow, and the man was drunk, celebrating the season.  The same time he aimed and fired his dog got in the way and was shot dead.  Accidents do happen but an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.

  25. Anonymous says:

    All Smith wants to do is make sure the guns are stored properly. Why is that attacking Cayman culture? Do we want children to find the guns and "play" with them? Or thugs to steal them?

    • Anonymous says:

      To: Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 02/25/2009 – 11:37

      I think you need to read the article properly. Smith is suggesting that they should not have guns at all and that the culture should change. They should trap the agoutis.