Drive by shooting on Brac
(CNS): Two teenagers have been arrested following a drive by shooting incident on Cayman Brac which occurred earlier today, Tuesday 16 March 2010. Police said that at around 4.30 pm this afternoon a man was walking in West End Road West in Cayman Brac when he was shot at from a passing car. The man wasn’t injured as a result of the incident. Following a police operation the RCIPS said that two teenage males aged 14 and 17 years have been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder and possession of an unlicensed firearm.
Police confirmed that a car has been seized for forensic examination and a firearm has been recovered and enquiries are ongoing.
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leave my family alone you stupid idiots mind your own buisness it wasnt a really bb gun we will deal with hte 17 yr old he has been threw enough punishment he has learnt his lesson
500 hours community service each.
"Hate to break it to you, but
Hate to break it to you, but despite the miles seperating Grand Cayman from Cayman Brac, the Brac is still apart of the Cayman Islands.
And Big Mac is the Cayman Islands dear, beloved, much admired Premier for Brackers as well. Duh."
Well, you nah breaking nothing to me, my dear. You would swear this is the first time people are hearing that Cayman Brac is part of the Cayman Islands. DUH!!!!!!!! But some of us choose not to be part of Grand Cayman; that’s why we still live over here. And Big Mac is no admired Premier to me and I sure as hell don’t need to bow down to him for anything. As far as I’m concerned, he’s to blame for alot that’s going on in these islands and it all started some years ago when he was happy to hand out.
Today’s BB gun is tomorrow’s automatic gun: These two young guys should be punished, this is a very serious offence!!! Plz stop blaming the schools, police and gov, is not their job to raise your kids!
Hear hear!
Nonsense. Your 90% figure is wrong and insulting.
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my apologies, i was off by 1% on one stat and 10% on the other. see below from the compass:
The statistics were obtained from prison officials in response to a Freedom of Information request made by the Caymanian Compass. The information provided by prison officials is categorised, with offences broken down into four categories.
In addition to showing that 89 per cent of those incarcerated for violent crimes are Caymanian, the statistics showed that 80 per cent of the men in Northward Prison for any crime were Caymanian.
Hello??? Arn’t we in the Cayman Islands? We shouldn’t have anyone from another country in our prison as foreign persons should be well behaved in another man’s country! How about that?
And SHAME on Caymanian who finds him/herself in prison outside of Cayman for disrespecting Cayman!
Now what are the stats on the unsolved murders???????? Isn’t that of more interst? Stop the Caymanian and expat bickering and solve the crime!! Who cares where you are from. Killers are running wild and need to be locked up to ensure the safety of the honest Caymanians, residents and visitors alike.
duh!
Although I do agree that Cayman’s crime is getting out of hand some serious investigating needs to be done with this incident. Yes, there might be gangs and at this point none of us know if either of these boys are affiliated with any, but on the other hand at the ages of 14 and 17 most young boys do not think about the danger of certain things before undertaking them. If they were truly being young and irresponsible I am sure some form of punishment other than prison could be meted out. Saying attempted murder is a little premature given that not enough time has lapsed for any type of investigation to be completed. I am not trying to lessen the severity of what they did but we really need to be sure they were shooting the BB gun with the intention of harming someone or just being stupid as some young people can be at times.
that’s the type of thinking that has led to an astronomical increase in crime here and in many other places around the world.
Like its has been said – it starts here folks. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. When are we going to realise that wrong is wrong and that there are consequences for wrong actions. If this was done by anyone other than a Caymanian we would want to be lynching them. Why do we feel that our kids are different and should be treated any different. XXXXXX Whether they are eventually charged with attempted murder is another matter but they were in possession of a firearm and popping off shots at people which is illegal and that in itself is really serious and they need to be punished accordingly.
I wish all you Caymanians would take as much time as you do talking about and putting down each other, and learn to write and spell!
I take it you’re NOT Caymanian???
"…all you Caymaninans…" there always seems to be someone who thinks they can come onto this web page and generalize ALL Caymanians alike.
First of all, Caymanian people are very intelligent. I AM Caymanian, proud to be, I don’t think it’s of any significance which island I reside on because we are all one.
You CANNOT name me one country on this planet which doesn’t have ignorant or illiterate people. For everywhere in the world you go you will find people of all types of race and intellect.
While you are busy criticizing the poor spelling of a few peoples’ comments maybe YOU should address the fact that your grammar and sentence phrasing are both poorly presented as well as contradictory to what you were saying.
People like you are not even worth a reply, but to be honest I am so proud to be Caymanian and I love my people that I will always stand-up for them no matter where I go.
On the matter at hand, these two boys should be dealt with accordingly, and by accordingly I mean they need to be punished as to understand that what they did was absolutely wrong! There is no way to ‘sugar-coat’ what has happened. Yes, we can be grateful that no-one was killed but does it always take someone dieing for people to make the necessary moves for greater change. No-one wants to live in fear. No-one. If the children are the future and this is what they do in their spare time, we have a long road ahead of us people. Let’s eradicate this problem now!
God bless.
I really can’t believe that this is also happening in the Brac! When will these young people learn a lesson?!
Ah! but they did learn something. The lesson learned was: if the juveniles/gang-related or not, in Grand Cayman, can get away with crime, why can’t we? We’re also juveniles, are we not?
These 14 and 17 year olds are not orphans, are they?
So where are the parents?
When their parents are ready and willing to teach them.
what a sensation no! its interesting that such small things like a BB gun drive-by shooting like this grows to be something terrible. i am familiar with both youths. the 17year old is in my class and the other not. it just makes our class look bad because its already known as the worst class in the senior group and its very hurtful. this 12 year old one has already been in enough trouble for the week gone and this week…..they have to realize that its enough joking around! time to be serious!
