Rollover must be real break
(CNS): One year on Sherri Bodden-Cowan found herself talking once again about the rollover gap on the discussion panel of the CBO conference on Thursday. Now chair of the Work Permit Board, the attorney and architect of the country’s seven year term limit for permit holders explained that any reduction in the gap had to still provide a meaningful time period that would constitute a legal break in stay. speaking to CNS after Thursday’s conference, Bodden-Cowan said that while legal opinion from London said that lawfully the Cayman Islands could reduce the rollover gap to as little as the government chooses, no lawyer could guarantee that a reduced gap would stand a courtroom test.
“We can change the current year break to one as short as we would like but the problem we would face if we reduced the gap to a mere 30 days would be that such a short period could not be considered as a legal break in stay and nothing more than a holiday,” Bodden-Cowan said.
She explained that by reducing the rollover break too much, the country could see the issue that the policy was designed to prevent coming to fruition in several years. Without a real break individuals could realistically remain living and working in the Cayman Islands for as much as fourteen years with only a month’s break. The WP board chair pointed out that it was extremely likely that the courts would find in favour of someone in those circumstances being given permanent residency rights, and that could very easily become a lot of people.
“We have seen examples of nine month breaks that appear to stand the legal test and it may be possible to reduce the break to six months, but that may turn out to be too short when tested in the courts,” she added.
With the advent of the bill of rights, Bodden-Cowan said it was not possible to return to the days when people remained in Cayman for years and years without any security of tenure, and the country could not afford to offer permanent residency and the opportunity to become Caymanian to everyone who would want it.
Despite the continued controversy regarding the policy, Bodden-Cowan re-emphasized her belief that it remains the best way to manage the continuing problem that Cayman faces of balancing the issue of immigration control with the needs of the business community.
“The key employee system is there to ensure those that are needed have a way to stay and can move through the system to become Caymanians,” she said, adding that this was how Cayman could gradually grow the population with the talented people that the economy needs.
Speaking during the panel discussion, she said the policy was no means contrary to growing the economy and the system was the best way to create new Caymanians.
She warned that abolishing the rollover because of its percieved inconveniences would be handing a troublesome legacy to future generations, who would then have to deal with the high numbers of people who would have the right to be Caymanian and therefore make claims on thestate for education, healthcare and support in their old age.
Theo Bullmore, who was also on the panel, described the rollover as a little hobbyhorse of his and he said he has always believed the system was wrong. “I think it’s morally wrong to treat people as disposable," he said, adding that it hurt Cayman businesses, was costly and illogical. Bullman said he believed that it had institutionalised the old Caymainian saying of “I’m here to stay – you here to go” and had created the current divide.
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The vitriolic expressed on this site regarding Caymanians and Expats is just something else. Very eye opening to say the least and a very, very sad commentary on some peoples’ outlook on life. That said, this may come as a suprise to some, but everyone who comes here doesn’t necessarliy wish to stay. I for one have never felt permanent here, how can one when there is no way forward to gain citizenship unless one is a very important person, rocket scientist or just an out and out genius. When my term is up, not a problem, I’ll simply leave. I knew about the roll over when I came and I’m also aware that if there is a Caymanian who has the skill sets to do my job, so be it. I may not like it if my employment was terminated under such conditions, but that’s the rules. And I might add, that’s the right and proper course of action. My seven years is almost up. I like Cayman very much, would never do anything to bad mouth or put the island down. I have brought friends and family to visit, enjoy the sunshine and all the other things the island has to offer. Does it get any better to walk bare foot early on a Sunday morning on Seven Mile Beach? How wonderful is that? I have enjoyed my time here emensely, a great place. But I am also very fortunate in that when I do leave I will return to a great place, great people,my family and friends, my own culture. Step back and take a deep breath. Life is good!
aww shucks, i guess you’re right
Glad to see that some legal sense is prevailing. We must stop pandering to those on workpermits.Cayman is already being very generous.
The break must be meaningful in order to properly effect the roll-over. Let us be reminded that the great United States only gives a maximum of 5 years for a specialist employment VISA. Given the wide resources and capability of the USA, there must be a reason why they have limited such a VISA to 5 years.
We need to reduce our 7 year limit to 5 to properly manage our growth. Companies that cannot plan for 5 years should carefully examine whether they should be in business.
My understanding is that rollover has only one purpose: to force a legal break in residency so that a person living here doesn’t accumulated enough time to demand status under a right established in international law.
Rollover is not about giving Caymanians a chance to get a job or reducing the number of expats on the island and it is not about punishing foreigners or forcing them to suffer.
When I read comments like: "it should be more than a year" I get the impression that some people are happily trying to drive these people out of Cayman, like they are a hated enemy, that is not what rollover is about.
The period of time involved is only a legal issue, it should be the least amount of time that wipes the slate clean, no more and no less.
What would be the point of reducing the time one must be off island due to the rollover to less than one year? In my opinion one year itself isn’t long enough. Any shorter break is in essence a long vacation. With the consideration that this break is necessary due to the fact that people are legally allowed to apply for residency after a seven year term why not just make implement a law that states that this is not applicable to Work Permit Holders? Seems like a much easier way to go about this.
“…why not just make implement a law that states that this is not applicable to Work Permit Holders? Seems like a much easier way to go about this”
If it were that easy then obviously it would have been done already. Our laws must conform to international human rights standards. That is the reason for the rollover.
I thought Caymanians have being talking about how they are struggling financially. Yet they think a year not working is a nice long vacation!
Sorry most people in the real world can’t afford to go on vacation for a year
Must be nice to have that sort of money to have that mindset!
I may be thick, but what is the connection between rollover and status? Just because someone is here on a work permit need not give them the right to Caymanian status, no matter how long they stay here working.
Chucking people off the island who are contributing to the economy seems to me to have only downside for the Caymanian population – and it’s a downside which we can see happening now with reduced Gvernment income, rising public debt, economic slowdown and a depressed real-estate market. Can no-one see the connection between these things and the reduced ex-pat community?
In order for the islands to be economically viable – and to provide genuine full employment for Caymanians – the total population needs to be about double what it is now.
This is a competitive world, and that is just as true in financial services as it is anything else. Do not kid yourselves that the financial services industry will always stay here, or that you can service it without expats. They tried that in the Bahamas and look what happened there.
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
“I may be thick, but what is the connection between rollover and status? Just because someone is here on a work permit need not give them the right to Caymanian status, no matter how long they stay here working”.
