Delivery man abducted
(CNS): Updated with descriptions –Police have now released descriptions of the three men who abducted a cigarette delivery driver on Friday in West Bay. They are also asking the public and business owners to be on the lookout for the cigarettes that they believed will be sold unofficially and to contact West Baydetectives if they have any information. The three men who abducted and robbed the 42-year-old driver and his van from outside Joe & Ima’s Way Side Store in Boatswain Bay at gun point at around 11am are described as about 5’8" in height, medium build, brown complexion, about 5’7" in height, slim build, dark complexion and about 5’1" in height, slim build, dark complexion and described as having ‘red’ eyes.(Photo Dennie Warren Jr)
The cigarettes stolen in the robbery were Vogue, Rothmans, Benson and Hedges, Craven A, Newport, Dunhill and Kool. A quantity of Skoal and Copenhagen chewing tobacco was also taken. Detective Sergeant Dave Morrison is appealing for anyone who has information about cigarettes being sold unofficially, or who has been offered cigarettes for sale, to contact the police immediately.
"If you have any information about cigarettes or tobacco being sold unofficially we want to hear from you," he said adding that anyone who bought stolen property was committing a criminal offence.
The abduction and robbery took place on Friday 25 February when the delivery man was abducted at gunpoint. The suspects came from behind the store, threatened him and forced their way into his van. They drove him to the Salt Creek dykes area where they transferred a quantity of cigarettes and cash from his van into a white Ford E350 or E250 boxed shaped vehicle. The suspects then drove off, leaving the victim and his van in Salt Creek where he was found by police officers a short time later.
Anyone with information about the cigarettes or the incident should contact West Bay CID on 949-3999 or the confidential Crime Stoppers number 800-8477(TIPS).
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How can you expect the police to effectively fight crime when they are unarmed? Nightsticks don’t work against guns. Train your police to use weapons and arm them. Everyone is quick to criticize the police, but I don’t blame them. Why don’t the complainers go run after armed and dangerous empty-handed…
In response to “How can you expect the police”
The police do have guns, they are just incompetent!
Agreed!
The Police must be getting short on YELLOW TAPE by now…come on Cayman you know who these thugs are..report in miami to Cayman Crimestoppers- no name needed, just a number if you want to claim the money later on.
Our police are ineffective and unarmed. When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
Thugs have weapons, we have nothing.
According to Anonymous Fri. 18:21:
“You think people dont know who is doing these robberies? They do, but they don’t care.”
There you go. Go fish.
If we Caymanians are so serious about reducing crime, then we must be prepared to turn in our cousins and brothers when they act up. I’m sure you know who these punks are but are happy to turn the other way and make excuses because the proceeds of crime pays the light bill
Joe Enas in Boatswain Bay? – far as i no Joe Enas is 1 building away from West Bay police station…prob too embarrassing for them to admit
Wrong Store. Joe & Ima’s (as it says in the article), not Joe Ena’s.
"Joe & Ima’s" not Joe Enas….2 completely different stores
The article clearly says Joe and Ima’s not Joe Ena’s. They are two seprate places..
I guess you didn’t read the report – it stated ” Joe & Ima’s Wayside Store” not Joe Ena’s. Maybe your failure to read create the embarrassment in this store.
A free tip worth following [not just by Sun, 02/27/2011 – 22:21 poster above but. by everyone] – please carefully READ the news article before commenting in the future. Interestingly, paying closer attention to detail could prevent misinformation from spreading like wildfire. Just try it now by reading (again) the news article and you will see that the location of the incident was at (and I quote) "…Joe & Ima’s Way Side Store in Boatswain Bay…"
Read the article again. The small food store is called Joe and Ima’s. It’s not Joe-Ena’s Liquor Store.
It did not happen at Joe Enas but rather at Joe and Ima’s which is in Boatswain Bay.
Read the article before critizising.
Sounds like the delivery man got a good description of the thugs. What would be great is a drawing of their faces.
Face it there is no law and order in Cayman. The police do not enforce the laws in any area they just clean up after everything is done.