I’m a "bracker" if I may still so call myself. But, I do not support the actions of these kids and think they should be held accountable accordingly with the law of our Islands. Just because it happened in the Brac makes it no different if it had happened in GCayman. Being judged on the ratio of crime on the Brac vs. G.Cayman is like prosecuting crimes on levels of stupidity. Its a sad, but it is what it is… Dont make ignorance cloud your minds my fellow brackers, dont wait for another BB gun incident to kill someone before it is taking seriously.
Meantime, pray for the kids involved and hope for a favourable outcome and hope they learn from this incident and realize the consequences of their actions.
Stay Bless.
The bahaviour displayed was rude n obnoxious but lets nt convince them that they are criminals n make things worse… yes boys will be boys, doing every stupid thing just for the fun of it and adrenaline rush… They had a spring powered bb gun dat was black but still had da orange tip at least from what i heard… It was not any air powered gun dat would put a hole in you, it wouldnt even scratch you…. N convincing dem dat dey tryed attempted murder make things worse n mess with their minds and sendind them to jail with hardcore criminals will only turn these lil boys into the same thing n den they will come bak n teach the younger uths the same thing…. If they go into prison they are goin in as students to these criminals n will come out teachers to pass on the word to other uths wen dey get out…
Schools isn’t the fault it’s parents who think their darlings can do no wrong. If you will read above which was written by one of their peers, it’s obvious these children need a strong hand and if parents don’t do their job, the law will.
What a great post! Very sensible and level headed. The headlines were definitely over-sensationlized but that’s what makes NEWS attractive.
These two boys need counselling; it needs to be determined whether they shot at a person; are they mature enough to be driving – I would say not.
Whatever happened to all the great ideas that had been put forward about the gradual licensing system?
It would be a grave mistake for them to be forced into criminality by inducting them into the halls of Northward prison.
Consumer Product Safety Commission
BB Guns Can KILL . CPSC Document #5089
Many people do not realize that BB guns, especially high-velocity guns, can cause death. BB’s are just one-seventh the weight of a .22-caliber bullet, but "anything" shot at a speed exceeding 100 feet per second can penetrate skin.
The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission reports an average of four deaths per year caused by BB guns or pellet rifles ("BB Guns Can Kill," ) The deaths and injuries from what many people call "toy guns" are almost always preventable.
In The U.S the number of BB or pellet gun related deaths, and rates for persons aged 19 years and younger, from 1993–99 are: 4702 people. YES you read that right: I said 4702 people. So anyone who suggest that BB guns can’t kill a person, best think again. Please feel FREE to google anything I just posted.
I personally think these two youths on the Brac should get just what the law has given them, TO the Fullest extent of the LAW. Get these want-a-be gangs off our streets NOW. It will show the rest of our Brac, and G/C youths "THAT WE mean business".
The bb gun was not a dangerous gun. It could not penetrate the skin because it was not a air powered one n it didnt have a suffecient spring… Yes they were wrong for driving around shooting at people but to say attempted murder wen i myself have had dealings with bb guns n shot them point blank range at my arms, feet n hand and left nothing but a little mark n the pain was that of a mosquito bite they could not have possibly killed or evn put a mark on this man… I rubberband n paperclip could do more damage n actually put a hole in you
Really? Who are you kidding? All guns are dangerous. These young men pointed a gun, and shot that gun at a man’ what does it matter that it was a BB gun or not? BB guns are not toys. BB guns have killed thousands of people in this world, as I have stated above. BB guns are against the law in the Cayman Islands. These young men broke the law by having this type of gun here in the Cayman Islands.
If these young guys can get their hands on a BB gun and somehow get it here on the Brac, what other types of guns can they bring here in the future? IF WE DON’T TEACH THESE YOUNG GUYS A LESSON NOW’ anyone of us could be in danger in the near future. The law here in the Cayman Islands stated Attempted Murder, only because BB guns have killed people. I say the law here on the Brac are doing their job very well.
Young men have gone to jail for possession of a BB gun on GC.
Also a BB gun is consider a Firearm under the Cayman Islands Penal Code Law, it is listed as an "air gun" or "air pistal" soooo…. it’s illegal to have one without a gun license.
For all of the idiots who do not think that shooting at someone with a BB gun is dangerous, here is a story from just 2 days ago in which a 16 year old KILLED an 11 year old with a BB gun.
http://nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20100315/NEWS0103/3160355/Boy-16-kills-nephew-with-BB-gun
Undoubtedly there will be some who will still excuse this behaviour as afterall, no one was actually killed this time.
I say well done to the Brac police. Make an example of those guilty of such an offence and send a clear message that we will not tolerate criminal activity on the Brac or anywhere else in the Cayman Islands.
I am one Caymanian that is totally fed-up with those who try to play down the activities of wannabe gangstas.
I think everyone needs to understand the difference between "arrested on SUSPICION" and "Formally Charged".
These "yutes" have only been arrested…they have not been Charged…The decision onwhat to charge them with will have to come from the Legal Department, NOT the RCIPS…
Uh, sorry Rorschach, but according to McKeeva Bush that’s enough. If you are arrested, you’re a criminal and should have no right to a lawyer.
Welcome to the Cayman Islands.
To the person 8:35 "WOW Bracas"
Just let me say something to you on this bright Wednesday morning from GT, Grand Cayman. First of all, Cayman Brac is no different from Grand Cayman or Little Cayman. These kids were wrong and I think they should be charge. However, you dont hear about tourist being rob or brackers jumping out the bush after sailors, so keep your smart @ss comments to yourself. Yes I am a Bracker and proud to be one. Instead of you posting some silly comment about you glad to see it happening, you should be encouraging these young people to do better, but obviously you dont have no kids. Grow up i say! Secondly, learn how to spell "BRACKER"! Its people like you who need a good Tamarind switch @ssing.
Now I will sit and sip a cold one while you answer me!
Not a hater, but how does one think that more serious crimes gain entry into a Paradise? It starts with a little apple-like BB gun incident and it one day blossoms into a full-fledged semi-automatic shoot out.