International human rights standards (although not technically binding on Cayman) require that persons be given the opportunity to apply for permanent rights once they have been resident in the country for at least 10 years. They won’t have the right to Caymanian status or to permanent residency, only a right to be considered. However, if many of them are refused this is likely to result in legal challenges to the decisions.
In the years before rollover the consistent expat complaint was the “uncertainty” and the fact that they had no security of tenure. You seem to advocating a return to that of affairs.
“Chucking people off the island who are contributing to the economy seems to me to have only downside for the Caymanian population – and it’s a downside which we can see happening now with reduced Gvernment income, rising public debt, economic slowdown and a depressed real-estate market. Can no-one see the connection between these things and the reduced ex-pat community?”.
Rollover is not the cause of the economic downturn or the reduced expat community, Mr. Travers’ propaganda notwithstanding. Cayman is facing an array of external challenges, not least of which is global economic downturn. That has led to the loss of business, businesses closing and workers returning home. In turn the sudden increase in work permit fees meant that the cost of doing business here became too high and some businesses closed down or moved on.
“In order for the islands to be economically viable – and to provide genuine full employment for Caymanians – the total population needs to be about double what it is now”.
You have clearly been taking the Premier’s pronouncements seriously. That is obviously nonsense. In 2008 the population was not double what it is now and no one was doubting the Islands economic viability or complaining of unemployment. To attempt to suddenly double the population without regard to the social ramifications would spell disaster. That has been Cayman’s problem – hooked on economic growth without any attention to our social ills. Do you think the crime rate will increase or decrease with a sudden doubling of the propulation? We should take this opportunity to get a handle on our social problems.
“Do not kid yourselves that the financial services industry will always stay here, or that you can service it without expats”.
I don’t think that anyone has suggested that. Clearly only dunce could think that we can have a financial services industry without expats. No need to erect straw men.
If Cayman is such a terrible place to live and work and you do not like it here, No one here is holding you here against your will. Complainers & Whiners Club is located at the departure lounge at Owen Roberts Airport. No membership fees or dues are required. We due however expect you to buy your own airline ticket and carry "all" your baggage with you when you leave.
Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
funny about the ‘baggage’ but can I just use my repatriation fee to get outta here?
Did you pay that repatriation fee or was it your employer?
my employer made me pay it.
If all the major whiners and complainers took your advice (including you)there would be more expats then Caymanians left. And there would be less to complain about.
And just what country would take all the major whiners in and give you jobs with no responsibility,free healthcare,and for many the ability to spend someone elses money with no accountability?
Wait until CIG finally runs out of borrowed money and has to cut the CS. Then they will have to come up with a plan to pay it all back.They will have to move the club to something much bigger.
That will be the same as they are doing in Ireland right now, What a depressing time there – 45% tax and don’t mention the other cut backs,,,,,,,check their news.
So you see Caymanians know about the woes in other contries right now.
OK, I’m an idiot, and I have a small ______. Sorry everyone.
If it ain’t broken don’t fix it
We do not need to talk of the roll over, it is achieving its goals and only the blind cannot see. We have 5,000 Caymanians who have recently received employment following the departure of the expatriates who held the same positions in the financial industry, what did you expect expats to stay in our country on an infinite period yet they cannot allow a Caymanian to work in theirs? The economy of Cayman Islands is finding a double digit growth because local residents do not ship money out through Raggae Express, Money Gram, Quik Cash or any crap. The country’s GDP is growing steadily and actually Bush never needed to talk about a 3-month rebound.
Money is spent here and invested here, as such the cost of goods has been falling, because unlike years before when foreigners stayed in Cayman indefinitely supermarkets can sell to locals who have renewed buying power and were it not for the increase infuel cost and taxation by the government things could have been much better. More and more Caymanians are now buying and constructing houses because the construction industry is at an all time high.
By the way we need the East End port because we need another point to have luxury goods get into the Caymanian market, now we do not need to travel to Miami to do all this.
All these achievements have been realized because the roll-over is working as a matter of fact it should be reduced to 4 years so as to empower more and more Caymanians.
Long live Mckeeva long live UDP for rewarding the country with such a good policy.
Excellent irony
5000 jobs in financial services that had been filled by ex-pats are now filled by Caymanians!?! Where does this number come from?
Price of goods falling? Please tell me where you shop!
This whole posting is bizarre.
You’re fooled again. Can’t you see that an expat wrote that? No Caymanian has such a weird sense of humour!
you funny
"We have 5,000 Caymanians who have recently received employment following the departure of the expatriates who held the same positions in the financial industry."
What utter hogwash. Roll over the financial services industry if you want, there are lots of other financial services centres for us to go to, but don’t make up crap about the effect it is having. As the financial services sector packs up and leaves, the Caymanians it USED TO employ are now looking for work elsewhere.
What an imagination you have. I’m surprised that got posted frankly.
all i can say is FOOL FOOL
You must be one of the Civil servant bosses in charge of gathering the “facts” to tell all the people who can’t read. I bet you get paid a lot.
What a hoot! I LOVE it!
Judging by the responses a helluva lot of people took this comment to be dead serious! (Well I have admit that it was more subtle than most attempts at humour here.)
Oh… my… GAWDDD!!! NOW I can wrap my head around why the populace voted Mac and the current government into power: gullibility and stupidity simply abounds! If you can take 21:52 seriously, you certainly would fall for the stuff that Mac and the UDP dishes out.
Let’s be real about this – that was not a joke and there are people who actually believe that crud. Posters put lies on the CNS website, and in order to protect the less sophisticated amongst us from being fed lies, it is necessary to correct them immediately.
But that was not a joke as you suggest. It was the product of a mind twisted on misinformation.
Trust me… that is not McKeeva’s policy. McKeeva wants the roll over done away with – He has even suggested the policy to be reduced to one month’s time. You wait, under this administration, this rollover policy won’t last long.
So then someone who has come to Cayman not followed the laws,not contributed to Cayman in any way, got arrested and put in jail and has been there living off the system for over 8 years is eligble for status but someone who has come to Cayman and spent 6 years fully contributing everything to Cayman, Buying a home, raising a family responsibly, and even teaching Caymanians and contributing their paychecks the whole time (Many come to mind)do not? The only question I have is why would anyone wonder why there are so many of the former types and not enough of the latter?
Did anybody ask all those people who were unceremoniously throw off the Island with the rollover if they would like to come back only to be thrown off again.?
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ROLL OVER actually hurting cayman more than the expats.
Think cayman without expats.economy is build by people,no matter rich,poor,skill,unskilled.
