Man killed in Bodden Town

| 02/10/2010

(CNS): Policehave confirmed that they have launched a murder enquiry this evening (Friday 1 October) following an incident at the Plaza Odessa in Bodden Town. At around 6:20pm emergency services were called to the scene (by Chester’s), where they found a man lying on the ground who had sustained very serious injuries and had lost consciousness. Although medical personnel administered CPR, the man was pronounced dead. Police said that they had no other details at this stage but asked for anyone who was in the area at the time to contact them or Crime Stoppers. Other sources told CNS that the man was involved in a major fight in which it appeared he was the victim of an orchestrated attack and stabbed several times as well as hit over the head. (Photo Dennie Warren Jr)

 People who may be able to assist with the enquiry are asked to contact Bodden Town police station on 947-2220 or the confidential Crime Stoppers number 800-8477 (TIPS).

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  1. Visitors to the Island says:

    Ex-Pat Eric…..did you really tell friends not to come to the Island?  Why would you do that?  Are the crimes that are taking place against visitors?  Please let me know because I am a visitor and if need be will change my plans.  I did not feel threatened in the least bit when I was there in January.  I went to Chesters and didn’t see any activity around it.  Is the Dunkin Donuts new?  Should I be staying away from Bodden Town and GeorgeTown?  Is the EastEnd safe?  What about the North Side?  I am shocked that someone would write something negative.  Maybe us visitors don’t see the news about visitors getting hurt.  Please elaborate if crimes are occurring to tourists or is it just residents of Cayman.  It seems like there is gang activity going on and usually they don’t mess with the tourists.  I do not want to worry about my vacation.  I love the Island but don’t need problems.

    • au revoir says:

      Well, when restaurants, banks, convenience stores and people are starting to get robbed on a daily basis, nobody, residents or tourists are safe any longer.  The gang activity has also spilled into the streets.  Some time ago, a little four year old got killed by a bullet meant for someone else. The little safe Island that you once knew is safe no more.  If I were you, find an all-inclusive resort somewhere else in the Caribbean.

    • Truth B Told says:

      I tell my friends not to waste their money coming to Cayman on vacation, because as a vacation island it is third rate.  No real natural beauty, no history, no culture, overpriced . . . The crime does not come into it.

      • Anonymous says:

        Well pardon my response but that is absolutely rediculous.  Whether you are Caymanian or Expat, that is a stupid thing to say.  Whether you have realized this or not, a large portion of the Cayman economy is based on tourism.  When you focus on the negative and try to turn visitors away with your personal thoughts, you are effecting the driving tourism market.

        Quick Economic Lesson for you:  We need tourism to aid in the Cayman job market.  These jobs support both Caymanian and Expat employee positions.  When there are jobs available, people can earn sufficient income to support their expenditures.  This should also aid with the present crime issue.  When there are increasingly jobs available, more residents have extra disposible income to make increasing purchases such as housing, cars and luxary items, that can be purchased locally.  These funds are retained in Cayman, hence redistributing additional income to businesses and employees alike.  

        So, although you may personally feel that there is no culture or beauty here, you sound bloody spoiled to me.      

        • visitor to the island says:

          I agree with the above post.  You should not want to deter tourists at all.  We bring money to the island and by the looks of it, your Island needs money.  I find it absolutely beautiful on the Island.  I have been to many Caribe Islands and Cayman is by far the best.  I never felt so safe and the beauty around me was breathtaking.  I not once felt uncomfortable.  I also, will not put myself in danger. i do not choose to go to the bars in Georgetown.  i would rather sip a cocktail on the beach right in front of my rental home.  I choose to go to Kaibo where it is not that busy.  I choose to visit Georgetown during the day and I have to say if anyone approached me negatively I would handle it myself.  I will be back to the Island but will travel safely.  I will enjoy spending time with the Caymanians I made friends with on my last visit.  I know they will not cause harm and will warn me where to stay away from.  I do have a question:  is the crime area by Chester’s new?  It was not like that in January.  Since I did try Chesters multiple times in January I want to try other Jerk places.  Recommendations are always welcome! 

          • Cayman Fisting says:

            Woods Jerk is the best I’ve had on the rock….the Woods are great people….as far asthe question regarding the area around the scene of the murder I am frequently in the area when I visit the island and have had no problems (even walking past at 11PM-1AM) playing basketball at the civic center a stones throw away. The majority of Caymanians are wonderful people. There is no bar located within eyesight of the murder scene….clear out the brush next to the liquor store and there would be no one there to start beef with….B-Town is full of history and great people it is inevitable crime would happen in every district….my heartfelt sorrows to those who lost a loved one

    • Anonymous says:

      ExPat Eric holds some truth, however I believe that it is definately still safe for tourists to visit.  Although crime has increased in various areas, it is mostly gang related.  There have been a few incidents of tourists getting mugged, but that is more likely to occur in other Caribbean destinations.  Naturally, there are "good / safe" and "bad / unsafe" areas everywhere, one just needs to be sensible where they venture at night.

      Some may disagree with me, but the police are doing the best that they can do.  Without witneses coming forward with evidence, they cannot convict cirminals.  Witnesses may be fearful, as this is a small island and they would like to protect themselves and families, which leaves the scenerio in a Catch 22.    However, there has been progress made and more folks are speaking.  Rather than bash one another and the police, people should focus on the positive.

      Cayman is a beautiful island for visitors.  As a fellow Expat, I often welcome and recommend my friends and family from abroad to vacation, and they have always had a wonderful experience – despite of what the news headlines may state. 

  2. Anonymous says:

    I knew it was only a matter of time before something would happen at this location becuase of the individuals that hang around. 

    I’m not sure why Dunkin Donuts would have opened in the same plaza as a bar.  The individula sthat hang around there is only going to scare away customers.  No decent person wants to go in areas like this.