There needs to be a real "ball buster" brought into the country to start enforcing the laws. A special drug task force to work independently and focus on crack and cocaine importation and distribution. There is big money involved and everyone’s focus is on the young violent idiots running around with guns the drugs continue to move in and out of the country.
Set up an armed squad to seek out these guns, their importation and who currently has them.
Traffic law enforcement. Ticket cars parked in handicap zones, ticket cars with the illegal window tint, with the illegal blue lights, the maniac bus and taxi drivers and the racers going down Spotts Shamrock raceway at 100mph.
It’s fun to dream.
This is the problem!
Everybody knows this for a long time and nobody did anything.
Who do you suggest should be the ‘ball buster’- this is not the movies. The hero is not gonna bust these little Islands and hey I’m here…….and everything is going to be ok now.
You have someone to do that….does the previous Governor of California have a job right now?
Let me clarify my use of the term "ball buster", in using this off color term I suggest a person who will not shy away from confrontation, someone who is very clear about duties and responsibilities and the proper delegation of authority. Someone who will see all of the laws are enforced and followed by local and expat alike regardless of what your family name is or who you know. Someone who will expect a level of professionalism and if that is not followed then the person is replaced forthwith.
Like it or not there is a fair portion of the population who expect special treatment by the RCIP for whatever reason.
I liken it to the dismal condition of the US 3rd Army in WW II until General Patton took charge and sorted them out to be the premiere Allied Army in the war.
Oh, the police enforce the Traffic Laws! They hang out in South Sound with their radar guns catching 60 adn 70 year old women travelling at 41 mph. I understand that law is the law and they have broken the law, but please………
Where are they when the suped up civic passes a line of 10 cars travelling at 70 mph, running oncoming traffic off the road….or more recently, a young man on a big suped up bike doing a wheely for hundreds of yards on Linford Pearson Drive passing cars in early morning traffic travelling wellin excell of 60 mph.
Never appeaar to be in the right place at the right time.
Law and Order and Foreign Investment go hand in hand. You can not have one without the other. The reputation of our past is what continues to bring new investment dollars here today. All the premier’s foreign travels are merely a sprinkle on top of the cupcake of hard work done by those who created the offshore financial services here. Sadly we are getting a new reputation for runaway crime. Every story like this gets indexed by Google and the algorithm continues to churn out links for all the world to see. When I search for Cayman in Google, more and more personal-blogs, news-stories and links feature talk of the crime. Just like the reputation of our financial past which lives into the future, this criminal behavior threatens to leave a lasting reputation that is difficult to unwind. Our leaders need to stay home more and work to make this place safe so when visitors leave they speakof the magic, not the crime. I was out last night (Friday) and hardly saw a police car on the Seven Mile Beach corridor. That has changed fundamentally since 2002 when I would sit at Deckers and see random stops for speeding and drink driving. We need more police officers and less overpaid public servants. Somebody needs to make the bold decisions to manage this Country better of the hard work of the past will come unwound to the detriment of all with a stake in this place.
Anybody can look for whatever they want. The results could be and probably would be the same for whatever Island, Islands, Country, Continent you searched on Google.
The results you receive on any internet site are what they are.
Every Country, Island, Continent, life ..has the most beautiful and interesting and wonderful …
Explore the wonderful in your life.
I like 18:21 – basically "we are a Christian country, but if don’t get jobs we are violent criminals"
We need a “zero tolerance” policy on the books immediately. I understand it worked to clean up New York City, it should be able to work here providing the police and legal dept. do what they need to do. Ship the murderers and most violent off to some South American hell hole to make space in Northward if necessary; it’ll be a heck of a lot cheaper than what it’s costing us to house them here and we kill two birds with one stone. Enough with the bleeding hearts already; these bloody thugs are destroying this country.
There is not really any credible criminological evidence that zero tolerance policies have any meaningful effect on crime levels. The falls in the US at that time appear more a result of increased police expenditure and the long term effects of the liberalisation of abortion laws.
This isn’t new. It’s just bigger. Nobody did anything then and nobody is doing any thing now.