Immigration,customs,insurance,tourism,cayman airways, pension,banks,chamber of commerce,companies etc, will be dormant.
it will be hard to get finance rolling,with direct effect on people living on here,may be local or any status holder or few of remained expats
status/permanent residency holder will still have the place wherever they come from,if they found difficult to be here .who will remain is born caymanian.who will struggle for security and livelihood.
there are thousands of born caymanian living across the world for studies,work,medical or any other reason ,imagine all been send back on island,so where we go from here.
its been noticed,marraige for convinience is on very high,distroying so many families and houses of cayman people,for just small reason
cayman see both side of coin before u say or act.
if this policy wont get amended,"CAYMAN WILL GET ROLL OVER SOON"
"She warned that abolishing the rollover because of its percieved inconveniences would be handing a troublesome legacy to future generations, who would then have to deal with the high numbers of people who would have the right to be Caymanian and therefore make claims on the state for education, healthcare and support in their old age."
Ms. Sherri Bodden-Cowan seems to fail to acknowledge that the "guest worker", whilst in this country working, contributes to the Cayman economy by buying from the supermarkets, buying a car, buying groceries,paying duty on whatever they might import, paying stamp duty on real estate – all in all contributing as much, if not more than, many Caymanians.
So it is ok to have you here whilst you contribute to the economy, but don’t ever expect any help if you end up sick, disabled, or old. There is a lack of respect for the economic balance – basically what the guest worker puts in, is not necessarily what they can get back out, if they need it.
It is more than cold. It is callous.
I watched a documentary recently on the “rise of Dubai” and one of their leaders said they expect foreign workers to be there for a short time. To earn what they can and then go home. Not to be there indefinitely…. So, if they can do it why can’t we?
Sure some will get permanent residence and citizenship but it’s simply not possible to expect that EVERYONE will.
If you can and you will pay your own way and want to live in Cayman indefinitely then I think permanent residency leading to citizenship should be an option if you are of good character and are active in the community. Again other countries do it so why can’t we?
Cayman is a small country both in land and historically in population and the locals are in the minority. If we as locals don’t look out for ourselves I certainly don’t expect that anyone else will. Other countries protect their borders, have immigration controls and are vocal about wanting a ‘certain kind’ of person making their country their home, so why can’t we?
I don’t think that it is unreasonable in a country that does not have income taxes to make these requests, especially when it seems to be standard in countries that do have income taxes. Be realistic and don’t get your panties in a bunch because you can’t ride the train all the way to the end of the line. Not many do.
maybe you can do it like dubai, and maybe you can’t. Time will tell. Just remember to keep an eye on yer own panties.
and keep on modeling yourself after those middle eastern countries. Maybe you can start chopping the hands off turtle poachers , and gouging out the eyes of all the good folks ogling women… just keep your other eye on which train YOU hop on.
Note the key difference:
(A) Dubai was (past tense) independently wealthy, and brought in disposable foreign workers to do the bidding of the rich.
(B) Cayman is independently poor (with all due respect, this is true – without foreign money you have almost no "gross domestic product"), and relied (past tense) on foreign workers to bring wealth to the island.
See the difference? Dubai could runoff the help because it had its own money. Cayman ran off the goose that laid the golden eggs, and is now in poverty as a result. Rather important distinction, no?
….and is it for Cayman you are sorry, Sour Grapes?
Have you checked the date of documentary? and the recent changes in immigration policies there.Dubai is open for all businesses,tourism,work etc,its been encouraged people to be in dubai with no term limits,business specially from cayman is shifting to dubai and in hong kong,thats is exactly RISE OF DUBAI.dont spread half baked cakes.
a very good point. Most, if not all taxes (duties etc) paid by expats go to caymanians
I never read rubbish like that before. How can you track who “taxes” go to. The last time I checked expats and Caymanians were driving on the same roads……..
I guess I’m referring to ‘food stamps’, free plywood for hurricane board up, old folks homes, free college for all caymanian kids, free trips to the hospital, free gas and phone for CS, … jesus, I’m just an expat, I don’t really know all the rest of the benefit paid out to the locals here… free stuff for sailors bla bla bla… and by the way, I thought Dart and various others friends of cayman built your roads. there’s smore rubbish for ya!
“I thought Dart and various others friends of cayman built your roads. there’s smore rubbish for ya!”.
You’re right. That is rubbish. A quick look at the Govt. Budgets for the years 2005-2008 will tell you that CIG bore the cost of the roads. And no, we would not need new roads were it not for the large number of expats.
and going to the same government schools and receiving CINICO healthcare and any handouts from welfare, oh no they don’t do they
There’s no way to know which dollar collected by government is spent where. We all pay. We all benefit (or not, depending on your political position).
When you temporarly move to another country because you were fortunate enough to get a job you have to respect the laws of that country, that is only common decency and if respect is not given imagen what you will do when you get residency.
Just look at what immigrants have done and are doing to much larger countries. we are already a minority in our country. i would love to see all you wise guys go home and be a minority, your brothers and sisters being discriminated against and earning a wage below the minimum living standard, get laid off to keep on a guest worker etc..
oh boy what a reaction, bet you will spend all those CI$ celebrating the occasion and welcoming everyone with open doors.!!!!!!!
name another place where anyone can go get a gurinteed employment for 7 years ignore the locals make rude comments about YOUR hosts and cannot give the full names, addresses of 5 locals you work with but can degrade them.
get the picture, 60’s to 80’s were different everyone worked and played together since then most guest workers are selfish and all about
self and s e l f.
milk the cow dry and go home if you saved your money, if you were foolish and saved nothing stay here and be a burdon to everyone. got it.
dont be self centered in your responce tell us what you did for your hosts lately and i mean the human kind.
As a Caymanian, I say it is IMMORAL and based off FEAR… and even HATRED amongst some Caymanians against Jamaicans. It is a policy that will not benefit the Cayman Islands in the long run.
In case you didn’t notice, the rollover applies to all nationalities, not simply Jamaicans. There is no basis whatsoever for your racist comment. Please explain the “immorality” involved. People agreed to come on the basis that there should be no expectation of permanent rights or indeed of a permit renewal.
Rollover Intelligence
In thinking about the rollover question I haven’t found the wise answer. Here are a few thoughts.
As a country we don’t manage well. Every decision or action that we take or have taken over the last 30 years has failed to produce the results that we need or expected. Immigration management is of our greatest failures. It has perpetuated an illusion of employment security and entitlement that hasn’t served Caymanians or local business well.
If we had put the rollover policy in place 30 years ago we wouldn’t be having this debate now. It would be a fact of life that everybody accepts and understands when they arrived on the island. Most of our guest workers, professional or labourers, would be working, saving and leaving. Not a penny spent more than they needed for survival. That would have saved a lot of development cost for real houses and reduced the impact on the environment.
