New port proposal surfaces

| 13/01/2012

cruise ship beautiful.jpg(CNS): The government could have another proposal to consider alongside its current talks with the Chinese for cruise berthing facilities, this time in George Town. Although government has rejected the alternative put forward by local sea captains in South Sound, this third option keeps the facilities in the capital. CNS understands that a Caymanian led consortium has approached government with a plan to finance and construct the facilities in the Pageant beach area. The proposal would be an all-weather facility with no competing retail that would deliver passengers ashore around one mile north of the current terminals and shuttle them into the down town area.

Sources tell CNS that the proposal from the as yet unnamed group of local businessmen would reportedly involve a direct partnership with the cruise lines and would not depend on upland retail development at the site, which is currently in private hands.

It is understood that an offer has been made for the land that would facilitate this third option for government to consider.

Sources close to the consortium told CNS that this proposal would address all of the concerns that people have about the facility and would ensure that the cruise facilities remain safely in Caymanian hands. The project was described as “ideal” as it would mean the facilities would still be very close to the main retail area in down-town George Town but it would alleviate rather than add to the downtown traffic issues.

The group is said to be offering a guarantee that, with the exception of the marine engineering experts, the bulk of the work will go directly to Caymanian contractors and the group estimates that as many as 2,000 local people could be employed on the project.

The eleventh hour proposal is currently well under wraps but CNS understands that the plans will be submitted to government this week and details of them will be made public before the end of January.

Government is currently engaged in talks with the Beijing based firm China Harbour Engineering Company (CHEC) after the MOU between the premier, the Port Authority and the Chinese firm was renewed in November to extend talks until March.

The proposal with CHEC involves a 51-year lease on the upland element of the development, which would include a range of facilities, including a hotel, a proposal for a casino, restaurants and an extensive retail area with a two storey walkway from the ships.

Meanwhile, a group of local sea-captains have proposed that the facilities be developed in the Red Bay South Sound area, which they say presents a safe all-weather harbour with facilities for up to four piers and a marina, where passengers would be shuttled into George Town from the ships.

The premier, however, recently rejected the proposal as he said the cruise berthing facilities had to be in George Town because of the investment by local merchants in the capital.

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  1. Anonymous says:

    Airport! Caymanian tourist product! Selected smaller cruise ships at the higher end may be appropriate for Cayman as a diversied filler for the tourist-based economy. However, large numbers of large boats, whilst great for the few and in the short term, are the key to the undoing of smaller islands liek Cayman. Simply, places like Puerto Rico and Jamaica have the land mass to disperse these volumes of people more effectively. The low-rent, soulless capital of cruise-based outlets we now have and the congestion of the hoards of cruise-shippers endangers not only the quality of life for everyone who lives here but the tourist product for those who actually want to spend some time (and money) visiting and experiencing Cayman. I do not believe the residents in Cayman nor the higher-spending overight visitors want to see more and more hoards and the capital town overrun by vendors of over-priced cheap tatty t-shirts and trinkets made elsewhere. It is the natural beauty and authenticity that affords such a great quality of life in places like Cayman and attracts repeat tourism. A dredged out, reefless overpopulated landmass will keep people away in droves and the people left here will resent the quick buck that most people did not even see. Perhaps a better airport facility and careful development to attract higher end tourism is more appropriate for Cayman, Anguilla, St Barts, BVI etc. where the focus is on the natural beauty of the place and some expenditure may build on facilitating Caymanians in developing niche tourism that touches more lightly on the very small resource we have.  There is a high value market little-tapped in much of the Caribbean for small, family or locallly run hotels or guesthouses whose USP is the personal touch, local knowledge and advice and the feeling that people are not always spending their $ on some large corporate but directly into a local economy. In places such as South America and South Africa, these places are abundant and prosperous.


  2. Anonymous says:

    We might want to put this off for awhile."Travel industry analyst Mark Murphy said since cruise ship vacation industry is still in its infancy in the United States with only 20 percent of Americans having been on a cruise.