Learn how to spell "Bracker"? Perhaps you should learn how to spell, period!
@ Johnny Cake (Wed, 03/17/2010 – 03:16)
Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking the time to outline these cases from the home nations of many in our "expat" community!
Interestingly however, the ratio of Up to Down thumbs to your posting simply exposes both the agenda and ignorance of many of the CNS readership.
Many expats take glee in lashing modern Caymanian society – while many Caymanians actually feel that they are deserving of said lashing for so many of us are under the false impression that what is taking place in our country today is a unique dilemma.
No my friends, what is happening here is nothing but the importation and or copycat approach of what has been allowed and cultivated within the borders of the Western "super-nations"; UK, USA, Canada, Europe!
Personally, I have lived in and traveled throughout many of those countries and I am YET to witness such reprehensible acts as I have on my travels. (E.g. A gang of 15 year old "quintessentially" British kids physically assault (beat to the point of bleeding) an old man on a London Southwest Train for his simple request for them to refrain from disturbing the rest of the onboard passengers.)
In any event the UK scored dead last on the 2007 UNICEF report on the Welfare of Children of Industrialized Nations – so who are they to talk!?
It amazes me that the country with the highest concentration of principally educated ("Oxbridge" anyone?) individuals have managed to utterly fail in such a fantastic fashion!
This further speaks to the GREAT DIVIDE between the official outward projection of British society versus the on-the-ground reality. The electorate is so frighteningly out of touch with the issues in that country that it boggles the mind – the same can be said for the most of Western Europe as well!
Now, this is no way excuses our responsibility of being better parents etc. – thisis obviously priority #1 for all people of all countries the world over today. However, for so many individuals to take pleasure from what is happening here is downright hypocritical and malicious.
Lastly, moving forward we Caymanians really need to be cautious as to how eagerly we bestow respect or submission to the advice, guidance or policies directed our way via said countries. Their societies appear to be crumbling down all around them – our continual support of their mindset will simply result in the very same plight upon us.
(I would like to take this opportunity to point all readers to the Viewpoint section of the website and encourage all to read Wendy Ledger’s posting entitled "Individualism over collectivism".)
Correction:
"The electorate is so frighteningly out of touch with the issues in that country that it boggles the mind…"
"electorate" was meant to be "leadership"
A minor mistake however I believe it has the potential to completely throw the reader off-track.
Anyway – in a nutshell, all that is happening in Cayman today is that we are now becoming like ever other metropolis that has adopted the the mainstream set of priorities within this western world.
Many came here to escape there – we are becoming like there – now they chastise us for doing so.
Lol!
This is one crazy world.
Ah boy, some lil clowns gone and done some foolishness now and gah start all of you Brac bashers this morning. But what is it that we should feel so ahshamed about? I’m quite sure the gun probably came from Grand Cayman in one of those KFC buckets or pizza boxes. However, we are proud to rant and rave about our island and because there are miles separating us that is why we are one as BRACKERS over here in our own little paradise. We are not going to let one little BB gun incident spoil our determination to deter crime on this island so go ahead and jump on the band wagon today with all of your negative comments because it’s quite obvious ignorant people like you were waiting on something like this to give Brackers hell, as usual. Anyhoooo, you all got more to worry about now. Big Mac got all unna going with his plans for the future.
Hate to break it to you, but despite the miles seperating Grand Cayman from Cayman Brac, the Brac is still apart of the Cayman Islands.
And Big Mac is the Cayman Islands dear, beloved, much admired Premier for Brackers as well. Duh.
Well done Brac Police – nip it in the bud before it grows to the scale we now have in Grand Cayman. Brac police need to be comended on their results.
*A firearm is a device which projects either single or multiple projectiles at high velocity through a controlled explosion. The firing is achieved by the gases produced through rapid, confined burning of a propellant. This process of rapid burning is technically known as deflagration*. ……so tell me why are these young teens being charged with possesion and use of a illegal and unlicenced firearm, while this projectile weapondry was and is NOT classified as a firearm, everyone who is not taking this serious these boys could have a sentence that will toll them for the rest of there lives and us the community can help it so don’t jus sit back n listen to the talk (join the cause)
A firearm is defined under the Firearms law as any lethal barelled weapon from which a shot ,bullet, or other missle or from which noxious fluid can be emitted. It include any component part of such firearm, So any part of a firearm, is a firearm,be it the barell , the silencer, the trigger, the bullet etc.
An imitation is defined as any thing which has the look of a firearm. so even a toy gun or something cut out of wood and shaped like a firearm can get one a charge under the firearms law. So if you used it and threaten or shoot at a person you can be charged under the law just the same
Yeas sure lets support some young criminals and make sure they turn to more serious crimes.
It is the idiotic nature of some of Cayman’s people that hurt the islands so bad. Turning a blind eye to crime does not make it go away. sweeping minor crimes under the carpet is a sure way to ensure the offenders move on to more serious crimes.
These kids think it is cool to play with guns. Ok it was a BB gun or whatever, but they still acted out a drive-by shooting which they thought was cool. They probably scared the life out of the victim by pointing a weapon and opening fire. Surely if we let them get away with it this time they will up the stakes and be playing with real guns very soon.
The punishment must be severe and must be an extended jail term, preferably in an overseas adult prison. A few years of being everybody’s special friend in a Kingston or Cuban prison would make sure they don’t move on to more serious crimes and is a real deterrant to other kids that think it is cool to act like gangsters.
If the parents had disciplined their kids in the first place we would not have a generation of Caymanian gangsters running around murdering, raping, robbing and kiddie fiddling. By turning a blind eye to minor crimes and misdemeanors, the signal has been sent to these kids that crime is ok and there is no risk of punishment.
If we are to stop the current crimewave, we need to come down on the thugs and the wannabe thugs hard. Make sure the next generation know that the criminal lifestyle is not as glamorous as it has been up to now.