Why?
People have already been bought off a long time ago.
Now you are just waking up? The Government is still not doing anything.
Yes, start at the bars…..what work permits do these ladies have when they are not bar servers?
Why are the Police not closing down for Illegal Prostitution and Human Trafficking?
Zero tolerance is just a stupid buzz phrase created by marketeers. Tell me when there should be any tolerance at all? It like saying ‘forward plan’ you can only plan forwards not backwards. It is an attempt by the ‘spin doctors’ to hide what is really happening. The RCIPS should just do their job that we pay them to do and be accountable for it. Stop this foolishness of creating revenue by standing on street corners checking license coupons and be pro-active in crime stopping, undercover and presence of police. The crooks need to fear justice, but they don’t here because of inneffective policing.
The commissioner and the governor needs to show the public their crime strategic policy sooner than later. if it comes too later everyone, good citizens and all will have to rob and steal to survive. Caymanian march or do something to get everyone responsible for crime on the same page.
A delivery man abducted? In Cayman? What is going on? And what is the premier doing about it apart from talking & blaming others? Oh yeah, that’s right, he’s travelling the world as usual “bringing foreign investment into the country” (yeah, right! What a failure that has been). He is quick to blame others but cannot shoulder his responsibility, what a joke. Crime has never been worse & the premier is always in the clouds. Something has to change soon.
Why do you think McKeeva is God with some magic power to catch criminals and get rid of crime. He is not in charge of the forces that are legally charged to do this. It is the Governor and moreso the Police Commissioner who are in charge.
Why don’t you ask what the Police Commissioner is doing? The PPM and the UDP government have given this Police Commissioner and the one before all they ever wished for in terms of resources including cars, boats and even a helicopter. Neither, Police Commissioner has been successful at even slowing the rate of crime. Sooner or later, we have to come to grips with the fact that throwing some 30-60 million dollars at an ineffective police force is not worth it. We would have been better to stand on the corner of a street in George town and hand it out to those in need. The police force is a farce and we are not getting value for all the money spent.
The Governor has to be more firm with the Police Commissioner in terms of results. If I was hired to do a job and I kept failing, I would either quit or i would be fired. The Commissioner has got to stop talking, blaming the United States and complaining about how much money he has and get down to the serious business of policing. He is not a politician running for office and he is in charge of the police and he needs to start acting like it
McKeeva as well as Alden need to be making more noise to the Governor and complaining about the situation but unfortunately my friends, they can do absolutely nothing but that, make noise..Hopefully someone in charge will hear
Anon 07:16, it is funny how you are now blaming the Governor & the commissioner saying that it them in charge of crime, but when the PPM was the government & Mckeeva Bush was blaming them for all the crime we did not hear a peep or a boo out of you or anyone else then to “inform” us that it was not the PPM in charge but “the governor & the commissioner” as you are now claiming. Funny how things change, isn’t it Anon 07:16 you silly little girl child. “What is good for the goose is good for the gander” so I blame Mckeeva Bush just as he blamed the PPM, so get with it child. Mckeeva Bush wants to play the game therefore he must take the blame, & if can’t take the pressure then he should GET OUT! He is always blaming others but himself.
you think this is a game?!!!. I hope you are the only person on this island who considers the safety of our people to be a game. what’s the reward for winning?
What are you doing?
‘The Governor has to be more firm with the Police Commissioner in terms of results. If I was hired to do a job and I kept failing, I would either quit or i would be fired. The Commissioner has got to stop talking, blaming the United States and complaining about how much money he has and get down to the serious business of policing. He is not a politician running for office and he is in charge of the police and he needs to start acting like it
McKeeva as well as Alden need to be making more noise to the Governor and complaining about the situation but unfortunately my friends, they can do absolutely nothing but that, make noise..Hopefully someone in charge will hear ‘
So what are you doing…..do something then!!! Complaining is good if you can follow up with action!!! So do something!!!!