    "The problem is this could impact the other 80 percent who are yet to try cruises," said Murphy.

    He said the cruise industry was already forecasting cheaper fares for 2012 to help counter the impact of the soft U.S. economy and an imminent European recession."  Yahoo News

    This being the ship that just ran aground.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Hell no !!!  Not this again.


  4. Anonymous says:

    Downtown – oasis ship docks and cargo port
    Pageant beach – small cruise ship and mega yachts docks
    Red bay – left untouched – marine park/ environmental zone left for future generations to enjoy

  5. Anonymous says:

    Here we go again !  Keep them coming !  LOL.  Meanwhile Mac must be having a fit – why can't people leave him alone to carry out his plans for the port and stop interfering? Ha ha!  However, in all seriousness, Caymanians are beginning to think and consider other options, and that's always a good thing.   LOL.

  6. revolution says:

    I almost don't see the point in voicing an opinion on these news feeds any more. The Cayman Government obviously could not care less for the views of the people. 

    Lets stop complaining/ranting/raging about their incredibly ignorant decisions and take real action. 

    Cayman needs a revolution, along with the rest of the world….

  7. Anonymous says:

    They need to go back to the Chuckster's plan to move cargo to the north off shore from Mr. Arthur's Store and redevelop the existing cargo dock into a proper cruise berthing facility.

    If the UDP had continued with the Clifford plan, we would have had our berthing facilities completed for this current winter season and rather than having a 25% decline in cruise tourism we would have had the opposite result with much better management of cruise tourism.

    To put Ellio Solomon in charge of a project that he knows nothing about and has absolutely no expeience in is the height of stupidity. The Chinese will take us to the cleaners on this project while convincing Ellio that he and Mac are getting a sweetheart deal.

    To hear Ellio compare this project to the affordable housing project speaks volumes about his lack of understanding with respect to the magnitude and complexity of this cruise berthing project. Ellio is very clearly in much deeper water than he realises.

    The UK and the Auditor General had better keep their eyes on this project.

  8. Anonymous says:

    I think this whole project should be put on hold until the impact of the Costa Concordia sinking has been assessed. Based on early reports it raises some very serious safety questions about large cruise ships.

    According to current reports, the 950 foot long Costa Concordia sank after sustaining a 160 foot gash in her hull but in 1992 the QE2, which is a similar length, survived damage along 400 feeet of her hull.

    If this latest incident doesn't raise more than a few questions about the safety of the current generation of cruise ships then someone clearly isn't asking the right questions.


  9. Anonymous says:

    When Cuba opens up, there will be no more cruise tourism in Cayman. So why even bother.

    • So says:

      So are the ships just going to visit Cuba and turn around and go back home ? Think before you put your mouth in gear please!


  10. Knot S Smart says:

    I have heard so much about this port that I have decided to create a new local beer to be called 'New Port'

    It will taste similar to greenies but the cow dung gives it a slightly sweeter taste…


  11. Anonymous says:

    Where’s Alice? This is a good one for protest .. No more tourists on my West Bay Road!!

  12. so Anonymous says:

    Always a reason NOT to do anything.  Which is a good thing when matched by the inability to get anything done. 

  13. Sam Putt Putt says:

    It seems one is assuming "one mile north of the of the current terminals," means Seven Mile Beach. An all-weather facility one mile north of Town isn't posible on the west side of Seven Mile Beach. Unless the term "all-weather" is being used rather loosely. It is however eminently possible on the east side of Seven Mile Beach. This is another in the long, tiresome line of projects and proposals to dredge the North Sound.

  14. Anonymous says:


  15. Anonymous says:

    Pagaent Beach should be used for Cayman's own Heritage works, where we can have heritage shows, heritage music and display Cayman's own Heritage crafts.  Pagaent Beach is authentic Caymanian and should remain as such. The name should never be changed as it is a historical Cayman name. Remember that!