    • Anonymous says:

       As much as I like Donuts, I’m afraid to go there because of the creepy individuals that hang around there. I just pass through the area as quickly as possible.

    • The Investgator says:

      16:17  you are absolutely correct about that place Creepy, thats how I would describe it.  When you drive into get a Dunkin Donut there are sinster looking individuals selling drugs and staring at you through the trees.

      The Bodden Town police which is next door, know they are there  loitering day and night and does absolutely nothing about it.  The Commissioner of police is not paying attention to these out station police..  Jack Forbes was on the ground bleeding for one hour before police came.  Not good enough.  Cayman police are always too slow responding to calls.  The RCIP needs to study more and especially find out what is the word  Loitering means and exercise the law.

    • Lucy Wood (Owner) says:

      For the poser Sun, 10/03/2010 – 16:17.

      This plaza is a respectably ran Caymanian business and in a decent location. For clarification, there is not a bar in the plaza but a liquor store that complies with all requirements of the Law..  

      The reality is, bad things can happen ANYWHERE,  and the fact that a tragedy occured should not be used to make others believe that the location was the reason for it. If you as good citizen (and with good intentions) see something that is not right happening in my plaza you should contact us, the owners, and notify us of the issue, and allow us to deal with it,  instead of spreading propoganda on this forum. 

      There are no restriction on the persons who enter any establishment in the Plaza. As you clearly have been there before, what would it say about you if people believed what you are saying about the area.

      My condolences goes out to the family of Jack .

    • Yard Stick says:

      No, STAY AWAY FROM WEST BAY!

      Its the worst.

    • Anon says:

      There is no bar in this plaza and can you tell me where the specific areas are for "decent" people to go since you feel this way about the location? Geez, you people can come up with some crap. I"ve stopped at this liquor store many times and yes, I’ve seen people in the area but, why should I let them stop me from going on my merry way. What they do is their business as long as they don’t bother me so I think it’s wrong of you to speak so bad about the plaza. I know the young couple that owns this plaza and I knowthey’ve worked hard to get where they’re at today so lets not make their lives any more difficult than it’s been for the past few months by casting negative thoughts in the minds of others who may not be familiar with this establishment. As long as the donuts and Guiness are warm I’ll be stopping by anytime!

  3. Anonymous says:

    In response to:

    There is a lot of talk from

    I think your the one that needs to do research!!

    Jack killed Steve ten years ago as self defense… What?? You don’t remember Steve and two others tried to run him over while he rode along Bodden Town road, they in turn mashed up the bicycle and then all three tried to beat him with bats he swung a machete to defend himself THREE AGAINST ONE HE DIDN’T MEAN TO KILL HM…just merely defending himself as any human being would do…..

    Please take note Steve WASN’T BEAT TO DEATH LIKE THAT POOR MAN….. NO ONE DESERVES TO GO LIKE THAT!! NOT EVEN ANIMALS ARE TREATED LIKE THAT NOWADAYS!!

    Both families greive for their loved one; have a conscience Steve wasn’t no better than Jack… We are all flesh and blood Cut from the same cloth….

    Both have lost loved ones but make the truth be known; Jack didn’t mean to kill Steve; Jack’s attackers had to know what they were doing to the poor man!

    To the cruel heartless persons who commited that crime against Jack and to all those persons with negative meaningless remarks please remember:

    Woe to the downpressors:
    They’ll eat the bread of sorrow!
    Woe to the downpressors:
    They’ll eat the bread of sad tomorrow!

     

    • whodatis says:

      Okay!

      Now it all comes together.

      Can’t believe its been 10 years already.

      In any event, this most recent act will simply feed the catalyst of the never ending cycle of violence.

      Fellas, calm it down … please!

      For with every life that you take in Cayman you are also killing another piece of what we need in order to survive in the future.

      The country as a collective (and the future of your children) is far more important than any personal beef that you may have with another man – try to bear this in mind if possible.

      Condolences to the family and friends on both sides.

      • anonymous says:

        yeah, okay, like they’re going to listen to you.  they haven’t listened to their parents, their ministers, their teachers, their brothers and sisters, but they’re going to listen to you.  right.

        • whodatis says:

          I hear you …

          However, the absolute maximum that I am capable of doing at a time and via a medium such as this one is to forward a few words of positivity.

          (Hundreds if not thousands of people are reading this at this very moment.)

          Otherwise I am only clicking and reading.

          A few words of enlightenment and positivity can in no way hurt or worsen the current situation – so why not do so?

          Thank you so much for your keen observation though – you deserve a cookie.

          • au revoir says:

            here’s a suggestion, form a club… call it the kumbaya club and invite all gangstas to come hold hands and chant with you.  it just may occupy them long enough that they stop capping each other.  i hear those tibetan chants work magic. 

            better yet, start your own "positivity" website and spread the word – surely the gangstas are gonnna be reading it; beats dope, coke and cop & bullets dodging.  btw, make that an oreo with a nice glass of chocolate milk.  merci buckets.

            • whodatis says:

              The only thing worthwhile about this last post of yours is that we now know who you are.

              Anyway, I refuse to engage in an immature tit for tat exchange on a website.

              My fellow Caymanians are killing themselves in our streets – so kindly excuse me as I run along to fry my much bigger fish.

              Ciao.

    • Lisa says:

      In response to post  10/3/10 13:50.

      Please get your facts straight before you decide to post.

      Self defense? interesting!!, Jack  served  9 years for manslaughter… not nine years for  self defense. A short time I may add.

      Becareful how you rub against  wounds that are still  weeping.

      No one deserves to die like how Steve(The Bog) and Jack died.

      • The Investgator says:

        ITS A CURSE, and it goes far beyond poor Stevie, Memories don’t leave like people do,they always stay with you.  So,let sleeping dogs sleep.