Businesses would have plans in place for talent replacement long before the employment contract expired. No one would feel hurt or disillusioned because they never expected to stay. By now we would have a well-oiled international HR talent replacement machine in place.
The large status giveaway would never have occurred and businesses would have continuously refreshed their operations with new human capital and up-to-date knowledge capture. Of course Caymanians that didn’t keep up with international experience and standards would be unemployable in this new world of the Global Professional.
In orderto make rollover workable Caymanian businesses would have a guarantee that the results of their international talent search would automatically get a work permit for the next 7-years or else they couldn’t afford the cost of hiring and moving a world-class professional employee to Cayman. No more uncertainty about work permits. Let the business decide whom it hires and why: file, pay the fee, and bring your new employee to Cayman. No more nonsense about some board deciding what a business needs.
Even at that businesses might find that the very best professional employees uninterested in building a short-term career in the Cayman Islands. Also since the employment cycle is rigid the only reward is high salaries. None of which they intend to spend in Cayman. Foreign employment will be a great big vacuum cleaner sucking a lot of cash out of Cayman.
With no promises of partnerships or long-term employment, salary and repatriation costs would also be higher. Smart high-level talent with valuable clients will nurture those relationships and take their Client-Book to a new jurisdiction, expecting to negotiate a higher position and remuneration at the other end. Foreign firms pay well for Caymanian clients. Of course Caymanian firms suffer as their clients are sucked away. The smart ones will diversify overseas.
The lower level imported labour will take the rollover year off, work on their new house and then very likely return to Cayman where even a little money is better than working in their native country. Not much change in that area and still difficult for a Caymanian to compete with.
I’m not sure what the answer to the rollover question is, it is definitely needed in some form but it produces mixed results no matter how smart we are at managing it. I still don’t see any greater benefits for the average Caymanian.
It is not an area to get emotional about unless you are one of those poor folks that came to Cayman, fell in love with it, bought a home, raised their kids here and are now being asked to leave. Sure feels like we should keep them somehow. For everyone caught in that trap this is one Caymanian that is truly sorry.
The minute politicians were making the decision about who could and couldn’t get ‘status’ Cayman was doomed. In other countries when the politicians get involved in the immigration process they are pilloried, investigated and suspended. Cayman needs to start taking some leaves from those books.
All countries have laws which have adverse effects on both foreigners and citizens.That’s just how it is.
The big USA accepts foreigners to fight in their wars and when they are killed, guess what – (in some cases) their families are deported, yes, just like that! Such gratitude
Shoulda Coulda Woulda
When I came here 20 years there WAS indeed a time limit placed on how long you could be here. I was very aware of it. Everyone was. They just never enforced it.
Nice thoughts but that ship sailed… like you said, 30 years ago.
Mr. Bullmore is correct and all the facts back it up. To bad facts rarely have any bearing on decisions made here.
I think the biggest issue in the Caymanian employment/labour discussions is the fact that we have so many unemployed Caymanians. The high levels of native unemployment has nothing to do with a saturated labour market – it is due to the fact that many people seem to have been indoctrinated with this sense of entitlement as a Caymanian. Why do you think that the government has to seek employees to do things like manual labour, domestic work, many construction and service jobs? Because no Caymanian ever feels propelled to ‘stoop down’ to working with DOE.
I am Caymanian and when I lost my job due to the economic climate a few years ago, I worked as a brick layer to support my family. If many of these Caymanian individuals who would rather collect aid from the government rather than seek employment in what would be viewed as a menial job then our country wouldn’t need to employ Filippinos as our garbage-men, or Hondurans as our domestic workers. We need to mobilize the population to fill the niches in our employment sector to boost our economy.
We need to send more of our local youth through to tertiary employment, and encourage a broader spectrum of employment opportunities. Finance isn’t the be all and end all, we need more local people involved in the sciences, and in the health field. Lets inspire a new generation of Caymanian engineers! However, in the mean time we need an influx of new ideas and individuals to feed our economy. We cannot continue to revoke much needed work permits and key employee applications! Look at what has happened to our rental market – prices are plummeting and the real estate market is totally saturated. We need an influx of people!
Caymanian yeah right! Brick layer,native and its DEH coz . One question could you tell me who created this sense entitlement and just where and who did we learn about collecting gov’t "aid" from. You Caymanian as much as i am Mongolian give it a rest. Some like you need to stop playing these sick little mental tricks & games and just maybe we would not view you as such a huge threat. If you know so much and was indeed a Caymanian you would know exactly who the entitlement indoctrination came from. The truth is merely a matter of fact whereas honesty is a question of attitude.
I wish Mrs. Bodden would just come out and say that the rollover is a major disaster – that has helped destroy our economy and the dreams of many expats and still it hasn’t solved the local people problems.
Rollover encourages short termist money grabbers like me to come here. Thank you term limits.
I’m not sure you even need that much encouragement
As a person who has lived and worked on Grand Cayman in the past and still has a home there(now empty) I would just like to put in my own small opinion on this matter. While I liked living and working there I never wanted to stay forever. I never wanted or needed to have Caymanian status. I would have like to havethe ability to stay and work as long as my Caymanian employer wanted me and or as long as I was happy to stay. The rollover takes this ability away from both me and my Caymanian employer because you want to make sure I don’t get what I never wanted in the first place AND most Caymanians understandably don’t want me to have. THIS does not make any sense. The roll over does not work for working expats or Caymanian employers and easy to see that it is not working for Cayman in general. My small minor opinion is that immigration should bring in and keep working people that work and help out Cayman and keep out those that do not. Easy to see this is not happening. Hard to see why not.
Why can’t all you legal (smart?) type folks make this work? Most of the expats I knew never wanted or needed status. They (like me) just wanted to work and live on Cayman as long as it was good for them AND Caymanians.
While I appreciate what you are saying and am happy you have put this on the forum I have to say that you are part of a minority. There are many from countries we know of, but for the sake of peace I will not name, who want to stay and bring their parents, auntie, sister, brother, niece, sons, daughters and dog over here to live. Mainly because money, life and living is better than where they are coming from. They see tremendous opportunities that they just don’t have in their own countries.
Many will deny it but they know what I’m talking about. At some point in time many of us have overheard someone talking and making these kind of plans and the reasons behind it.
Unfortunately, as with most things in life, the good suffer for the bad. Those who just want to make money and then move on when it suits them are ‘rolled over’ with those who if they had their way would stay til thy kingdom come. Until pathways to PR and Citizenship are actually put in place the rollover will stay.