  16. Anonymous says:

    Why not convert Jackson Point on South Church Street into the Cruise Ship Dock and allow the fuel ships to off load in the northsound by the Marco G building, which will bring the major fuel distribution to one side of the Island, instead of running the fuel lines across the centre of George Town.  Since Mr. Dart is already approved to dredge the Northsound, perhaps he can dredge it wide enough to accomodate the fuel tankers.  Then we can used the existing Jackson Point, as the cruise ship onloading/offloading facility and then continue to use the existing South Terminal dock, as the cargo dock? I don't know too much about shipping and docking, but I do know some of our History.  I recall in 1976 I saw the unfortunate demise of the Kirk Pride and in 1984 the Rhapsody running aground just off Pagaent Beach and she was loaded with people. I do not wish to see any more disasters like those happening again in my lifetime. Take heed my people and handle this dock business with due care and attention.  Don't always listen to those money people, they don't know our history. Listen to the Cayman people of the sea.

  17. Anonymous says:

    How many more guests will come off cruise line with they can dock? How many complaints does the cruise line get from injuries related to the elderly transported on tenders?

    If the retail people of GT are protected, the EIA comes in with minimal impact, all the stake holders are protected, the cruise lines gaurantee yearly visitors, the government takes back the port after a minimal number of years, the coffers of CIG are taking into consideration, Caymanian firms/investors are given first option for involvement…

    This deal is a winner!!! Give me some thumbs up, wooo woooo !!!

  18. Anonymous says:

    I'm all for a local proposal but why do they have to go right next to 7MB. That's a big problem. Why can't they do it downtown. Also, why don't we just build a dock and let the docking fees pay for it. All the retail stuff is what makes the CHEC thing cost THREE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. and is high risk.  How about a dock for $150,000,000 that could actually be paid for (maybe).

  19. Crayon Break says:

    Sounds good, i just have one concern;how are we doing to secure the amount of tourist that we are all imagining will arrive to the island?

    I love this place however Im quick to acknowledge that as a tourist destination it lacks identity. Please remember our visitors will also be visiting other destinations e.g. Jamaica,,Bahamas etc…How do we really match up to these destinations?

    • Anonymous says:

      Mr Break I think the new port is supposed to help us keep who are coming and bring more of them off the ships. I am always amused when the radio stations sing out that we have 2-3,000 tourist in and around town from the cruise ships. What they are in fact saying is thats how much people are on the ships. In reality the number is much lower. Some tourist are not willing to come ashore on the small boats. It should also be pointed that the system that we have takes extra time to take them off the ships and get them back on board. This means that they have limited time ashore. Also there will be some that as you say not want to come and see what we have to offer. These may or will be tempted just to come ashore and walk around town and buy things.

      By the way in terms of this new proposal. Anyone remember the Marriott. They have issues keeping sand in front of the hotel. The currents along the sevem mile beach needs to be taken into consideration before the sand shifts again.

  20. Special Needs Donkey says:

    Gerry nah gine like dis one needa. Tru Tru promised him a dock out front Wiking Gallery en he still waitin.

  21. Dare to Dream says:

    WOW!! Just yesterday I was having a conversation with someone and wondering why some of Cayman wealth people were'nt interested in building the port and to my pleasant surprise this morning it is the talk of the Town.  I don't know anything about dredging  but if this is at all possible I hope this idea will be look into properly and urgently.  I read where the New Jamaica Prime Minister has been asked to cancel the work going on there by the Chinese and it she decides to do that it will only be a matter of time before Cayman's MOU with them is scrapped – you get my drift?  Personally I will be overjoyed about that decision if and when it comes.   Perhaps the businessmen/women could also offer share subscription to those of us who might want to be a part of it.  I would much rather put my money in something so tangible than  having it in a bank at this time and getting no interest  on it. 