This may help to explain why they were arrested.
In my opinion they indeed should have been arrested and should be vigoursly prosecuted and should be severely punished. This is not joke and firearms of any kind are not toys!
While your definition of firearm may be a dictionary definition, it is not correct according to Cayman Islands law. It is the law and not a dictionary definition which applies in this case.
Regarding what is considered a firearm, here is a quote from the advisory published by the RCIPS, entitled "Firearms License Policy for the Cayman Islands":
"The Firearms Law 2008 Revision says "firearm" means artillery, machine gun, sub-machine gun, rifle, shot gun, pistol, air gun, air pistol or any lethal barreled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged or noxious fumes can be emitted except any air rifle, air gun or air pistol of a type prescribed by the Governor and of a caliber so prescribed, and includes any component part of any such weapon and such accessory to any such weapon designed or adapted to diminish the noise or flash caused by firing the weapon, and includes any ammunition capable of being used in any firearm and any reloader which is capable of or designed for the reloading of shotgun cartridges or any other type of ammunition".
"As of 1st March 2009 the Governor has not made any such Regulations referred to and as such all air weapons are covered by the firearms legislation except for spring guns."
So, it seems that unless the "gun" in question was just a spring-powered one, if it is capable of firing a projectile and is powered by any form of air or gas discharge, it IS considered a "firearm" in the CaymanIslands!
A well-known professional here in the islands was arrested some years back for importing a paint gun, which is considered a firearm under the law. It was a horrific expereince for the poor man who thought he was importing a toy as even some toy stores un the USA stock paint guns. I disagreed with the arrest at the time because I considered defining a paint gun as a lethal weapon was a bit much, but the law is the law.
Moreover, the law seems to imply that all such weapons may be considered "lethal" weapons! And deservedly so in the case of BB and pellet guns as many deaths and serious injuries have been attributed to BB and pellet guns. So please do not be misled, they are and can be lethal weapons if used irresponsibly!
I grew up with guns in the house. By age 10 I had real guns of my own, used for hunting and target practise under the supervision of my father. From an early age I was taught respect for and responsible use of such weapons.
Shooting at someone is serious stuff! I strongly believe that those using a firearm of any type in any irresponsible manner whatsoever should be prosecuted and punished to the absolute fullest extent of the law. If those in question are minors then their parents should also be prosecuted.
Thanks for taking the time to write such a constructive post.
Firstly, the Firearms Law say: ““imitation firearm” means anything which has the appearance of being a firearm, whether or not it is capable of discharging any shot, bullet or other missile"
Secondly, the public should be mindful of the fact that the simple possession of a “toy gun” (imitation firearm) is not a crime. However, the possession of a “toy gun” during the commission of a crime is also a crime itself. Section 18(6) says: “Whoever has with him a firearm or imitation firearm with intent to commit an offence, to resist arrest or to prevent the arrest of another person, in either case while he has the firearm or imitation firearm with him, is guilty of an offence and, subject to section 39, is liable on conviction to a fine of one hundred thousand dollars and to imprisonment for twenty years.”
Thirdly, parents of a child accused of committing a crime should only be punished where it can be proven that the parent(s) had knowledge of the child’s criminal activities, but failed to report the crimes to the RCIPS.
I agree with you otherwise.
Even before I had children I was a firm proponent of prosecuting parents of law-breaking children. I am not saying they should all be given jail tems or other draconian punishments, however they raised the scofflaw and they should be held responsible in some way for his/her actions.
I agree that if it can be proven the parent knew about or encouraged the criminal activity they should be dealt with harshly. However, to me the fact that a parent is clueless about a child’s bad behaviour also indicates some degree of parental deficiency and culpability.
I would not absolve any parent absolutely if their child is a criminal. They should at least be prosecuted and made to do community service. The potential for prosecution and punishment would make ALL parents serious stakeholders in the prevention of crime.
I would wager that if parents were held culpable, in some meaningful way, for crimes committed by their children then more parents would certainly be more diligent in where their children go, who they associate with and what they are doing.
LOL! You mean to tell me, una couldn’t come up with a better headline than this? Sus’ christ!!
What a headline!! seriously people come on, I not taking up for the foolish kids that did what they did but "Drive by shooting" "Attempted Murder" LMAO una would do anything to bring da brac down eh…
it’s appearant that youare not smart enough to see the seriousness of what the two boys done.
#1 what were they thinking.
#2 if we the people don’t put a stop or take this serious, we will end up like Grand Cayman
#3 what the hell these parents are doing?
#4 this not the last time we will hear from a young man that act out like this
look at it this way ok "it was a plan" two boys took a gun, drove around until they found a man walking the street alone, decides to do a drive by shooting. now do you see the criminal aspect of what happened, now imagine if they got their hands on a "real" gun.
Wake up People!
It always start small then grows to a bigger and better crimes in the future.
Stop it now and we wont have to deal with it in the future.
Well… come to Grand Cayman and have a walk down the street downtown one night… It’s this same ignorance that caused GC to spiral into the mess it’s in now. So continue to defend your felons in the making… try reading the other headlines. The headlines here weren’t always that way.
…and when they pull a real gun on someone (XXXXXX), you’ll be saying how it’s the parents fault though your whole community has received an advance warning.
They won’t blame the parents, they will blame everybody else. God forbid any Caymanian laying the blame for their own self inflicted problems on themselves or their countrymen. Firstly it’ll be all the bad people in Grand Cayman, but ultimately it’ll be the foreigners they blame.
The fact is that they shot at alot more people who are just not coming forward to say so. Luckily the person that did call did not get injured and had the balls to make the call.
The bracas (in this case) need to stop making excuses for the illegal behaviour of these kids "its just a bb gun". Its an illegal firearm that could do alot of damage full stop. Furthermore, what kind of human being would just drive around the island shooting at people from a car. This is how it starts folks and it needs to be "nipped in the bud" NOW.