You obviously hang with a different crowd than I did. Myself, my friends, and those I worked with came from countrys that have a much better standard of living then Cayman. I understand where you are coming from as I too saw many workers who would not be good for Cayman. Being able to distinguish the good from the bad should be an easy thing to do. Like I said too bad they can’t keep the ones who are doing good for Cayman and that Cayman needs and yes get rid of the ones that do not fit this discription. That is what immigration should do but it seem,s they are doing the opposite.Not to hard to see it is hurting Grand Cayman.
Thank God the UDP has at least one sensible person in its ranks. Spot on, Sherri.
Theo is talking bull. Nothing at all immoral about holding people to conditions they agreed to right at the outset with their eyes wide open.
Sherri Bodden, Caymanians are fed up with being out numbered by expatriates. I do not understand what it is that these people have done in their homeland they want to come here and fight us for ours. No Shame whatsoever some of you have.
And I may ask the same question of you and your’s sir.
Why did you or you migrating relatives do in your original homeland that caused you to flee here, and take up residence in what was then to you a new country?
Take a very deep breath, relax, and get over it!
What a warrior. Soldier crabs fighting Caymanians for their mango (island)
Why don’t you join the protesters in your country. Too hot?
what in heck are you talking about??
how about the ones that did not have those conditions have or agree to?
any compassion there?
EVERY expat agreed that they should have no expectation of permanent rights when coming. They also understood that permits were subject to a renewal process which might or might not be successful. No one was tricked.
you’re just saying that. you’re trying to trick me right now!
Yes but they can return home or go to the other million and one nice places to which you keep referring and which are better than here. So why gripe?
Well said. I could not have said it any better.
It is times like these when I can only laugh at the daily claims of Caymanians and Cayman being such a horrid and backward people and place in which to live.
Say what you like, but it is clear that MANY non-Caymanians are adamant on getting here or staying put here.
I am for the protection of Caymanians in their own country and that is what the immigration ministry of every expat’s country does for their own people. The statistics are already quite alarming.
"Caymanian at Heart" has made similar points as I have in the past and no one could successfully or logically argue against them.
Lastly, as I always say – time is long.
People tend to view ("necessary") immigration or population changes within the time frame of their own lives. This is a mistake.
We have a long, long way to folks and Cayman has in reality just begun on its journey.
It would be wise for us to milk whatever benefits we can from the global population while preserving the future of our own people in the meantime.
After all, isn’t that the 1st World / Western / colonial / American / Euro-centric way?
We’re simply playing by the rules of the regional games folks.
(So long as the greater western nations continue to pummel its citizens with draconian laws in regards to taxation, privacy, fees, and personal freedoms, we will never be in short supply of expat workers happy to enjoy a 7 year holiday from the chaos.)
Well said, well said.
I think at last it is now clear that Whodatis is just an old school flamer. No-one can really believe in the stuff he posts.
‘I am for the protection of Caymanians in their own country and that is what the immigration ministry of every expat’s country does for their own people. The statistics are already quite alarming.’
Please produce these alarming statistics, then we can decide for ourselves whether your posts have any credibility or not.
Who cares what you think? Your sense of entitlement is ridiculous. Caymanians need to care for their interests.
ooh yes, wanting some to back up the figures one appears to have made up on the spur of the moment to back up their seriously flawed arguement is a rediculous entitlement
LOL
I’ll take the “chaos” of my country where things like accountability, responsibility, transperancy in Government and the ability to see the money you put in going for something you want any day over a country that has no future but depts they cannot pay. Glad your happy though.
Pray, why the big secret about your good country. I too would like to migrate there but alas, you do not want to share with me, do you? Yet you want to share mine. How selfish.
Pray, please, please, I implore you, tell us. We also need a good place.
Sherri,
It is evident that the Rollover Policy is based off the FEAR or HATRED of strangers or foreignors coming the Cayman Islands to stay. This fear or hatred may be based off their culture, belief system, or way of life. And their may be valid reasons based off the phobia, such as, crime and loss of employment opportunities for Caymanians. In psychology, such fear or hatred is called XENOPHOBIA.
A xenophobic person will usually target a Immigrant that has been on island for a considerable length of time. I personally know that "Jamaicans" and "Fillipinos" have received alot of complaints from Caymanians. Even racism is manifested and intwined with the xenophobic beliefs.
In the end, this protective measure to regulate population growth will hurt the economy, because a roll-over of skilled and experienced workers, will be replaced by the newly inexperienced ones. Hence, companies will suffer. The key employee measure was introduce to prevent the skill workers from leaving; however, "WHO" is a skill worker should never be decided by government. A skill or experience worker could be a mere laborer!
This fear of strangers or foreignors, this isolative and protectionist view, is setting a wrong precedent for our youngsters and generations to come. It may lead to more phobias and even racism. Cayman has always been an opened society before and has always prospered! Why now close down Cayman and implement these restrictive laws against the job market?
As a Caymanian I don’t FEAR or HATE someone because of their nationality. We are becoming intolerant towards expats because of some of their attitudes, personalities, etc. towards Caymanians as if they are more deserving than we are. I give you a case in point. I have some expatsfriends, well actually, I thought they were friends; two of them were laid off from their jobs they asked me to help them to secure employment which I agreed I would. A short time afterwards I became aware of two Caymanians who were out of work for some time. I passed the word around to my associates in regards to notifying me of any vacancies arising in their businesses. When positions were available a short time afterwards I forwarded the resumes to my associate who decided to hire the Caymanians for several reasons and I seconded and suggested the same to them beforehand because we as Caymanians need to start to lookout for or own.
However when my so-called expat friends became aware of this they were outraged that I would do such a thing and voiced the opinion that they were better for the job because Caymanians are lazy people and don’t like to work and that it is best to hire a foreigner for any job. They now find it unfair they have to return to their home country because Immigration will not give them another extension. All foreign nationals need to clearly understand that due to circumstances their tenure here is not permanent.
It’s attitudes like this and yours why you are uncomfortable and find it difficult in the current environment. When the Cayman Protection Board was in place Cayman was a harmonious place, society and country. Certain elements of the Cayman Protection Board need to be reintroduced sequentially over a period of time.
the key phrase here is ‘look out for our own"….. Like God looks out for his own, right?
Like expats look out for their own.
It’s called population control. Overpopulation is not desired by Caymanians!
Mr Bullmore should be commended for his brave remarks. Most more recently arrived Caymanians refuse to speak out for fear of retribution and because they do well from the present status quo. It is an undeniable fact that the roll over policy displays a cold attitude towards immigrants. What happens when a person is treated with a cold attitude? Usually that attitude is reciprocated.