The police can solve crimes they cannot stop crimes being committed. If we look at the recent pages of CNS it certainly looks as though the polcie are making headway – the arrests over the tourist robbery for example. We cannot have a policeman on every street corner, and crime is a symptom of wider social problems that it is the responsibility of society to solve rather than the police or the governor. We have lots of posts blaming politicians, governors polcie commissioners or whatever. How many actually blame the people commiting the crimes? Our education system is a joke, qualifications of many young Caymanians are laughable compared to those of most other Carribbean countries, never mind the US and Europe. Until our education is improved these people will never get jobs, and if they don’t get jobs, and have no feeling of self-worth, crime will be a problem. Crime is the symptom, and police are not a prophelactic, they’re a treatment. The polcie cannot stop problems before they start, but they can deal with things after the event – and from what we see, iot seems that this commissioner is making a difference. CNS, what about a story on arrest rates in the present year?
ANON Sun 11:06
I take you point
I think the approach we too often take for our Caymanian people is that we think that we don’t deserve the best for whatever reason…I.e. we are not world class and we don’t deserve the best jobs so we will settle with the trickle down jobs and that should be good enough for our people. B.S. I say the objective of our leaders should be to steer the people and say our people are the best even if they have to lie…belief kills and belief cures and if we highlight the success and the intelligence of our people instead of always looking at the rusty then our people will truly recognize how great they are and how great of a country we have.
Losing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne
Give Caymanians jobs. You think people dont know who is doing these robberies? They do, but they dont care. All these delivery jobs have foreigners driving and delivering. Every Caymanian can drive give them a job and I believe this will slow down.
Regrettably delivery jobs don’t pay enough for these thugs expectations they just want to be ceo’s or deal illegally to earn enough cash for their merc’s
and they’re going to fingerprint permit holders to reduce crime
straight from the horses mouth
Are they going to fingerprint Caymanian’s to reduce crime????
Surely Caymanians have to *want* those jobs before they can just be ‘given’ them?
Hogwash; these individuals does not know the term “by the sweat of your brow you shall eat bread”. If you put a job on a silver platter and give them, they wouldn’t want it. These are criminals; have no interest in obtaining a job. The only how we will see change, is by the Government allowing business owners to arm and protect themselves: then when these losers start dropping like flies, then we will see change. This has nothing to do with Caymanians wanting jobs; these are thugs and nothing more.
I agree 100 % with what you said. This is the ONLY way to stop crime because the criminals willnot have the upper hand then and they don’t want to die either. I hope this happens soon before it’s too late.
The major flaw in your argument is that it is not supported by the evidence. The US arms its police, and do you seriously suggest that criminals in that country don’t carry guns? We have a gang problem on our islands, and once one gang member has a gun, they all have them as they don’t believe they can defend themselves otherwise, and how many gang murders have there been? Guns are not the solution, they are the problem. Until we educate a class of young Caymanian who does not want to kill another human being, you will have these problems. We must fix our society, not waste money arming policemen which will do nothing to solve the problems. Name one jurisdiction that has armed police officers, armed civilians and a zero rate of gun crime, zero rate of theft, zero rate of murder. Once you can do that, then you might convince me. You can’t provide an example however, because they don’t exist.
Firstly, one of the major flaws in your argument is that you also believe you can stop all crime, if only we could educate people. News flash: you cannot stop all crime, it can only be reduced.
Secondly, you wrongly believe that guns are the problem. So, let me tell you about a study I conducted a few years ago. At the time, I placed a firearm on a table and left it there for four hours to see what it would do. And it didn’t do a thing, ZERO! As a result, the conclusion of the study was that guns are inanimate (lifeless) objects.
Therefore, by deductive reasoning, and in relation to the misuse of firearms, I determined that-
1. since firearms are lifeless they cannot murder people; they cannot rob the sales representatives and owners of businesses…
2. it is foolish for a living and educated person to even suggest that lifeless objects (firearms) can do anything.
3. some living person will have to misuse a firearm before it could unlawfully discharge a bullet or shot. FYI: a “bullet” is a single projectile discharged from a single cartridge (9mm…), while “shot” refers to multiple projectiles which are discharged from a single shot shell (12Ga…).