LOL! WOW..attempted murder huh? Jeez..i know it was a really stupid thing to dobut no need to make it sound like that! i personally know both the boys && i know they idle but to "attempt murder" thats justridiculous! XXXXXX tsk tsk smh! Anyways, those two boys deserve the consequences they’re facing but to ruin their reputation the way you all did about "attempted murder" is just WRONG;;*
You are truly a very stupid person and should not be blogging about anything!
Your statement has too many holes to make any sense..and I mean any sense at all! The youths themselves in committing this act of violence and stupidity has drawn their own course. I too am a young man with tendencies to act out in certain ways, but commonsense and parent guiding seemed to work a little more in my favour than these two XXXXX.
Plainly and simple, in the words of Forrest Gump…"Stupid is, Stupid does!".
Until some sort of commonsense and civility can be knocked into these "posers"or "wannabe’s"heads, acts like these will continue.
Put a stop to it now! Well done RCIPS, your works have been great and we the civil people of the islands applaud you!
WOW ‘Bracas must feel so ashamed….. After all they rant and rave about The Brac being safer than Grand Cayman….
Well I’m glad they see now we are all one society no matter how many miles seperate us….
You just HAD to go there didn’t you!? Oh I take it, you’re just one of those bitter people that just can’t let it go!Just have to rub it in your face every opportunity you get right! Pathetic!
Well yes, I have to admit, as a proud Bracker, I am very ashamed of those individuals that give us Brackers a bad name! It’s really a shame when you have a few individuals that really ruin it for everyone else. But he’s off the streets now and hopefully we won’t have such a stupid act as this happen any time soon again! Thank God nothing serious happened! Because I don’t think he would have found his actions very funny today, if he had caused serious harm or killed the other person he attacked. Hopefully he will learn a valuable lesson from his actions and never do something so irresponsible and senseless again.
I’m praying for my Brackers! That we will not be influenced by all the bad that’s around us. And continue to live peacefully as we have for so many years. Brackers don’t go down this road! Cayman Brac is a wonderful beautiful place. Let’s NOT ruin it and give these negative people who just look for any opportunity to run us into the ground, anymore opportunities to do so!
LET’S NOT BE FOLLOWERS! LET’S BE LEADERS!!
Live better, love better and let’s not loose what we are trying so desperately to hold on to.
we are not ashamed of anything, we are way safer than Grand Cayman. Yes it is a severe situation, but it was just a bb gun. We can leave our front doors open and leave our cars unlocked and go out without the fear of being shot or burglarized.
My point being, The Brac is Safer than Grand Cayman anyday!
I am not ashamed. To the contrary, I think we Brackers can still be content regarding the safety of the island and the efficiency of the police service here. This was a severe misjudgement on the part of youths and thankfully did not result in serious injury. No one was murdered, had their home broken into while sleeping, kidnapped, robbed, beaten or raped. You know, the common everyday stuff in Grand Cayman. If your warped idea of "one society" is sharing in the violence, I want no part of your very sick "society", thank you!
However, the future security of the Brac is just the very reason these youth deserve prosecution and if found guilty deserve punishment.
at least there isn’t a murder or a kidnapping every day on Cayman Brac !!!!!!!!! (just some food for thought)
Just goes to show how strong the wanna-be gansta culture is. It is a sad pathetic joke that these Brac kids look towards that kind of culture for their "heros".
Makes me wonder what kind of parents they had and what kind of upbringing they had. What values did their parents instill into them? If any?
Youare correct, parents have a major role to play, these boys are out of control. I’ll bet that the Police will get hell for this arrest, good job RCIP!
A BB Gun Hahahahahahahaha Wow! talk about a Drama king some people will do just about anything to grab the headlines sorry to disappoint you morbid folks in Gaza sorry people no Crimewave in di Brac. Just some unscrupulous individuals trying to get attention for doing what they should be doing.I wonder if they understand the tremendous damage these types of headlines do to Sister Islands tourism product.Could someone please buy DEM a cool Heineken and some of that world famous jerk chicken from Bussie’s. Get a hold yourself Man.
You must try to understand that due to the three murders that have already happened in GC this year, we are all very nervous about youths with "guns" — and rightly so.
I have to think that more drinking may not be the right answer for everything
To Da Bracstter: This sounds like the ramblings of a stupid person. Perhaps it would be better if you quietly observe from the sidelines and leave the discussions to people who actually have something intelligent and constructive to say. It really is irritating to scroll through so many dumb postings to get to the worthy postings.
Do not take this as just kids being foolish! It does not make any differance if it s a BB gun or a 38 or 45 it is still a GUN. Any person who would pick up a gun,BB or not, and fire it at someone has a big problem. I am taking this that the 17 was driving and the 14 did the shooting. Both must of planned this and both should be held repsonsible for it. These kids need some serious punishment or who knows what their future might be. If the parents do not taken this seriuosly then this makes them quilty as well as the kids. The BB gun could of hit this man in the eye and then what?? Did these kids even think of what damage they could of done with a BB gun. What would make them want to do this??
Regardless of the answers for these questions these kids need to be charged. Foolish act or not it is still a crime. I totally agree with setting an example. Maybe other kids will think before being stupid. The Brac is a wonderful place so lets not destroy it by letting this get out of control!!!!
It starts with BB guns and grow from there. Teach your kids right from the start. Today’s BB gun is tomorrow’s automatic gun.
Ya gotta love the high intelligence, of the cayman criminal mind!
It’s not the type of weapon that counts, it’s the manner in which is was used. You don’t shoot projectiles at strangers as you drive by them in a car. It’s a simple as that.
Here’s what a BB pistol looks like. It employs a 12 gram carbon-dioxide cannister to propel 4.5mm diameter lead shot (birshot) at up to 150m per second, which can be very dangerous if improperly used — as it was in this case.