There is nothing wrong with giving people a path to citizenship, every successful country does this. It does not have to be an indiscriminate give away like the 2004 fiasco.
Any Caymanian that is willing to work hard and get properly qualified can achieve any goal that they may have, look around at the shining examples, Naul Bodden, Roy Mctaggart, Canover Watson, Jude Scott, Dan Scott etc.
Protectionism is not the answer, building a critical mass of people to support local business is.
Every successful country also has immigration controls in place which help manage population growth.
Growth management is exactly what the roll-over is intended to achieve so that we don’t have a repeat of the mass-status grant fiasco.
Caymanians complain about expats taking advantage of Cayman. Here is an example of how. Once I saw the rollover coming, I knew it was the end of Cayman. It just seem inhumane on one hand and stupid on the other solidify a legal divide (segregation). So I sold my house. I got the highest price in the history of the complex, by far. I then rented, each year negotiating my rent down, if necessary, or moving to a nicer, but cheaper place. Each year, I made and saved more money. I figured, if I’m not good enough to be here, MY money, which I make in an EXPAT firm, isn’t either. By renting, I no longer needed to go to A.L.T, or Kirk Home Centre, I just called my landlord. Its really quite convenient. The rollover has saved my a ton of money. Ironically, one doesn’t need to own property to actually get through. After all, its only 20 points. This is fair as a Caymanian doesn’t have to own property to be a Caymanian. Its still possible to remain, should I choose. However, I have made so much money, it may be smarter to cash in my chips and go home where I can buy a house for cash. Ironically, in a neighborhood where I don’t need to lock the doors and the schools, where my children may attend for free (along with other kids from all over the world, who are also attending for free.) Shall I chose to stay, I’m not really worried, as being able to predict whats coming puts me at a huge advantage to most of the posters on this topic. What’s the saying, None are so blind as those who don’t want to see?" Ethnic cleansing has never worked and never will. As long as Cayman is going down this path, its as easy to read as a grade one book – should one know of global history and have any sense of humanity.
How dare you insinuate / utter such nonsense? What’s currently happening in Cayman is not tantamount to ethnic cleansing, and I find your statement to that regards very offensive. Cayman is not a free for all to come society for individuals like yourself to eventually get either Key Employee, Permanent Residency or Caymanian Status and in turn disenfranchise Caymanians in many aspects. The fact that you now have a lot of cash actually shows what your true intents were and currently are. You are just here to line your pockets and when the system is not advantageous to you any more you pack your bags and leave. I say be gone so we Caymanians can put things back in place overtime that will benefit meanly us.
Funny (to me) that you ask how dare you insinuate and then do the same. I guess that is another right of the Caymanian living on Cayman.
"Meanly us"? Your words not mine.
Its fascinating that you wrote you are against "disenfranchising Caymanians", but what Cayman is doing is not ethic cleansing. Both are different sides of the same coin. Some common sense would be appreciated.
What’s wrong with lining my pockets? I see many Caymanians doing the same thing. I have never been in a place where so many locals wore rolex watches. Good for them. I work hard. I don’t cheat on my wife, I don’t drink and I don’t smoke. I pray every day. Why am I so bad? Because I dare to suggest not all is well in paradise?
Understand this clearly. The MAIN reason so many people get invited to this country is because this country NEGLECTED to educate its people. You need to solve the problem from within before taking it out on others.
Isn’t your country in turmoil? I bet you are going to Dubai
Wow, I can certainly see why Caymanians would want to run people like you out of their country. I would too and I am not Caymanian. You mention only taking from this country and yet, no mention of giving back and you sound proud of it. I think you should go back to what you describe as a better place to live, not sure why you are staying here at all.
Interesting comment. Please don’t become a hater too. Clearly I do contribute to Cayman financially and reputationally. In stark contrast to the government bodies, my accounts are actually produced on time. This assists in Cayman being able to declare itself a financial centre. I currently rent from a Caymanian and my children go to PRIVATE Caymanian schools. I also help CUC, the Fosters, water company, Walkers Road Esso etc. etc. I also donate my time (not money) to charities. I trust you can say as much.
Sour grapes is just dreaming
Mr. Bullmore spoke the most sense and the childish reactions to his sensible comments seemed to come from those that have benefited the most from the protections for the mediocre in the current system.
There are certain rights someone cannot agree/contract out just like that! The very agreement is likely to be challenged as not legal either. Sorry to say but this is not the solution.
Theo Bullman, I don’t condone the statements made over the years either, that, “Im here to stay – you here to go” As we can look around us and see thethousands of Caymanian Status that we have given out over the years, which means we are not that bad,eh!
Now, do you really believe we should give 21,000 people Status, be real, and that number will be only increase over the next 7 years, your idea is total destruction of the Cayman Islands.
Why is it that the country you came from are treating people like disposable….your Immigration policies are only trying to protect your people, the same way we are.
You all don’t seem to get it, do you? as to date, the Cayman Islands have approximatly 21,000 persons on work permits.
Apparently the majority of you permit holders want the people of the Cayman Islands to remove the restrictions set by its people and the Immigration Department, so you all can continue to work, live and own your own business here in these little Islands.
This is unconscionable and despicable, the Social Services, and Government are already financially overburden, with some of the very people that were given status.
Sherri, you are doing a fantastic job, keep it up.
Caymanians need to prosper in their own country.
“Own your own little business here in these little islands”?
Apparently (to those like you) the majority of you permit holders etc., etc, etc. You need to face the facts.
The real and only reason the social services, and government are already financially overburdened is people like you.
If Caymanians are to prosper in their own country they need more Caymanians to take responsibility for their own lives and stop living off the public purse(which is filled mostly by the unconscionable and despicable permit holders, expat visiters, and expats that use your financial services). And very little by Caymanians. Do you get that? Can you get that? I didn’t think so.
can you tell me what social services does for expats???? puhleeeze? I want to go shoot the sh*t in that line for a few hours.
"can you tell me what social services does for expats???? puhleeeze? I want to go shoot the sh*t in that line for a few hours. "
Pay the rent, food vouchers, etc…
soooooo as an expat, I can get help with my rent?
the guy doesn’t really embarrass easily
International courts of law recognize and accept 6 months and a day – ie – way less than a full year, indeed just over half a year, as an acceptable break. When will Cayman have the balls to stand up and say – one month was a farce, one year was a joke, legal residency was lost after half a year, so on day 190, we should be having a big welcome home party for the VICTIMS (Yup, I said it) or rollover…
Rollover, rollover, rollover what is going to happen when the next generation have no one to rollover.