    • Butchamanton says:

      what’s steve’s last name? wew wouldn’t know who you’re talking about without last names.

  4. Right ya so says:

    How about emailing your info on crime to this cns address (easy enough to set up an anonymous email address on yahoo/google!):

     

    crimedesk@caymannewsservice.com

  5. Anonymous says:

    Some people seem to think that all it takes is for someone is to call the police and tell them that their cousin is a low-life, without a job, seemingly robbing people or selling drugs.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think that it is that simple as there is still a little thing called "evidence" which is needed to put someone away. The community has lost faith in the police, a lot of evidence has been mishandled in previous cases and the percentage of people that get off after a trial is quite large.

    Until police is putting a different face forward and show that they are prepared and able to take it to the next level, people are not confident to interact with them. Even when the police has done what they could, there have been many cases where crown counsel messed up and people walked out on bail (which has been my personal experience).

    Also, as seen from previous blogs – a lot of families are in complete denial about what some of their loved ones are up to!

  6. Anonymous says:

    Mr. Baines – please reconsider your approach – it hasn’t been too effective yet!

    Have your officers carry out random ID checks to determine prior arrests and immigration status. Cars need to be pulled over constantly, especially the ones with tinted windows etc. Forget about speeding tickets for a change! Police will need to become a constant pain in peoples’ backsides. You know where trouble makers tend to hang out in groups, so police needs to start hanging out there too! If those thugs start hanging out in different areas, then police needs to go there!

    When people tend to hang out in a parking lot to drink, there is a big chance that nothing good will come of it!

    Stop organizing and announcing road blocks and start using the element of surprise to your advantage. People need to feel that any time they turn around, police is there watching them. Otherwise nothing will ever change

     

    • Anonymous says:

      This is the best comment I have read in quite some time.  I believe Commissioner Baines means well, but his tactics have just not been successful.  The gentler approach is not going to work here.  Criminals are not deterred by the police.  This spike in crime will continue until the method of policing in the Cayman Islands changes to a more aggressive approach.

  7. Anonymous says:

    In response to  "There is a lot of talk from the Living"

    Just to say that you are correct in saying what goes around comes around, but that just goes to show how much crime and sin is on the increase.  We know what you are referring to, but just leave it.  Stevie was a mother’s child and a brother father – so is Jack. The bible don’t lie "you live by the sword and you die by the sword."  I  also lost a brother very nice guy,  perhaps not in the same manner, but someone killed him over another woman -those days that type of murder was very unpopular  – -and it really hurts I know just how both families feel – Let pray for one another.- 

    • ex-pat Eric says:

      It hurts to lose a family member or close friend and I don’t mean to be rude but what does this comment mean:

      "those days that type of murder was very unpopular"

      Are you implying that it is customary to "get" a woman like that now?

      If so that is saying a lot about the culture on the island!

      • Anonymous says:

        You do not lose any opportunity to make derogatory remarks about Caymanian culture, do you? Why don’t you just see the people as individuals?

    • Anonymous says:

      I totally agree with you.

  8. Anonymous says:

    Call the Police, and what be the next one in the ground. The Police cannot protect themselves let alone the public.

    The other pressing issue is that it appears we are living amongst a lot of criminals with no real way of protecting the greater community or ones self. While the Police have not created these problems, it is the parents that have allowed this to cultivate and fester into the infection that it is, the Police are not able to curb it.  I will bet that because of the violent crime here now, there will be more UK Officers coming in to show us how it is done.

  9. Anonymous says:

    If  Cayman were not so Amaricanized i dont think we would be having the  problems we are now facing.  The  Amarcians  says they can’t  scoll  there  children so we  say that applies for us also .

    Notice  people  born  in the  late 60’s and 70’s they were scolled and  therefore  we turned  out  ok. The  younger  youth now  if  you try to  scoll them, they will  call POLICE and  in many cases, they FIGHT the  parents.

      The crime  will never get any  better until  we bring back control  on how  we raise our  kids  now a days  the  KIDS dont ask mom or dad  "can  we do this or do that " they  just get  up and  do it. Notice  it  is  kids between the  ages of 15 to  25  that are doing the crime.

    I also say this not to insult any one, in my opion it is  also  bringing the  kids  up in a single parent family.

    One  parent can’t raise a  Child, if  it  took two to make one, don’t you think it should  take  two  to raise  him!

     Fathers I  plea to you, it is not  only  money that  we need to  raise the children. A "FATHER"  has a  very  large inpact  on the  out come  of  our  young  kids.  I  speak this only  becasue I am one of the  mothers  in  this  inpact,  I have  3 girls  and  the  father  for my last  two  is  usless.  All he  has ever done  for them is  give them one hundred  dollars  a month. He  does not have the  man power in him  to call his  kids  and ask them  if they are okay. What can  $100.00 a month do for any  child?  Please  stop  being "Sperm Doaners" and try interacting with your  children.

    The  young  boys either die, go to prison or end up on drugs. On the other hand the girls either get  pregnant at a young age or end up with Aids and all the father does  is sit down and  judge  the  mother  if  the  child  is  in trouble.

     

    • Sex Education says:

      Young Lady, WHY on God’s green Earth did you decide to have sex with such a useless man, or multiple men actually?  You talk like the father is the problem (and he is certainly half of it), but YOU are the one who can become pregnant by having sex, and until you KNOW that the man is worthy, will marry you, make something of himself and have the strength of character to be both a father and a father figure, you have no cause to be dropping your panties for him.  If you do decide to have sex before you are certain of all the things listed above, you should at least have thecommon sense to either use a condom or go on birth control, or preferably both, so as not to start your life as a single mother and no partner. 

      Either the education that your parents and Cayman society gave you is woefully deficient, or you must have a learning disability.  Unprotected sex leads to motherhood.  They did tell you that, right?  Did you not think about what than means while you were peeling off your panties?