    • Anonymous says:

      Come on people how about some trust in the Government. I saw the proposal's that Mr. Glidden presented during the negotiations with DART & GLF. No guarantees by Gvernment, no taking from existing Government revenue, majority local labour, Port Authority with operational control, very little retail space because we already have enough in George Town, and less than 30 years on the concessions. Now Mr. Solomon and Mr. Bush have promised an even better deal, lets wait and see, if the country gets a better deal then we should be glad and appreciative. Stop the grumbling we dont have money to do it ourselves and the wealthy Caymanians arent willing to take the risk.

    • anonymous says:

      Unless you have $200.000.000 in bank keep dreaming. We are not talking about a shopping plaza up on Sheddon Road. Most folks can hardly pay their CUC bills much less put their money at risk out in the sea there.

    • Anonymous says:

      I would not hold my breath that Jamaica will cancel anything with the Chinese. Yes there will be some re-negociation, but as the old Jamaican Proverb states. "MONEY HAVE  MOUTH".

      Never think for a minute that any Politician gets into Power for their physical health.

    • Anonymous says:

      By the time we get someone in Government that is really serious about the welfare of the Caymanian people we will have already squandered more than enough money to build the Port facility in fines and settlements for broken agreements.

  22. Anonymous says:

    This ignores the very real problem of sand movement into the dredged out hole necessary for the berthing facility. This location closer to 7 mile beach must answer this concern because we cannot risk the crown jewel in Cayman tourism.

    I don't care how you vote in reply to this but the problem must be answered.

  23. Anonymous says:

    Too late!   Puppet Mac has already accepted and has been spending Chinesse Yuan!!

    • Anonymous says:

      Is it true that the Government has given the Chinese a 50 year lease which is longer than they were willing to give any of the other companies, also is it true that they are going to use some of the existing Government revenue to pay for the docks (unlike what we were told in regards to the other negotiations, will the Chinese be allowed to build tens of 1000's of sq. ft. of retail space to take all of the business from the existing downtown stores? Who will have operational control of the Port? We were told those things couldnt happen and now the rumor is that it will?

      Inquiring minds want to know?

    • Dred says:

      Not exactly but I am all but betting they were the myterious pay partner in the GLF deal. It might never be said but teh last time I checked money did not grow on trees otherwise I would be a farmer like you would not believe.

      But you are correct in that Big Mac is in a bit of a pickle because HE WELL knows who paid the bill for his gross incompetence with GLF. How he manages to wiggle out of this or if he just simply choose to say ITS SIMPLY TOO LATE. I am betting it's probably the only card he has left and the fight for this new proposal and how afr these people are willing to take it will be very interesting.

      If you compound all of this with the backdrop of his potential criminal case. Well scratch that because my bet on that is that it will find the rug. I really can not see our judicial or even our EXTREMELY passive Governor having the "cahones" to go after him the way

  24. Anonymous says:

    its great we have caymanians involved, but its not great that we have to relocate from where it is now….how about we let the CHEC deal run down and have these caymanians take over the current facility and build there?

    • A Centrist says:

      Poster 13-Jan, 10:29 put forward an excellent idea! I hope that the Caymanian Consortium is paying attention.

  25. The Watcher says:

    22:26, you may have a good point in your proposal, but please for the sake of Cayman stop putting down your own people.  Mr Elio Solomon is a good young man of the soil.  Give him a chance,  He is also young in the LA, he is intelligent, and can make rings around some of them who are ministers.  Even if you do not like him, please do not kill the golden egg he will try to lay.  Talk with him, encourage him, give him new ideas and let him know you have his back.

    I want to see Caymanians, real Caymanians living better in 20 12. I know you can do it.  God bless

  26. My2cents says:

    I have no views on the location, but I am pleased to see it as a partnership between local businessmen and the cruise ship companies themselves. It has been amusing to watch a number of local entities come forward and spout off what is best for the cruise lines, but it is the cruise lines that know what they need and want. Give them what they want and they will come in force. I also like the lack of retail outlets proposed. A little less with the rampant in-your-face commercialism is a nice touch and reminder of how Cayman used to be.

    • Just Me says:

      I wonder what you will be saying if you find out that the "local" businessmen include Mr. Dart? He is 'local',  you know?