Cayman stand to lose more than they gain from rolling over expat than they will gain.
Take a look around at the number of apartments that are empty just looking for people to rent them. Where are they ? Rolloed over.
Who is affected ? Caymanians who cant pay their mortgage and other bills because they depend on others to rent their property.
People would like to spend money but they can’t because they don’t know if their work permit will be renewed or they will be receiving the letter of notification with a date of rollover. So they keep their money and share apartments
Free up the work permit and give people confidence to work and spend so businesses can employ caymanians everybody wins.
The current state of the world economy is the major reason for the slowdown in Cayman. The rollover is playing a small part. The rollover is not the reason for a glut of available apartments. Work permit holders are being laid off and in turn return to their home country because of the slowdown in the local economy. The only time we should start to increase hiring foreign nationals in numbers again is when there is a clear visible turn around in the local economy.
After hearing both sides in this matter, I do hope a better balance could be achieved to protect Caymanian immigration concerns and also the employers/ employees who are affected.
I do hope the Government and the various statutory bodies are practising and complying with the same policies / set of rules.
Bashing is not the answer, but some constructive discussion across the table might be a good start.
A word of caution for Cayman- — we cannot live in isolation in this rapidly changing and competitive world. We Caymanians could have got away 20 years ago with these rigid stands, but definately not now. Many other countries copied our business model and probably have done better.
I really don’t get it. If work permit holders aren’t rolled over, then there is noneed to recruit more persons. Also when and if they are granted status, wouldn’t they be caymanians? So how will Cayman be overrun by expats. I guess this so-called Christian country is discrimatory at heart. Different levels of Caymanians. What a shame to discriminate based on how one becomes caymanian. One thing for sure WE ALL HAVE THAT 6-FOOT HOLE WE ALL CAN CALL HOME ONE DAY, regardless of type of Caymanian or expat.
A very silly response. It’s like saying we can lower the crime rate by declaring all former crimes legal. Calling expats Caymanians does not improve the lot of native Caymanians, it only disguises the problem. They do not identify as Caymanians except when they stand to gain some legal benefit.
As for not having to recruit any others that assumes that we have the very best expats, and we don’t. There are quite a number that should be replaced.
There is no such thing as a "native Caymanian". "Caymanian" is merely a sub-national immigration device and a political construct of the 1960’s.
Wrong, ignoramus. “Native” means “a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth”. Obviously there are native Caymanians and you know perfectly well who we mean.
The remark about a construct of the 1960s further shows your ignorance. Cayman has been a distinct society since it was first settled in the late 1600s with our own customs, diet etc. Caymanians have always been Caymanians. They were never English, never Jamaican.
you’re too green
So who are those lazy people with that sense ofentitlement that you expats are always degrading? Can’t be Caymanians coz Caymanians don’t exist so they are definitely ‘lazy, sense of entitlement’ expats coz expats exist.
Your sense of entitlement tells you that you are entitled to be Caymanian though
So when does a Caymanian become a native Caymanian, is it with the first child born of someone given Status or is it the first child of that child or the third, fourth generation? We are now in that situation where some of our most prominent people came here and gained status, their children are now shaping the laws and their grandchildren but to read many of these comments these people are not native Caymanians. Guess what there is no such thing as a native Caymanian, at some point in time these islands were void of humans. Just curious as to what generation you have to be of to be Caymanian.
A Caymanian is someone who has lived on Cayman long enough to no longer be identified as an expat by other Caymanians. For some that means there are only 20 real Caymanians. Obviously what the LAW says does not apply. Also what is obvious is that real Caymanians don’t care to much about laws. Just look to the “Premeir” Caymanian to see what has been chosen as the ideal Caymanian. Explains a lot.
Apparently it is the same test as for "wizards", "muggles" and "mudbloods" in Harry Potter.
Well, let me help you out with that and give you an education. According to Oxford English Dictionary the first meaning of “native” is “a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth”. So, obviously there is such a thing as native Caymanians. Of course, for all of your posturing you alway knew perfectly well who we mean by “native Caymanians”. But I understand – you’re purpose is to try to confuse the issue and obscure rather than acknowledge the problem.
No country the size of ours could possibly be expected to absorb the number of expats we have here as Mr. Bullman suggests. Given the fact that we have over 21,000 persons on work permits here and only 32,000 Caymanians (15,000 Caymanians voters) it would take a mere 10 years before expats would completely outnumber Caymanians and control the country.
No one with reason could expect that would be correct. Mr. Theo Bullman your thinking is totally illogical.
Do the numbers…..Our situation is the equivalent of having 400 million expats in the USA on permits and becoming Americans within 10 years. The existing 350 million Americans would not even consider the thought. The same with the UK, imagine having 100 million foreigners workers( from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Caribbean and Africa) in the UK overshadowing the existing 62 million residents and soon to become citizens. Mr. Bullman would be the first to charge to Heathrow to hold the gates.
We are the Cayman Islands, 100 square miles, 15,000 voters. We can only absorb a few. We are absorbing the best and the most knowledgeable. Those who INTEGRATE and contribute. The rest are in fact no more and no less than Guest workers. Happy to have you here but yes, we expect you to leave at rollover time.
you are just saying that the ‘existing 350 million americans’ would not even consider the thought. have you thought how many of those 350 million have arrived in america since say 1970? I’m not so sure the great majority of recent immigrants to the us are against further immigration.
Really. Ask the Cubans at Miami immigration
“have you thought how many of those 350 million have arrived in america since say 1970?”
1. Yes.That is the point. It is a relatively small fraction. In the DECADE 1970-1979 the total number of legal immigrants was a mere 424,820, for 1980-1989 it was 624,438, for 1990-1999 it was 977,540 and for 2000-2009 it was 1,029,943. Even when you take the illegal immigrants into account the total number of foreign born residents in the U.S. as at 2009 was a relatively small 13%. In other words there is no comparison whatsoever Had it been faced with Cayman’s immigration issues there would have been a complete meltdown.
2. 1970 was 41 years ago.
no surprises here, I can see the argument and the transition of too many "fresh Caymanians" would cause social upheavel.
Personally though I feel like I’m in hell, I’m due to be rolled in less than a month and I can tell you it is no fun trying to rent your house in the current market, move your kids to another school for a year to a place they have never called home and they really don’t understand why. and then there is the financial strain.
I am sorry for your plight, but when people come here they need to be aware of our policies and make proper plans for the future outcome of their tenure. ROLLOVER.