Brac = Grand Cayman now
A 12-year-old boy has been charged with second-degree murder in connection to the death of a 14-year-old girl in northern Manitoba, RCMP said late Tuesday.
Police said Marilyn Alicia Agnes Munroe died on Monday of a stab wound she suffered at a home in the community of Oxford House First Nation, located about 950 kilometres northeast of Winnipeg.
Canada Folks!
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Children as young as 12 are being diagnosed as alcoholics amid growing concerns about binge-drinking in Britain, an investigation by The Independent on Sunday reveals today.
Record numbers of pre-teens and teenagers now require hospital treatment for drink-related disorders, the exclusive nationwide survey shows.
Britain Folks!
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A 16-year-old boy is being questioned by police after the 12-year-old girl shot in the head at a house in Manchester yesterday died in hospital.
The youth was arrested on suspicion of attempted murder and remains in police custody.
Britain Folks!
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Four children have been questioned by police over the sickening slaughter of more than 100 pet birds and animals.
Geese, ducks, chickens, ferrets and goats were battered to death in the horrific attack. Hens had been struck with such force their wings had been ripped off and their bodies were hurled into undergrowth. Blood-splattered crowbars, a claw hammer, rake and hoe – used with such force it had bent – were found at the pets’ allotment home.
Britain Folks
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Dealing with violent death changes a person forever. The thought has been in my mind as I’ve followed the court action in the kidnapping, rape, murder and torture of Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian, who were guilty only of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. That there are predators among us, masquerading as ordinary human beings – capable of such hideous acts – came as no surprise to me. I’ve met them before. They resemble us, but they are not like us. The proof is in what they do to other people for their own perverted pleasure – and the lengths to which they go to try to justify their actions. as Davidson, Cobbins, Thomas, and even Coleman took turns raping Christopher prison style for several hours.
Medical Examiners stated that Christopher, barefoot, was then dragged outside the house to nearby railroad tracks where his clothing was doused with gasoline and he was set on fire. Christopher was then shot multiple times in the back, neck, and head. The group left his dead body on the railroad tracks.
With Christopher gone, the group of toilet scum then focused on Channon, who probably could not have anticipated the horrors which she, herself was about to face for the next few days. Yes, days.From the early hours of Sunday morning until Tuesday, Channon was savagely raped and sexually tortured by the group. They took turns raping her vaginally, orally, and anally, assaulting her with foreign objects repeatedly, causing injuries so extensive that they were classified as mutilations by the Medical Examiner.
According to the County Coroner, “Channon suffered extensive injuries in the genital region and mouth, including the tearing of the membrane that connected her lips to her gums.”To add to the degradation, the group then took turns urinating on Channon, probably as she begged for her young life to be spared.
According to court documentation, Channon, at some point was forced to drink bleach while still alive because her assailants wanted to get rid of any DNA evidence that would incriminate them. Channon was then hog tied with strips of curtain and bedding. Her face was tightly covered with a small trash bag and while still alive, her body was shoved into larger trash bags and placed in a trash receptacle inside of the kitchen. According to the Coroner:
“It was a slow asphyxia death….my conclusion was she actually died in the trash can.”
USA Folks
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A 12-year-old boy who has committed more than 30 crimes has become one of the UK’s youngest prisoners when he was given a 10-month custodial term.
Magistrates in Witham, Essex, heard that the youngster, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, had a criminal record which included convictions for assault and aggravated vehicle taking.
Brtain Folks
Okay I have watched and listened very carefully over the last few months about the goings on in my beloved country. I also remained silent, for a number of reasons. Like unna I have been hurt, sad and angry at it all – let me hastingly add, again, it was/is for so many different reasons,
Tonight is where I just need to start to express myself on ONE of the reasons I have been angry. Hence the above clippings.
I am tired and up to my kilt with the pickysome (few) guest workers on here, that jumps up and polk fun and insult caymanians at every angle or twist. They then try to add insult to injury by seeking to make Caymanians believe that we are alone in this boat and what’s worst as a people we will not survive and move beyond these evil acts in our communities. Your sweeping generalizations and insulting remarks about our children, people and country while being masked in your own fears and false loyalty makes me truly even more upset at times.
You filthy rags – and unna know who unna is, let me just state ya now (AGAIN), Caymanians are more than anything you would wish to add or take away from us as a nation of people. Like the rest of the world, we are grappling with voilence – guns and youth related. But we are no less of a people and we too shall move pass it….even when your sorry behind has moved on like unna been threatening to do. Well go then. Your peaceful world (as indicated above) is waiting for you. I do not want to hear one crack about statistically and given the large population you wont experience it. Because we both know….that is hog wash for so many reasons. Crimes in any country affect everyone in that country – I do not care how big it is. In fact I dare add, that’s half the problem there…people with attitudes like unna. Want to have your cake and eat it too. Just do not disturb my lil world or I will fly away. Well you fly away then. Reminds me of the people who left here to escape a hurricane and went to Florida….only to be met by that hurricane and two more after that….and then was stuck in a hotel for days without electricity and the likes.
Now, I will be sharing my thoughts on the gun and youth issues in another posting. But for now, I needed to break my silence by kicking over the trash bins that have been piling up around me and sift through some of mess that has been tossed out ya man.
To my fellow loving Cayman and Caymanians. Hold unna head up…continue to pray earnestly for our Police, leaders and our children. Know that God promised to never leave or forsake those who put their trust in Him. You either believe that or you do not. So even through our fears and anxieties…our heart break, pain and anger at all that ishappening….as a nation of people we are strong and vibarant. Intelligent, innovative, loving and caring is still who we are. We have been given many things/issues recently that has caused us to internally focus and re-focus looking at our core values and the truths we believe. Do not be led to believe that it is all rosey somewhere else and you are thrash and that your country is still not beautiful (inside and out). That is a lie from the pit of hell. Do I entertain living somewhere else or is concerned about these things…of course my sisters and brothers. But after wiping the tears and saying my prayers…I realize we got work to do. The first of that is to shut up these detractors around us. That seek to degrade and rub salt on our wounds. Pick up unna self dust unna self off and lets get busy finding some answers and solutions to the social ills that we are dealing with. I will be providing some later as I said.