      • Anonymous says:

         Hear hear. If women only knew the power they have over civilization!

      • Anonymous says:

        Let me tell ask you this how can you know if another person is useless when do you determine a person useless if you have been with the person for 6 years you think that he is a great man and you want to marry him and want to spend you life with him you have kids for him only to find out that he is not the man he once was and Sir I assume the nail hit you on the head judge yourself before you start judging others as the person said she had 3 kids it mean she has 2 baby fathers there are many that have five kids for five men

      • Anonymous says:

        In regards to your comment if you was SO “Mr. perfect” or “Mrs perfect” you would have not replied to that you would have encourage more women to speak out but I realize that the old saying ( who the cap fit let them ware it) fits you perfect Jack ass as I said I was not intending to offend any one judge yourself first

    • ex-pat Eric says:

      Yea — it must be the Americans fault!  Everyone else is to blame for the problems in Cayman.

      Whatever.

      And its not all the "Fathers" fault! Like you said – it takes two. How about the 13-20 year old girls on the island stop having sex! Then they won’t have to worry about the baby daddy!

    • Anonymous says:

      There you go again, blaming another race of people for your doings.  Blame Americans for purchasing beach land in which Caymanians sold, blame Americans for mothers or fathers who don’t watch their children properly, blame Americans for mothers or fathers allowing their children to run rampant, blame Americans for the destruction of your Island!!! Yep keep blaming everyone other then yourselves!!!

  10. Anonymous says:

    My condolences to the family of this man.

    I agree that not all police should be armed.  But I think that some specially trained police should be armed at all times and should be stationed in each district.  That way, if they get a tip that a violent crime is happening or has happened, they can respond quickly. 

    I would not respond to a armed crime scene without a weapon would you?

    Also, the Police need to break up "gatherings" of people just hanging outside places.  If armed Police approach them and tell them to go about their business, they’ll have a lot more shout than approaching groups who may be armed, while they only have a baton.  Time to get tough with loiterers and known criminals. Don’t police in the UK and USA have computers in their cars, where they can run a suspects name and get their criminal history?  If the Govt. cannot afford this, then perhaps the public can donate funds to provide police cars wtih computers.  This could also be linked in with a person’s immigration status.

    Armed police would also not be afraid to walk the districts, stop in the bar and have a soda, stop at the restaurant and grab a bite to eat. Get to know the local business owners and people would have a  lot more respect and get to know the local officers and trust them.

    This is a 2 way relationship.  We have to see and talk to the Police in order to know and trust them but we ALL have to start reporting crime. 

    I have a teenaged son and many nieces and nephews and I feel sick when I think of what they are going to have to deal with in a few years time.

     

     

    • Anonymous says:

      07:29Then you will hear that police is in bar drinking while on duty or eating in restaurant while on duty. People think of the implication of your suggestions.

      • Anonymous says:

        Well they need to be seen and heard, there’s nothing wrong with an officer drinking a soda or other soft drink in a bar, or having something to eat while chatting with the locals.  They probably do not get a "lunch hour" like the rest of us.  I saw an officer in subway having something to eat the other day and I felt much safer than I’ve felt in a public place for a long time. 

        Growing up in England, we always saw Police on foot in hte districts and in the city and they would often come and chat to us, find out what we were doing, ask our names and our parents names.  We knew betther than to get up to something then.  Lots of these young people committing crimes come from troubled homes.  If an officer tries to develop a relationship with them, find out their situation at home and be someone they can look up to, then you never know, that could change the person’s life from going the wrong way to going the right way.  These young people need people to look up to. 

        • Anonymous says:

          I agree with you writer. I feel so much safer just seeing a policeman where ever I go! I don’t care if it’s in the supermarket! I feel so much safer just knowing that he is there!

      • Twyla Vargas says:

        Do you know that some people do not want to even see the police sit down and have a decent meal, that is why the poor guys have to be eating donuts and patties.  Some times I really feel sorry for them.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Hope this is not a true picture of the night outside the hospital.  It is all women.

     

  12. anonymous says:

    They moved from the Public Beach, and the nearby Esso Station in Bodden Town to the Willow trees in Pease Bay  which enticed persoms from all over the Island.  The owners  had the willows cut to the stup and this did not derter them.  I have witnessed a policewoman  in the area and searching  the guys.  My condolences and prayers  to the family. 

     

    • BTXP says:

      "They"?  Most, I repeat most of the people you are referring to are not the hardened criminals you and others like to make them out to be.  Yet many are quick to point at them or accuse them whenever anything goes wrong in or around BT.  And then the gossip starts and all sorts of negative, inaccurate things are spread around the communities about them, diverting attention from the people who really are responsible for many of the crimes round here.  Stop the gossip and speculation.  If you take the time out to smile and say hello, rather than jumping to all sorts of conclusions about them, although (mainly through drink) they can get a little rowdy at times, most of them are actually quite nice, and will go out of their way to help people who give them a break and treat them in a civil manner.  

      I say this as I have lived in BT for many years, and I too initially felt intimidated by their presence.  But over the years I’ve gotten to know most of them and realised I was being an alarmist and playing to my own insecurities (where I come from, men who hang around like that are usually up to no good and there’s good reason to be fearful).  But in truth, these guys actually turned out not to be the ‘bad guys’ that I kept thinking and hearing about.  And for the record, the police do interact/stop and check on them frequently.

      I’m just trying to be reasonable, fair and objective here.  Its unfair to keep labelling these people for crimes committed by others.  The finger of blame has pointed that way and turned out to be wrong too many times already.  Generally around here most of what I hear is pure gossip and speculation.  People grip onto it and swear its the truth.  In realising this, I refuse to be a part of it.  I wish more people would follow suit and then perhaps there’d be less bitterness and resentment around.