4. where firearms were misused by living people, instead of lifeless people, to commit murder…, that only a living person could be responsible for misusing a firearm to murder some other living person.
5. if the lifeless firearm was responsible for murder, as our liberal friends suggest, then the RCIPS is being negligent in their duties for not recommending to the AG that he press charges against those lifeless firearms.
Since there are no unarmed jurisdictions where with a zero crime rate either, to better understand one of the reasons why the RCIPS is ineffective against violent crime, one needs to read the following facts: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-406394/Police-car-dummies-let-500-000-jewel-thieves-escape.html
Lastly for the sake of time, by deductive reasoning and in relation to the proper and lawful use of firearm, I further reasoned that where lifeless firearms were properly and lawfully used by a living person, no harm is done to society.
Sorry for having to state the obvious, but our liberal friends just get can’t get it.
Well, that’s a very impressive post, that absolutely fails to answer the points raised in my post. If guns are the solution to the problem, why does America have the violent crime rate that it does? 1997 figures show total gun deaths per 100,000 population in the UK as 0.57, wheras in the US it is 14.57. 25 times higher, or 2556% more! Do you claim that Americans are naturally more homicidal or suicidal than the British, or do you think perhaps it’s because the UK has tighter gun control rules. Answer my question – if the US has armed police, why is that country’s gun crime rate so high? According to your theory, armed police would reduce crime, not increase it. That argument is as stupid as suggesting the death penalty should be used as a deterrent for drug dealers. Look at the gangs we have here, and the number of gang members that have met very unpleasant ends. If death was a deterrent people would get out of the gangs, and get out of the business of carrying guns pretty quick, but they haven’t. What we need is strong leadership from the police, and say what you want, the impression given by the news stories of late is that those people committing crimes stand a much better chance of being caught. THAT is a deterrent, people will run the risk of a robbery if they think they’lll get away with it, if, however, you are stood alone in a room because all of your friends have been arrested and sent to Northwood, then maybe you have cause to reconsider your life chocies. If not – you will get caught and imprisoned. Life in Northwood should be hard, these people should work, but if we don’t want them to come out and commit crimes, we have to either lock them up for ever, or come up with a way of making these people employable on their release.
Enough of the gun argument, you cannot support your position, and your argument that guns are inanimate objects is pathetic. Ask any soldier which weapon he would prefer to kill a man with and he will tell you a gun because it’s less personal. When you stick a knife in someone, that is up close and personal, and is NOT easy to do. Shooting someone is.
Re: "your argument that guns are inanimate objects is pathetic."
You’re simply unwillingness to accept the basic facts, namely that-
1.firearms are lifeless;
2.lifeless firearms cannot murder anyone; and,
3.lawfully used firearms do no harm to society
However, you have unknowingly admitted that I’ll correct, when you said: “Ask any soldier which weapon he would prefer to kill a man with…”. Yes, it is the SOLDIER who DOES the killing, not the firearm, because firearms are lifeless.
Following your logic that lifeless firearms are the problem, the RCIPS would have to conclude that it is possible for dead (lifeless) criminals to still be committing crimes. Smh
I’ll deal with the issue of crime rates after you accept these basic facts.
I’m afraid that I have ‘unknowingly admitted’ you are correct in no way, shape or form. I think about what I am posting, and actually wish to engage in a serious debate, not just repeat a mantra over and over. Presumably you would claim that Cocaine is not harmful unless it is consumed, or having a big pile of nuclear material sat at the dump isnot dangerous unless people go near it? These things, and guns, are inherently more dangerous than, say, a cuddly bear, or indeed a DSLR camera. If you will admit to that then I have no problem accepting points 1 & 2, point 3 is however mendacious in the extreme. How many school shootings has america witnessed that were carried out with legally owned guns? Nor do I accept that legally armed firearms do no harm – put a loaded gun on a table next to most young men and, sooner or later,they’ll have to pick it up and have a go. Then when they’re not happy shooting at tin cans, it’ll be birds, and then when birds no longer amuse them it’ll be a stray dog… this is what happens – it makes it easy for people and any serious crime study will show you that. Now, I have conceded some of your points, please answer some that I have raised in my previous post:
1. If legally owned guns are the solution to the problem, why does America have the violent crime rate that it does?
2. If the US has armed police, why is that country’s gun crime rate so high?
3. If death was a deterrent people would get out of the gangs, and get out of the business of carrying guns pretty quick, but they haven’t. Why?