    • Anonymous says:

      You obviously don’t know much. The criuselines ARE rampant commercialism! What they want is to control ALL business for their passengers even othat nshore.

    • Anonymous says:

      No one said there was no retail at Pageant Beach….you must know something. All the article said was it was close to George towns retail trying to counter what the kirks and Dart will surely say.

  27. Anonymous says:

    This proposed site would bring the dredged hole to facilitate the berthing of the ships closer to 7 mile beach so the effect of natural sand movement along the beach would be compounded.

    This is a serious issue that needs to be dealt with and not swept under the rug.

  28. kyfan82 says:

    Why are so many people against CHEC? They have experience in building ports (and much larger projects) efficiently and on-time. They have US$5.2 billion worth of contracts lined up in 2012 already. Caymanians need to realize that the crucial thing here is timing. Further delays will only make things worse. Cayman cannot afford more declines in cruise ship arrivals.

    CHEC has a proven track record of completing ambitous projects on time.

    As long as the government representatives are negotiating firmly (requiring construction and post-construction jobs for QUALIFIED Caymanians, etc.) yet in good faith, Cayman will benefit from a deal with CHEC.




    • noname says:

      DUH? Maybe because they are Communist and the fact that is was proven that they were involved  in bribery?!

    • Anonymous says:

      Until the Goverment comes forth with what they are proposing no one will support downtown. What about the environmental report? Can you really convince me that Ellio can “negotiate” a $300m contract for us….and certainly not with the Chinese. Downtown and CHEC are absurd.

      What I see happening is that when Ellio’s smoke and mirror negotiated proposal arrives it will hit a “value for money” wall. It will not stand up to scrutinity. We even know what the KPNG report will say now….good project good contractor good value- just watch.

  29. GR says:

    Why not put the cargo dock at Pageant Beach as cargo could route straight down Eastern Avenue or to the Bypass and modify the current cargo dock into the cruise ship dock?

    Wasn't this Atlantic Star's plan?

  30. Anonymous says:

    Finally something actually MADE IN CAYMAN!

  31. Anonymous says:

    It's not fair to the tourists to be stuffing them together in shuttles.  Add a monorail into town so we can finally have some modernised touches to this rock.  It'll be like the Jetsons, only Caymanian.

  32. Anonymous says:

    Lets look at the Port Staff and find out what their input is on this. I find that with proper planning and figures we could build this with assistance from local businesses. We could use the stats from the Cruise line/ Airlines/ Hotels/ Businesses and have them assist to better serve the community.

    The Red Bay port location could work year round if engineered right. The roads could easliy be adjusted to divert traffic away from the scenic South South. The Cost would be very low and materials could beused to reclaim land in the area of the Sound by RedBAY School which is undeveloped at this moment. Areial Shots could be taken of the port proposed locations and reviewed to see if they are feesible(e.g. When the Cruise Ship are in port). The Scale of the ships could be placed on these photos to scale and see how this would work. Sacrifices have to be made.

  33. Anonymous says:

    The uniposter is back…   would like to know what the uniposter would like to say to all the invested businesses in George Town to move and risk their bread and butter.  To move the port form George Town to Red Bay is complete lunacy, an evironmental disaster for the marine small park there and Pagent beach is no different.


    The port ALREADY IS in George town always has been, the curuise lines already dock there, the reefs have already been damaged there, why go else where to tear up the place??, to MOVE the port is the REAL RISK.   Its alread sheltered from the prevailing trade winds 95% of the time.

    Its clear no one supports the redbay area (ecept those who stand to profit heaviliy from turning residentai zoning into commercial zoning), and the uniposter simply cannot stand having a successful project under this administration.

  34. Anonymous says:

    What about 2 ports downtown? One downtown, one dog city ?

  35. Anonymous says:

    What about all the great Chinese take out we will miss out on?

  36. Anonymous says:

    This one might work, its also close enough to consider adding a tram system from Pageant Beach into Town, I know nice idea but how much would it cost, but then again how much is it going to cost to build more roads?