      To the family and friends of the deceased, I am sorry for your loss.  However, I refuse to be a ‘Sherlock’ and try to think I have all the answers as others throughout this topic have done.  I’ll leave solving crimes to the Police.

       

  13. Anonymous says:

    This is just too sad. My condolences goes out to the family.

    To the family:  Just leave it to God, trust in him with all your heart and he will see you through.  There is an unseen hand and an all seeing eyes, he has taken you to this and he will take you past it.  He will give you the strength you never new you had, he will  comfort and sustainyou. 

    May you all find comfort in this time of sorrow.

  14. Q says:

    What an awful incident! My condolences to the family and friends of the deceased.

  15. Anonymous says:

    There is a lot of talk from those of us who reside in the land of the living, but if you listen carefully you might hear a voice from the land of the dead. To those of you who don’t know the late Mr. Stevie Watler I suggest you do some research. And their are also some that say ”what goes around,comes around” you be the judge. History does repeat itself.                    RIP Stevie                      

    • Bodden Town says:

      Be careful 20:26, because God said vengance is mine. So if what goes around comes around, then this circle is very big and started a very long time ago with generations beyond Stevie Watler.  I do hope both Jack and Stevie is welcoming each other right now.  They were both only hurt to themselves.  RIP.

  16. Anonymous says:

    My condolences to the victim’s family. According to the media reports,there is no mention of when calls were made to 911. Also didn’t someone that was there at the time when this was happening think of calling the police.Can’t blame the police forthis one. Someone has to have knowledge of what happened there. Come on Caymanian’s  make the call, do the right thing.

  17. Anonymous says:

     When the police/government/judiciary get hard on CRIME then we will see a difference.  Murder – life imprisonment and not in a hotel.  Drugs – 50 years.  If all the things that are taking place were addressed, there would be no need for 24 hours policing.  Jail the drug users and drug pushers and we would have less crime.  Or better yet, get the right potency and let them have a free for all and B. Town would be the best place, like is was before.  

  18. Anonymous says:

    This problem began 18 to 25 years ago when unwanted babies were born to young mothers who were incapable of giving these boys love, nurturing and a warm home life where education was supported. Many of these young, immature women took drugs like alchol, nicotine, ganga, cocaine etc while they were pregnant which probably damaged their unborn child mentally. What a tragety.

    Educate today’s young women so that they procrate responsibly and you will lower the crime rate 18 years from now.

    When the police become involved, you are 18 to 25 years too late.

     

    • Anonymous says:

      I have lived in a couple of different countries and find that the self confidence, aspiration and pride is very low in young Caymanian women.

      I do not know why they think their life can not be a full one without having a man. They rather settle for some low-life than being alone!

      I have seen so many of those girls who struggle holding a job and taking care of their babies, but they have a loser boy-friend drive around in the girls car all day long. After work, they have to stand and wait until the non-working guy can fit it in his schedule to pull up in the girls car to pick them up from work.

      I have tried to figure it out but yet have to make some sense of it!

    • Sex Education says:

      Right on the target!

    • Ronnie says:

      I totally agree with the post of "The Problem Began 18 – 25" and I dare say that this is currently an ongoing problem.  There has got to be a Chemical Imbalance in the Brain of these young people due to the Drug Use (legal or illegal) of their parents (both mother and father) when  conceived.  This is so sad.

  19. Right ya so says:

    The only way to stop this kind of crap is for people to talk to the police!!! that is the only way to protect your community…. these robbers, murderers know they can get away with it because we won’t talk! within 5 mins it’s all over the marl road anyway & everyone knows who did it – call a reporter (tv or radio) anonymously from a phone box – they’ll tell the police..

    It’s time for us to stop protecting these idiots just because they’re our own family, people.. enough is enough. we’re losing everything we love about our country!

    • Lachlan MacTavish says:

       Absolutely……We have always thought "someone else will do it, they will call, I don’t need to get involved". A few years ago the violent crimes were not happening. Now it is only a matter of time until something horrible touches you, your family, friends or someone you know. At least try to stop the crime. As the poster above said call someone.

    • Anonymous says:

      Amen, the sooner people follow your lead the sooner the violent criminals will have no place to hide in the Cayman Islands.

    • Anonymous says:

      Totally agree with you.

      Even if your child is past the age of you being able to discipline or telling he or she what to do, you can still talk.

      Don’t let your child be the next one in a box!

    • Anonymous says:

      Talk to the police, that is a joke, who will protect you when you talk to the police.  The criminal will find out who talked to the police!!!!

      • Anonymous says:

         True only because the police have such a bad track record when it comes to protecting witnesses

      • Anonymous says:

        Reply to ”Talk to the Police”  If it is in fact true as the poster above you said

        that in five minutes it’s all over the marl road who did the crime………and that

        everyone in town knows who it was……then…it stands to reason that the

        criminals would have NO way of knowing who  turned them in.

        It could have been any one in town, how would they know? 

        If someone phoned from a public phone booth, did not give their name and

        did not tell ANYONE not even a friend or relative that they were doing this

        then no one but them would know. A  solution when people are

        concerned about their safety.

         

  20. Anonymous says:

    I am saddened , this is too close to home. We all love our little dunkin Donots now will be so afraid to stop there.

    • Pauly Cicero says:

      Cayman 27 identified the deceased and from the information disclosed he did not appear to be a random visitor and he was most likely attacked in retaliation for the act that led to his incarceration. Unless you have a beef with the individuals hanging out by Dunkin Donuts you can probably continue to stop by. I’m not saying that it is safe to do so, just that this attack does not appear to be a random act of violence. By the way, I generally just take the extra time and drive out to the one by Morritts.

    • Anonymous says:

      If that is all you are concerned about your ‘little dunkin Donots’  – they are bad for your health anyway.  Sure you can survive without them.