I am, in all seriousness, interested to learn your point of view on these three questions.
You raise some questions I want to answer, but before I do, I need to better understand your perspective.
Re: wish to engage in a serious debate, not just repeat a mantra.”
Then you should lead by example, because your anti-firearm mantra is clear.
Re: “Presumably you would claim that Cocaine is not harmful unless it is consumed, or having a big pile of nuclear material sat at the dump is not dangerous unless people go near it? These things, and guns, are inherently more dangerous than, say, a cuddly bear, or indeed a DSLR camera. If you will admit to that then I have no problem accepting points 1 & 2”
Since you want to expressly say that: “firearms are lifeless” and that:” lifeless firearms cannot murder anyone,” why not just say so? Yes, cocaine is harmless until someone misuses it. I’ve been to the GT Dump twice now to photograph the destruction of a variety of illegal drugs – without being killed by them, even though I was near to them. Try that with nuclear material!
I stand right next to firearms regularly, in fact I touch them, and if that is not enough I hold them and even discharge hundreds of bullets or shots from them regularly, and never have those lawfully used firearms killed me or anyone else.
Re: “point 3 is however mendacious in the extreme.”
What are the reasons why you feel that my saying: “lawfully used firearms do no harm to society” is mendacious?
Unless you’re a criminal, the Firearms Law already allows you to own firearms for defense. For example, Section 18(1)(a) of the Cayman Islands Firearms Law (2008 Revision) reads: “No person shall discharge any firearm on or within forty yards of any public road or in any public place except in the lawful protection of his person or property or of the person or property of some other person.”
There are certain criminal attacks which the RCIPS cannot protect you against, because unlike you police officers will most likely not present during any attack which may happen, so it would be up to you to defend yourself… Sorry for explaining the obvious.
Call me if you require any how to info.
Just hope you all see how many foreign thumbs down to giving Caymanians a job. Some political team will pay for it next year I am sure.
Jobs are awarded to people not just given. All these Caymanians have licenses and also probably a police record which doesn’t make them wanted. Either way if they wanted jobs don’t you think they would be out trying to get one instead of robbing people?
10:09 Please dont go there about Caymanians have a police record, because the foreign people that come here and get jobs pay for a clean police record. Some of them are even murderers, which when I have heard some of their country men make remark and say “But how he get Cayman? when he was in prison for murder.
And even if Caymanians have a police record it is their Country it is not yours so kindly watch what you say.
As a Brit I can assure you it is part of my country.
Sometimes I wonder whether they are forgetting that Cayman is part of the UK.
A job position is earned, you are not entitled to that position just because your Caymanian. For so many years growing up here, I’ve heard this conversation being mentioned. Caymanians don’t want the jobs where there’s actual labour work involved, they want the top jobs, skip the middle ladder and go right to the top.
I agree, these driving jobs should be filled by Caymanians, but you won’t have any stepping up and applying for the job.
I am not defending any previously made comment, but just to let you know, the Cayman Islands NOT a "part of the UK".
I wonder what planet these three posters are from?
Please stop the poor me attitude. There is jobs out there to be had, just not enough people that want to WORK for a living. Its easier to sit on your duff and talk the tlak but when it comes to getting the job they have no clue. Its the fault of the last generation of parents that allowed their children to get what ever they wanted and not contribute to it. So today, we pay the price, abductions, armed robberies ETC, God help us.please dont blame Mac or Alden they are not to blame for your lazy a** children, its you, so step up and do whats right, turn them in to the law.
Oh what tangle web we weave, only to deceive – What’s wrong with these thugs when they should be working to collect their money on a Friday instead of abducting this poor delivery man.