Now give me the blue mountain brew ya…I need a strong one…but with lil sugar and cream for me.
Yes there a lot of criminals in the USA and in Britain. I lived in Britain for 20 odd years and nobody ever got shot in my town, which was about 60,000 people. There was maybe one murder in ten years. The odd burglary and petty crime.
Yet in Grand Cayman which has the same population as my small town there are murders every week, drive by shootings, rapes, paedophilia all on an almost daily basis and all within a couple of miles of your home and work. It is totally different when the crime is that much closer to you.
When the government are inviting us foreign workers here to attract investment and tourism and overcome the skills shortage, none of us could dream of the crime problem being so bad. Tourists I spoke to are afraid to go out after dark or travel to many areas, even in the day.
There is less crime in total, because there are only 60,000 people here compared with 60 million in UK or 200 odd million in USa. If you took the numbers from Grand Cayman of per Capita crimes and extrapolated them out to UK or USa levels, we would be looking at one god-forsaken place. Forget Kingston. We’re talking Somalia or Afghanistan here.
And yes I won’t let the plane door hit me on the way home. Once I finish my contract I will be gone. And for the uneducated people who have never left the island, the planes don’t actually have swinging doors! XXXXXX
03:16 – I was stunned to the core after reading this comment. The images were so graphic that I felt physically ill. Every emotion ripped through me from horror, anger and fear to love and faith, understanding….. and finally hope! You dear writer, have an incredible ability to grab the full attention of the reader. I need more than just a coffee and a kick of the garbage can after this!!!! Bless your heart for holding all this inside until it finally had to erupt.
Yes, there is violence everywhere on this earth, just as there is also love and peace and faith in God in every society. Both ex-pats and Caymanians alike want the crime to stop – AND "both" have a bad habit of defending themselves by blaming the other. But this is all one society. We are all God’s children, no matter where we came from – we are here for good reason. Right now we lay our heads here and call this home….whether it is for a life time as a Caymanian or for a short while as an Expat. Yes, we ALL have work to do.
you’re an idiot! simple as that. let me simplify it even more for you… while your house is burning down, the thing NOT to do is to point fingers and tell the world that so and so’s house is also burning down.
The stats are actually far worse for Cayman… They are obscured by the 25,000 law-abiding expats. They are obscured by hundreds and thousands of incidents that are "unreported" or not investigated. Consider this: there are 25,000 Caymanians, at most, on island responsible for 90% of the crimes, particularly the violent ones. That ranksCayman as the most violent nation on this planet.
Nonsense. Your 90% figure is wrong and insulting.
To try and justify the crime in this small country by listing crimes in much larger countries is not only ludicrous but stupid.
Wow. CNS Sensationalism still at work. Talk about a meloframatic reading. Sheesh. if it werent so sad, itd be funny.
how did the attempted murder bit come about?
So it’s not kids shooting from cars thats wrong, but the news service that reports it?
Ok – its time for serious action… Would someone please call Chuck Norris to come round house kick these people.
C’mon Son! It’s the brac, what you going to get away with?
I heard it was a pellet gun actually..
I’m getting afraid now – I don’t want Cayman Brac to turn into a miniature Grand Cayman! Cayman Brac is supposed to be safe, we’re supposed to have a special "aura"! I love it here, I don’t want anything to turn downhill… I hope we can talk some sense in to the kids heads… Hurting people is bad!! We need to come together again…and be a peaceful island like we once were. I want to sleep with my windows open, without thinking someone will break in! It makes me feel really bad to see this happening…Cayman Brac was supposed to the place I would never leave.
Kids playing with a BB gun! Come on, its terrible but if we use to have everything illegal like this that was done in the papers even back in the 80’s (rock throwing at cars, property damage, BB guns e.t.c.) we would probally see a decline on the Brac. Talk about your bad publicity!! The RCIP and media should really try to be less dramatic and more informative (the facts!)
And the excuses begin. Now we wonder why these kids behave the way they do.
I missed out on the 80’s it seems because I don’t remember any kids shooting bb guns at people walking on the road. Shooting birds yes, people no. And they used catapaults.
People dismiss things too easily. We got a ticket. ha ha ha. Next week, drinking and driving, hahaha. car accident hahaha someone dead. We stop laughing for a few months and the cycle begins again.
Tue, 03/16/2010 – 23:45 yours is the type of mentality that has fed crime in Grand Cayman – it is only kids with a BB gun! Well, get to know your laws – BB guns are illegal and these two punks broke the law and were rightly arrested. Furthermore, the ostrich mentality you display which allows one to cover up and not report these types of crimes, whether committed by juveniles or not, is another reason why people have always felt that these islands were crime free. Ask any lawyer who has been practicing here for a long time and they will tell you that it has been a false sense of safety, promulgated by lack of publicity. I am glad to have CNS and the good reporting that they do and I thank them. We have a juvenile court to deal with these little upstarts and I hope that they will be taught a lesson that might prevent them from graduating to more serious crimes and using firearms in the future.
Response to "Kids playing with a BB gun!"!
There is no small sin or big sin. Sin is sin! Whether it was a Magnum 45 or a BB gun it is still a gun. Moreover, just like everything in nature that starts off from conception to birth, to growth, good and evil is the same way. What you are now classifying as innocent little BB gun shooters will be the big shottas a few years from now. They are just practicing their trade to get better at it.
I have a strange feeling that you are related to one or both boys, hence your tirade at the Police.