  21. Anonymous says:

    This is another aweful violent crime in the long list. My condolences to the victims family. We have to get tough with these criminals. The problem is not our laws but the enforcement of our laws.

    As a side note to the commissioner:

    GUNS DON’T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

    • Anonymous says:

      "GUNS DON’T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE."

       

      True, but the guns make the criminal killers far more efficient.

       

      • Dennie Warren Jr. says:

        True, but law abiding persons may also more efficiently prevent criminals from murdering them and their families…

        • Anonymous says:

          Thank you Mr. Warren for bringing attention to this important fact. 

          However most people continue to take the easy path to blame guns for violence and crime rather than examinsing the real origins of crime – which starts from the abuse of power by the politicians, high civil servants and big business who get away with big crimes when they rob our islands and we pay the price.

          Now to guns, how did this even come up in this crime, it was some thing else used to bash the victim, then a knife, then a car ran over him. 

          So does that result in the Police Commissioner, the governor, the UDP Government calling for the banning of all things that can be used to bash people in the head (burn all trees, soft ball bats, cricket bats, hammers, etc), banning all knives (no more machettes to cut bush or knives to butter your bread or cut your steak) and all vehicles (no more POO1 and POO2 or the family car or the school bus). 

          Stop looking for simplistic scapegoats like blaming legal guns for our crime.

          None of these things killed people, people kill people and have done so from the begining of time…only Godly living, respect and love for our fellow man and woman will save us.

          God Bless you Mr. Warren for continuing to let our people see and hear that the authorities are only looking for easy false targets to blame for crime.  

          Direct them to the Glass House to begin the clean up.

        • Hallowe'en Jack says:

          XXXXX  In terms of efficiency and utility restricted gun access is the best means of protecting families.  Families with guns for self-defence are more likely to be shot by robbers and are much much more likely to kill each other in domestic disputes.

          • Dennie Warren Jr. says:

            Not true XXXXXX.  However, law abiding firearm owners clearly understand how wrong and deceitful you are being with those comments.

            Self-defense is a natural right which we shall retain, but one which we hope we will never need to use.

            • VirginiaLee says:

              I appreciate your comments. I am a strong believer in the right to bear arms. The true focus of our attention should be on the breakdown of the family unit and our separation from God as a nation.

              • Dennie Warren Jr. says:

                You’re correct about there being a breakdown of the family, but I would appreciate you helping out by writing about that one, because both of these topics among others, should be discussed.

            • Anonymous says:

              We dont need any guns in cayman.All guns should be removed from the public.I know of people getting gun license under the disgiuse that they are farmers.I personally think there is no need for them.They should also close down this gun club business.

              • Dennie Warren Jr. says:

                Re: “I know of people getting gun license under the disgiuse that they are farmers.”

                It has always been lawful to use firearms in self-defense, so no person needs to obtain a licensed firearm under any guise of farming or anything else.  You should really inform yourself before posting such…

      • Anonymous says:

        They also give the Law abiding citizens, who curently don’t have guns, a fighting chance against criminals who already have guns.

    • Anonymous says:

      Enforcement is a problem but it is not the only problem. Our laws allow for a revolving door parole and bail system. We have people with long histories of violence on the streets now on bail while awaiting trial and others who serve only a tiny fraction of the time sentenced. We need to end parole for violent crimes and change the sentencing regime so that sentences for multiple crimes involving violence are punished by consecutive sentences not concurrent. We also need to double the current penalties for violent crimes and stop the hotel treatment at Northward. Unfortunately our political leaders are too busy traveling to do anything about the crime problem – then again I am not sure that they have any interest in stopping crime even the few days a year they are in Cayman.

      • Anonymous says:

        If awaiting trial then don’t you have to be proven guilty?

        If they have a history of violence, then yes, this should be looked at and the bail conditions reconsidered in some way.

  22. Anonymous says:

    My people Cayman, we are looking for laws and polcing to guide us and blame them when things don’t go right.  It is a behavioral issue that is the main concern not laws or the lack of it.  It is against the law to kill/murder, this doesnt seem to be stopping too many from doing it.  Police cannot be every where everytime-plain and simple 

    Be reasonable, take charge of your own behaviour.  Beleive it or not you would not need all these laws if we have control of our emotions and behaviour!

     

  23. Anonymous says:

     The public is crying out time and time again that more needs to be done to address the crime in this country, but it seems to always fall on deaf ears.  Why do the people leading this country not seem hear our cries?

    • Anonymous says:

      Everyone across the world is hearing your cries and reading about the violence. There is not too much the police and government can do about the violence as they can not be everywhere 24-7 and your crime is not located to just one block or one district. IMO, it is up to the people to start turning these people in or the crime will just continue.

      I am very sad the island is becoming so filled with violence and crime. I remember the days where one could walk and drive with out any concern for safety.

    • Anonymous says:

      12:33 Do you realise that if people decide to be evil and kill or maim each other there is nothing the police can do unless they have prior knowledge that the crime will happen or come across it during their patrol. The fact is that people are increasingly solving their disapute by violence instead of mediation. Its a frightening trend and its sad but government or the police cannot stop  "hell-bent person" who decide to use violenc in the home or in a street dispute.

    • Anonymous says:

      And still, nothing from McKeeva.  His silence on the crime situation is deafening.

      • Anonymous says:

        the only cries our premier McKeeva Bush hears are the cries of the rich and famous for more government hand outs and Cayman give aways.

        He gone to find more people to give away more Cayman.

      • Anon says:

        Let’s be fair – Mac did politely ask the criminals to stop a few months ago.

         

        What a joke he is.

    • Anonymous says:

      Crying isn’t going to help anything.  Words are not going to help anything.  Action is louder than words.  Get your leader back here on the steps where you elected him and demand he do something about ‘his’ 2 x 4!!!

      He travelling, he don’t care and he no listening!