    • Anonymous says:

      And you think you can put 20,000 passengers at KFC on north church street without building more roads? And these roads are on expensive land not like Red Bay.

  37. Anonymous says:

    Need a media campaign started 'Sea Captains for Pageant Beach'

    • Anonymous says:

      Spoke to two captains yesterday, they would not support this. Still subject to northwesters and breakwater is huge out there in 90 feet of water…very, very expensive to build.

  38. Red Flag says:

    I, for one, still do not see the REAL NEED for a cruiseship berthing facility.  The Florida Cruise Ass. has been flogging this for the Caymans for a long time but the ships keep coming.  All this "the sky is falling" bs if we do not build a dock is a figment of their and the government's imagination.  I think what we really need to do is separate the cruise landing facilities from the container port and provide good shade and staging areas for the tenders.  Get the cruise people out of that greasy, dirty port area and make a much nicer disembarking area with shade and over head protection from the rain.  Building a good tender landing area with plenty of room would be much cheaper and ALOT more environmentally friendly than the enormous amount of dredging that will be required for an alongside berth.  And how about some permanent moorings for these ships to tie up to instead of always having to drop their anchors?

  39. Anonymous says:

    SHHH!   Hush people, don't you know all these alternatives coming out of the woodwork i.e. Red Bay, Pageant, will upset the Premier's well-thought out plans for the port to be in G/Tn and the great things he is envisioning for our beloved isles?  Our dear leader must be having a fit over all this misguided interference from people who think they know better than he does!  

  40. Anonymous says:

    Seems like this message board is full of trolls. Who is behind this? It was bought by Olde 20 years ago. Why not put shops? Why is this any better than the Red Bay dock if we are so worried about shuttling tourist. Would tourist not be wondering aimlessly down to dog city?

    • Anonymous says:

      They would be heading to dog city where I am sure they will be shown some Caymankindness.

  41. Anonymous says:

    What's all the excitement about?  The Chinese contract most likely has lots of $$$ floating around for everyone – unless this one does as well, kiss this idea bye!

  42. Anonymous says:

    Im for anything but building Cayman's own ChinaTown….The whole development they want will put all the other stores out of Business…

  43. Old sea Crab says:

    Just another fool fool idea and what about the sediment drift down from this proposed dock. Boy have some of you pea brains forget the trouble we had a few years ago by the Marriott hotel which got so bad that they had to install reef balls to stop the stripping away of the beach because of their sea wall. Mannnn you can hear some foolishness!

  44. Anonymous says:

    Red Bay or Pageant Beach. Anything but the chinese!!

  45. Anonymous says:

    Has an EIA been done? Its not a bad location at all.

  46. noname says:

    How far from the shore is the drop off by pageant beach?? It could work it the dock could extend over the drop off giving the depth needed for the ship to dock up against.

  47. anonymous says:

    Lets go Cayman Contractors!!  Dont settle for scraps from CHEC.

    You have ability to build either Pageant Beach or Red Bay.  Dont stop now.

    Your project will leave alot more money in Cayman than that silly Downtown one that Ellio/UDP is now proposing.

  48. Anonymous says:

    Well I am glad that the Red Bay proposal has started us really thinking of where this thing should go instead of just sticking it in george town and creating chaos.

    My initial thoughts of Pageant beach is that the breakwater along the drop off out there would be huge/very expensive and the dredging inside of it all the way down to town would probably be greater that in Red Bay. But it does get rid of some of the pending traffic nightmare downtown. Unfortunately there is no option to add more road lanes there so I am not convinced of that location yet- just two small traffic lanes, the infamous KFC choke point, in front with double the passengers.

    Lets see it…it will certainly be better than George Town centre where Ellio is making a huge mistake!!!


    • Anonymous says:

      You right! Traffic would be a worse nightmare! At least I don't live in West Bay…if the dock goes there you never gonna see me there ever again either

  49. Blair says:

    Welcoming news to hear. I have my reservations about the chinese. We have more then enough wealthy Caymanians that can do this and with the right expertise brought in can guide our local contractors to build a beautiful port. We do not need some group from a communist country halfway across the world coming over taking up jobs Caymanians can take up and also owning something so vital to our economy for 49 years.