If you think it is cute when your child takes a dollar from your bag to go buy candies, you will not think its cute when he grows up and starts breaking shops!!
Dramatic?! You’re funny! In case you didn’t know — BB guns are illegal/prohibited in the Cayman Islands (Brac included) and they can be as deadly as any other firearm, whether In the hands of teenagers or not.
I bet if the person shot at had an eye taken out or was hit just right in the temple you might feel differently.
Wake up bracas! The Brac is a part of the Cayman Islands so just accept it and know that your glass house is no cleaner than ours.
Charge them seriously yes! The next step up is a moderated flare gun, then a fiream.
Where are the parents that allowed them to have such a deadly “toy”???
Every incident is to be treated seriously until the crime on these 3 islands stops.
Bloody hell. I thought we had lost one generation – it appears that we are going to suffer a 3 generation loss. You punks make me and your forefathers so sad! Shame on you all for bringing us down in the eyes of the world!
Unbelieveable! I figured it wouldnt be long before the crime would start in Cayman Brac.
14 and 17 – God help us all.
Heartbreaking! At a time when The Cayman Islands are at its worst look at what they teens are doing! Couldn’t they have found something else to occupy their time? Homework maybe? I am assuming the 17 year old was the driver and the 14 year old was the "shooter". What a mess! Just when we thought the Brac was safe, we have to watch out that we don’t get our eyes shot out with BB guns being used by KIDS!
WOW! And I was just thinking of moving to the Brac to get away from this foolishness. My goodness where will I go now?
Little Cayman, then after there ……… maybe 8the moon?
That does it. Definitely time to move now. Cayman Brac was the last hold out.
I heard that this was a BB gun not an actual gun. I’m not sure if those are legal though.
Unfortunately for them, a BB gun is classed as a firearm and is therefore illegal. Regardless of their intention to have some fun, they really messed up!
BB guns are illegal and hence the arrest.
Air guns are not illegal; it is the possession of an air gun without also being in possession of a firearm license that is illegal. <a href="http://www.gazettes.gov.ky/pls/portal30/docs/Folder/SITE83/GAZETTES/GS2008/GS352008.PDF">See Section 15 of the Firearms Law (2008 Revision)</a>
Instead of leaving the Brac, I suggest you think about how you can help repair the society.
Also, there is no difference in the Firearms Law between an unlicensed “BB gun” (air gun) or an unlicensed full-power firearm; they are both defined as “firearms”.
"Instead of leaving the Brac, I suggest you think about how you can help repair the society"
When the schools call the parents and tell them their little darlings are misbehaving, the parents cuss out the teachers. Tell me how do I repair that?
Never count your chickens before they hatch The previous burglary post was filled with bravado and tough talk from the Chief Inspector. When he need to focus on holding down the corners rather than grabbing headlines with reckless phrases. Some people have a lot to learn about the Brac where a inconspicuous response and a strong presence has a more profound effect on the very small criminal element here on the Brac.
It astonishes me how these two young men seem to not take such a matter seriously. I am not aware of all the details surrounding this incident; however, I feel that I am fairly safe in assuming that they took this as some sort of joke. This attitude is unfortunate, but I hope that other Caymanian teens will learn from the mistakes of these two and understand that such matters are not to be taken lightly and that any weapon, no matter how harmless it may seem, is not something to play around with.
" but I hope that other Caymanian teens will learn from the mistakes of these two and understand that such matters are not to be taken lightly and that any weapon, no matter how harmless it may seem, is not something to play around with."
Doubt that. I can hear them now. "It was just a BB gun."
These children are too idle. They need to go fishing 5;00am, sell fish, get readyfor school, go school, do homework, go to bed. No t.v. , nintendo, internet, ps 3 etc.
I agree, the 17 year old is probably in the graduating class of 2010, he should have been home studying for exams!
The End is Near.
WHAT!!???
What the #$@!? OK, we are going to call for Steven Segal…didn’t want to but you made me do it! …
Seriously though, what is going on here? Copy cats? Whatever it is, don’t let things get out of hand…make examples of these.
No. No, no, no.
how many cars in the Brac? How did they expect to hide? SMH. Here we go again
I am from Cayman Brac and I know that everything here is not true. There was no shooting at anyone, so please get the news right before you publish it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CNS: The information was provided by the RICPS.
Sounds like they are into protecting their criminals on the Brac too.
Go ahead teach your kids there are no consequences for their actions, look how thats worked out for Grand Cayman , a bb gun is still a frearm, go online and check into the injuries they can cause, if me and my mates did that sort of cr#p when we were young our parents would have given us a slap and get the cops involved to scare us stupid, there would be letter of appology, commmunity service , groundings (curfews) privligages withdrawn etc,but then we grew up learning responsible firearm safety and care , that there were consequences for our actions, you need to get an education if you want a job,everyone starts at the bottom and has to work their way up (unless your loaded of course), an international employer will hire the most qualified person regardless of sex , creed or colour over a school leaver and that prison is an unpleaseant place.
it must be great to be a kid in these islands , you never get any real punishment and prison has three straight meals a day, cable tv, internet , video games, drugs and not to mention all your relatives.
Yes there is crime in other parts of the world for exactly the same reasons useles parents and zero consequences , but not of this scale per capita, and in thoses countries there are real consequences not the hotel northward if your ever convicted by the judge whos your mothers cousins brother in law.
Hell if Id grown up here id be inside right now playing the latest bio shock game with my mates stoned out of my brains.
Teach your children and adults consequences.
Idiot. Playing dumb and pretending everything is great, won’t make the crime go away. We know this as it hasn’t been working on Grand Cayman despite the efforts of the Caymanians that blame all the problems on foreigners and pretend that the crime wave isn’t happening and even if it was, they try to believe it is not their sons and husbands causing it. They pretend the problems didn’t stem from their loose morals and bad parenting.
What a sad day for these islands. No place is safe. We need Braggs back now!
Humph!!