      Don’t you think he wants this to happen to become independent or become another you know what place.  He is doing nothing because ‘you can’t blame this one on him, ain’t his responsibility.’.  Police and all this is not under his reponsibility, remember.

      Crying? 

  24. North Sider says:

    Time and time again, I pass by Chesters and Dunkin Donuts, and have seen guys congregate there around that location, sometimes in the bush at night time. I have not seen Police Offices make any spot check or inquiry into what these guys have been doing there. The best I’ve seen them do, is merely drive along the main road, across the location at 25 mph – that’s it! Some individuals in the dark, I believe have had previous problems with the law, and these assemblies occur but less than one mile from the Bodden Town Police Station. Some nights I am even scared to even stop by Dunkin Donuts with my kids because of certain folk I see there. I understand people need to hang out and at least get some fresh air and social entertainment, but what has happened to the officers who use to interact one-on-one with the people of Bodden Town?  No… I see them hide in their patrol cars, scared because they themselves have no protection in protecting themselves, driving through Bodden Town like driving pass a toll on a highway! It just concerns me alot and I feel the Commissioner of Police should look into it.  

    • 911 HELP says:

      To North sider you are quick to blame the police.How do you know they dont stop by if you are only passing thru all the time yourself.Unless you are sleeping out side the building you cant make such a dumb statement that police dont stop there and talk to these we wantto call out cast.Me as a woman i have no fear of any of these places to stop.Thats what is wrong in Cayman we throw everbody in the same barrel and paint them BLACK maybe if we all take time out of our busy life and stop at these locations and while there share a few words of encouragement to these people.Sharing a KIND WORD will go way futher than just looking down on them and there past records.God can clean up the worst kind of person if we only BELIEVE. there is no sin too big that God cant forgive you of.May God help us all..

      • Anonymous says:

        I dont think they are blaming police i think they are saying that the police hand are tied if they dont have weapons.

      • Are you kidding me? says:

        You must be making a sick joke! I myself have see at least 20 guys hanging in the back of the bar down the street from where thsi murder took place and they are up to no good, they are standing around in the shadows obviously waiting for the opportunityt o prey on some victim. I am a man and a pretty big one too and I felt intimidated when I parked my car to go into the bar. Stop and offer a few encouraging words??? You must be one of them of you feel comfy in that location! No normal person would, they are prowling around out there like dump dogs looking for something to kill.

         

         

        • Backstroke!! says:

          That whole stretch  of Bodden Town from Chesters down to the police station have always been an area that warrants caution, when I saw that they had cut down the shrubbery along the fence there by the plaza, I thought  thank God, as we all knew that drugs were being sold  right there in those bushes, but the police have never arrested or done anything about it.

          Then here comes a liquor store and all the crimminal activity were in broad sight, how many police did you see there other than when someone called for them. Why didnt they have under cover men in that area to report what was happening there . Im not an intelligence agent but I can tell you that what I see happening here in Cayman makes me beleive that there is some other means of madness here.Remember how the CIA wrecked other carribbean, central America countries? Think about whats happening now, there is too much too quick for it not to be assisted.

          Not saying that we do not have some criminal elements either, but this is getting out of hand too fast. Folks we are all responsible for this if we do not report what we see and hear, it will not stop, so lets be our brothers keeper, and save our village.The future of these Islands lies in all of our hands, save it.

          • Anonymous says:

            .’…so lets be our brothers keeper..’

            Too much of that going on in the wrong way!

      • Another Bodden Town Resident says:

        I too, agree with Northsider  and Bodden Town Resident, the police in Bodden Town is useless.  This is the second time a murder too place in the same area by the police station.  These loafers need to be moved from loitering.  I have seen them smoking ganja doing cocaine, selling drugs and drinking alcohol in that spot in font of the bar.  The police know and calling the Bodden Town police is a waste of time.

        • Anonymous says:

          Do you think we are living in a police state? People have a right to freedom of association and assembly. They are free to assemble where they like. Unless a crime is being committed or police has suspicion of a crime by a report being made to them, they can’t just break up gatherings. To the poster who saw cocaine and drugs offences being committed ,what did you do about it? As a civic minded citizen of these Islands you should have reported it to the police. And also not because the people are young, or dress a certain way , or drinking,or noisy and loud, or not up to what you might think is a good standard  don’t make them  criminals.

    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe the police should go up to the people that were standing around right after this happened…collect their names and tell them that if no one is immediately arrested or if no names are brought forth…that those standing there will be held responsible. Arrest all those that are standing around after these incidences. See if that brings eye witness ! The people need to start calling the TIP lines and turning in the criminals.

      • Anonymous says:

        That would be false arrest . A statement by a witness is voluntary. It cannot be forced from them by arresting them. Thats not how the law operates.

        • Anonymous says:

           Not that I am one for forcing information from innocent people but isn’t loitering illegal here?

        • Anonymous says:

          Maybe so, but if the police locked down the crime scene and gathered all the names of the people standing there first they most likely would have a witness base and secondly they would be able to run those people names into a computer base for general info. (warrant checks, gang info. etc.).

          OK…do not arrest them, bring them in for questioning and see what info. you get. Why wait for a day or two after and then ask for witnesses…to late by then …the crowd has dispersed.

           

           

        • Rorschach says:

          Are you kidding??  Have you read some of the "suggestions" on how to deal with the crime problem??  Hardly anyone who bothers to leave comments on this forum knows how the law operates…You’re wasting your breath…

      • Anonymous says:

        Yep, you are right……

        And according to our Governor, Attorney General, Police Commissioner and the UDP Government if the 20 or so people who witnessed this murder do not talk then they are all guilty of the murder so arrest them all….how could this ever be right?

        People can you not see how the Governor, Attorney General, Police Commissioner and the UDP Government passed an oppressive dictatorship police law right under the nose of the "Human Rights Commission", people we are in trouble because there is no one to trust and we have all lost faith in all government institutions!