Caymanians need to consider that this is EXACTLY what the current expats are doing. They consider the rollover and the fact that they will be leaving, and:
-spend as little as possible, and save for home
-invest nothing locally
-stay portable and stay ready to leave
-grow no roots
and they know that:
-if they can’t live with that they shouldn’t come
-if they are here already and can’t live with the uncertainly, they need to go home (or anywhere else) now at a time of their own choosing
Now Caymanians have a right to decide to do this, but they can’t then complain that expats don’t have the long-term good of Cayman in mind (you want us that way) or that the money is drying up. It’s as you want it.
I am Caymanian and we are resilient people, always have been. We will adjust to expats reducing their spending habits overtime, their resources aren’t the mainstay of this economy, maybe they think it is because of their numbers. I have made adjustments personally and within my business because of the slowdown in the local economy. Are you aware that most expats (mainly lower and middle class) repatriate a large portion of their money to their home country to support their families; I call this the exportation of the ‘Cayman Islands GDP’. Therefore, the countries benefit from them is not as great as you would think.
Have you ever heard about ‘The Islands Time Forgot’ we have come a long way sense those days. We need to plan for the future very careful ensuring the balance all aspects of our society. Some expats have our Country and way of life at heart most don’t. They don’t even want to associate with anything Caymanian, I have experienced this personal many times.
I hate to tell you this, but the younger generations of Caymanians want nothing to do with you vision of Cayman. They will not adjust to a more austere way of life. The crime we are seeing now is proof of that. This society has long lost its sense of values and if you take away the prosperity, you’re going to have something that will be shockingly ugly. The rich white expats will be long gone at that point, and so will many Caymanians. But don’t worry – you’ll still have a lot of the lower and middle class expats who got status around, so there will still be someone to blame.
The young criminals want to be criminals. There is no excuse for crime
I think you make a good point
Caymanians re also feeling hell
This is a simple problem to solve.
Any rollover person, wishing to use the ‘shorter’ break be it one month, three months or six months… must upon their return sign a form stating that they accept and agreewith the Governments position that said break will not legally be challenged by the applicant at some future date.
No applicant will be required to sign it and can simply wait the one year period… so there is no duress or pressure to sign.
There ya have it, a perfectly legal and binding situation allowing for a shorter rollerover with any legal challenges.
you saying it’s perfectly legal doesn’t mean that it is actually perfectly legal.
He just trying to fool Sherri since he is so smart
Who ya think ya foolin’? Human rights bro — human rights but we know. Try again.
I am of the opinion that Mrs. Cowans is not only the co-chairperson of the UDP but is also one of their legal advisors. If this is in fact correct, shouldn’t the premier check things with her before publicly announcing some of his pie-in-the-sky plans. The premier has told the world that he plans to reduce the rollover time from one year to one month (even though he originally proposed TWO years when he passed the rollover policy in early 2005), yetthe UDP’s co-chair is publicly telling us that she cannot guarantee that “a reduced gap would stand a courtroom test.” Shouldn’t she have advised her premier of this BEFORE he embarrassed himself once again, or at the very least shouldn’t he have checked with her BEFORE he made a fool of himself once again? Some people will never learn.
Born free: and you have never made statements thart you were not certain of?…lay off the man.
You begining to sound like the Rebuds, nothing Obama says or does is valid for America.
Funny you should say that because it is a fact that nothing NObama says or does is valid for America, he has totally XXXXXX the country up with his socialist beliefs!
By the way, I do not deny that I have made statements that were not correct, but I will say in all honesty that if I was in the position of the premier & had advisors at my service I would at least get their advice before making public statements. And you cannot deny that it would help him to do the same, just check & see how many annoncements he has made in the last 18 months & then had to back-track & do a complete reversal on his announced proposal! That is embarrassing, don’t you think?
I have no problem with the rollover policy but I do have a problem with the system that they are using to grant Caymanian status to individuals. If she is really worried about the drain on the government in the future by those that they have to give status to, then she should take a more serious look at the way these grants are given. I know of one individual that was just granted status and will almost assuredly be in need of government assistance when she is older. She has no education as such, does not participate in the community, has no real pension to speak of and will have to work until she is 70, her words not mine, to receive her social security from the U.S. in the amount of approx $1500 and we all know you can not live in Cayman on that kind of money. I believe that owning property and living here for many years doesn’t really make you a Caymanian and it should not be the reason you receive status. Becoming part of the community, volunteering, contributing, getting to know what Cayman is all about, it’s rich history is what makes you Caymanian. These too should count towards the granting of status.
That’s an incredible story, I who own properties in Cayman which bring in a decent amount of rental income that could sustain me and my wife so we wouldn’t need to work, in addition to over 200K in savings half of which is in a Cayman Bank as well as a decent retirement plan and we can’t even get Cayman Status. Funny how these decisions are made.
rollover is killing caymans economy and society day by day…..
You try owning some sort of business as a Caymanian for the last 20 or 30 years, now find out how many status grants that have ran to get their Trade and Business License.
This is absolute madness, take away that criteria (you only need to be a Caymanian to own a Trader and Busuness License) and lets see how many will still want to stay.
The rollover has especially given great opportunities back to the Business owners in the Construction Industry for sure.I say it works well for Caymanians, it were design for their prosperity.
It would seem the Premier disagrees: "If Premier McKeeva Bush has his way, the length of time foreign nationals would have to leave the Cayman Islands after reaching their term limit will be reduced to one month."
http://www.compasscayman.com/caycompass/2010/09/20/Bush-supports-30-day-rollover-break/
O please!
And who do you think got her appointed and made chair of the Board??? Who was the one who suggested the one month, but saw the country’s economic development of most importance, and hence had her appointed to be chair???
http://centos6-httpd22-php56-mysql55.installer.magneticone.com/o_belozerov/31115drupal622/headline-news/2010/11/18/new-chair-wp-board
Then why is she saying one thing and the Premier another? I’m just going by what they SAID.
I would like for you to explain why their are two versions of "one truth".
fooled ya
OK. Let’s give it a test. The present roll over after seven years is a major factor in the greatly reduced business confidence and failing economy of the country.
So what is the cause of the mess in Ireland, UK and US? Must be rollover.
Thumbs down = expats. Thumbs up = Caymanians.
Proves one thing — too many expats so rollover necessary.
You failed test!
Well said Theo, even though CNS got your surname wrong.
easy, scrap the 7 year roll over and if anyone want to become a paper Caymanian then they have to stay and live cayman for 12 years.
What a genius. They should have had you chairing that Immigration Review Team. Obviously you have no clue about the issue.