  50. Truth says:

    Perfect location!!! Close to town.. They are ensuring we keep our people employed in the retail stores already established and its Caymanian owned. Jobs for the people is welcome news. Why did they not come sooner?

    • Anonymous says:

      Close to town. Are you kidding? But it is the perfect place for lots of new retail. Who owns all that land there. Maybe just another greedy developer. Just watch now who buys up all of dog city.

  51. Anonymous says:

    Finally we get some Caymanians with the interest of the country willing to offer an alternative instead of this foolish plan with the chinese!!!

  52. Anonymous says:

    Omg this is awesome news. My father once told me about pageant beach as a good location for a port facility. He was a sea captain himself.

    • anonymous says:

      Traffic, Traffic, Traffc, Dredging, Dredging, Dredging, Big seawall, big seawall, really big seawall……and of course SEVEN MILE BEACHonly a few feet away.

      Cannot wait for the EIA on this one. And I thought the Red Bay solution was far out but we definately cannot risk our 7-mile beach for nothing.

      • biker says:

        SEVEN MILE BEACH is over a mile north (Marriott is approx. 7,500 ft.), not a "few feet away" from Pageant Beach.

  53. Anonymous says:

    So Red Bay is not in the capital? The captains proposal makes more sense than this.

  54. Anonymous says:

    I must say it’s about time someone local stepped up, this definitely sound better the ChinaTown Idea CHEC has on the plate. All that’s needed is a way for the ships to Dock not all the upland development anyway. I really wanted to see this done locally. But I am tired of all the talk I want to see some action. I really hope this isn’t just more BS.

    • anonymous says:

      You guys have to come to terms with this concept…the "upland" rents pay for the piers. simple.

      Unless the government can borrow money to just do it( and they can't), the project will involve 'uplands' rentals. This rental space cannot fit on pageant beach without reclaiming in the sea however that is still better than in Hog sty bay. Either location, Downtown or Pageant beach will kill the Kirks however unfortunately.

  55. Anonymous says:

    Well this is interesting and so far the best option for a dock I have come across, but more details are needed. Do Cayanians like good ideas?

    • anonymous says:

      We really don't like good ideas obviously…we are still trying to build this in George Town and both Red Bay or even Pageant Beach with its traffic and environmental limitations are better ideas clearly.

  56. Caymanian Boat Captain says:

    The water is much shallower in this area than in the George Town Port. To construct a cruise berthing facility at "Pagent Beach" it would be a much greater "negative impact" on the environment in terms of dredging and blasting with explosives for deeper water etc… 

    Does anybody remember the cruise ship in the early 80's called Rapsody ?? In fact, a local alcoholic drink was created and named "Rapsody on the Rocks" for her grounding off Pagent Beach, which lasted for about two months. Her eventual removal despite several tug boats breaking large steel cables, was only accomplished after divers used controlled explosives to free her from the sea bed.  


    • Anonymous says:

      I have to disagree with you. Did you see the ships this week anchored right in front of Pageant Beach? You could have reached out and touched it. I suggest an EIA be done to investigate this.

      • Anonymous says:

        Ships are huge…they look close but they were quite a bit off.  Just go to Cayman kai and look across- they are even big from there.  If you are doing "all weather' you have to bring them a lot closer in, fact right up to shore. Seven mile beach impact is the big thing there. mandatory EIA there not this fake one we keep hearing about being passed around like a hot potato.  Like that people are beginning to think however. Finally.

    • Anonymous says:

      If you had nothing to complain about or try to tear apart, what would you do all day?

      Ok. i will accept your reasons for not going forward at Pagent Beach, now let's try something weird and wonderful here. 

      You are obviously an expert in your own estimation, let's get a solution from you that is sensible and acceptable to all!!!!!