        How can we ever save the sinking ship Cayman?

      • Anonymous says:

        Bermuda does it, why can’t GC?

        This was in the Gazette on Sept. 28th (not the full article shown):

        September 28, 2010: Police searched more than 200 people over the weekend in an effort to "disrupt and dismantle criminal gangs". Two hundred and thirty-two searches were conducted over three days beginning Friday. This resulted in 61 people being arrested for crimes such as outstanding warrants and drug offences. A Police spokesman said: "Thirty-five of the 61 were arrested as a result of proactive policing around gang violence.
         

        That is 61 people who now have a record, who are finger-printed, and are now in their computer base. It may not matter to some of them, but others may have just had their wake-up call. As for the police, they now have some information to help them when the next crime is committed.

         

         

    • Bodden Town Resident says:

      I must  agree with NorthSider, this area is right under the police nose and they know what is happening there but will not do anything about it.  Bodden Town police needs to be moved to George Town they are useless up here.

      • noname says:

        So near and yet so far, the police in the districts will never find the killers. They are prohibited from hanging out on the corners or they will be labled drug dealers. They will never find the killers because those who work are hampered by those who sit and do nothing all day and all night long.

        Have you seen the amount of fatal accidents, robberies and murders that are taking place when the offices are open to the public during the day? Do you think this is co-incidence? No. They are not patrolling the streets, they rather stay in the office/station and do paper work. If they would only patrol, the mere sighting of the police car will serve as a deterent to the criminals.

        I had a friend who was a member of the police force here and for most of his patrols he used to be on the road, whenever you want to find and went to the station, he was never there he was on the road. Whether it was raining or sunny. Either on the bike or in the car but he was never in office like some of the others. We need more people like him. He once told me that it was easier for him to write 10 speeding tickets than to investigate on accident. I would like other members of the force to have that mind set and se how much crime will be and can be solved.

    • Anonymous says:

      You are correct, never do I see police at this location.  You can see who is congregating there are up to no good…like I stated in another post, the new park in Savannah, the early afternoon, there are men hanging out there, you can see they are up to no good.  I won’t even go now because of this!! Smoking and drinking, the police were called and never seen anyone respond!!!

  25. Anonymous says:

    What is going on and where are all these murderers coming from?

    If you have a disagreement and need to take it outside to settle it with a fist fight then so be it.

    But where has the need developed to kill another person? Stabbing and killing another with the total disrespect for human life is something else entirely.

    Don’t tell me that all these killers are foreigners either, what have these young men learned at home about the value of life?

    It is shameful.

    • Anonymous says:

      a fist fight is just a matter of degree in it’s difference from murder…basically, same solution… same paradigm

      • Dred says:

        Sorry but I COMPLETELY and UTTERLY disagree.

        Fist fights is about getting a measure of resolution to a matter either someone trying to prove they are better than the person or restitution. Shooting or stabbing someone is on a whole different scale and brings many other items to the table. It’s not that they don’t share some aspects but the person’s mind is far more advanced. His values about human life are far more diminished.

        As kids we got into fights in school. Fist fights are almost part and parcel of growing up. Most of us has had one or two or three during our lives. This is a territorial condition. "You damaged my….", "You slept with my…".Typically the intention is never to kill but to gain some sort of internal resolve.

        When you introduce weaponry to a situation you present one of two minds.

        1) I am scared and my belief is I will be beaten and I need this to scare the person or even the fight

        2) I will finish this once and for all. I will be the alpha-male.

        Condition 1 is not uncommon and would fit somewhat with what you are saying but condition 2 which I see more common today and which is the more common now than 1 is a tangent in our society.

        At some point between 2000 and 2010 there was a lost in the value of human life. It’s not that people did not kill one another then but today with most crimes being committed with weapons and many more murders we are seeing that these people do not approach a confrontation with a mind set to simply gain a measure of success or restitution for some wrong committed by the other person but a sick and trwisted mind seeking the rush of taking another person’s life.

        Fist fights were to resolve some difference of opinion. Murders are about more than just resolve, it’s about being an alpha-male. It’s status. It’s power over another in the most supreme way.

        • ex-pat Eric says:

          I lost a friend cause he got in a fist fight. His head hit the curb and he died!

          How about you stop all the fighting — it’s not appropriate behavior!

          In your own words:

          This is a territorial condition. "You damaged my….", "You slept with my…".

          It’s all about feeling superior!

          If something of yours was damaged, there is a court system to handle the dispute. If someone slept with a significant other than it probably is not even worth it anyway!

          Violence is never the answer. I don’t have a lot of a faith but I know Jesus said "turn the other check". But go ahead, this God fearing island is going to hell in bucket.

          • Anonymous says:

            I agree.  A fist fight  could be said to be the first step towards murder.  It’s just a lesser degree, UNTIL things escalate. Killing is not higher civilization.  Beating is not higher civilization. 

        • Anonymous says:

          And how is a fist fight not an attempt to be the Alpha Male??? 

  26. Anonymous says:

    It sad what’s happen in this place we call home

  27. Anonymous says:

    This is really horrible. There seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel. I just do not know what to respond to tourists anymore who ask about safety… This criminal activity is very damaging to the island in many regards and a firm stop must be made.

    • ex-pat Eric says:

      I know what to say. I’ve told my friends coming on a cruise to just stay on the ship. I’ve got friends coming for a stay over — hopefully they don’t go out of their rooms as I fear for their lives.

      I’d just  recommend they go to Jamaica and stay in an all inclusive. Be way safer then traveling here.

  28. Anonymous says:

    Every time I read your news, my heart is filled with fear that the latest victim is a friend, or someone I met while visiting Cayman.  My condolences to this man’s family.  And my prayers for these things to stop happening.