BT landfill EIA published
(CNS): Despite the dwindling political support for the proposal by the Dart Group to relocate Grand Cayman’s landfill to Bodden Town the firm has published the Environmental Statement in relation to the project for public comment. The details of the EAB, which was conducted by Cardno ENTRIX who were paid by Dart, are now public and the department of environment officials are asking for comment on the findings. The draft statement is the written report of the EIA process and provides a technical based evaluation of potential environmental impacts from the controversial proposed waste-management project. The EIA claims however, not to have identified any significant environmental impacts that cannot be addressed.
“Residual impacts anticipated were limited to intermittent odor issues that may occur based on weather conditions, an increase in noise levels along Bodden Town Road in proximity to the Project, and minor (non-measurable) impacts from stormwater discharges,” the report finds in its summary. “In consideration of residual odor control, the phasing of landfill construction is proposed to occur in a south to north progression. This phasing of construction will decrease the potential for odor impacts over time, as the distance between active landfill cells and existing development increases.”
The publication of the environmental statement on the proposed project comes in the wake of revelations by the former UDP representative in Bodden Town, Dwayen Seymour that he was not supporting the initiative. AlthoughSeymour had appeared to offer his backing for the controversial decision which was set to form part of a deal government made with the Dart Group to close the GT landfill and open a new waste-management facility in Bodden Town on Thursday voluntarily revealed that he had never been in favour of the move.
With the new UDP candidates also looking as though they are taking a different position on the proposal and all of the independent candidates and the PPM vehemently opposed to plan the project is now looking increasingly less likely to go ahead.
The full document and relevant appendices relating to the environment statement however are now available for all to see on the DoE site or a hard copy can be reviewed at the following locations: can be reviewed at the Government Office Building, Elgin Avenue, George Town, Bodden Town Public Library, Bodden Town Post Office and George Town Public Library.
Comments on the Draft ES must be submitted in writing over the next three weeks up to 29 April either during the two open house sessions later this month, electronically via e-mail to doe@gov.ky, mailed to Department of Environment, P.O. Box 10202, Grand Cayman KY1-1002, or hand delivered to the department at the Environmental Centre, 580 North Sound Road, George Town, Grand Cayman.
Two Open House sessions are being provided to inform the public about the EIA Process and invite comments on the ES. Representatives from Cardno ENTRIX, the Proponent and the EAB will be available at both sessions to provide information and receive comments concerning the Draft ES. These sessions will occur on Wednesday, April 17, at the Bodden Town Civic Center and on Thursday, April 18 at the Elmslie Memorial United Church. The sessions open at 5pm with the formal presentation starting at 7pm.
See the report here
Category: Science and Nature
A good plan, but too bad a private company like Dart won't be running the new proposed WMF. With CIG's track record on management of solid waste it is not likely that the operations plan will be implemented as it was designed. The first instance infrastructure breakdown at the new WMF will most likely lead to a domino effect and eventual contamination of the surrounding environment. Just look at what happened to the lined Little Cayman Landfill constructed in 1993. Anyone know why the liner was purposely punctured or why it is set on fire routinely? Acts of God? I think not. So this just goes to show that in all probability CIG will not responsibly run the new WMF.
I have seen up close and personal WTE plants and incinerators in other countries that operate on comparable volumes of solid waste as Cayman has. Some of these plants are adjacent to high density residential and commercial zones and as such their operation and emissions limits are strictly controlled. I beg the question why Dart cannot cap the existing dump and joint venture with CIG on a new WTE plant or Cogen retrofitable incinerator on the existing GTLF site. This will ensure the new operation is run responsibly and alleviate any probable contamination of pristine habitat.
Re "I beg the question why Dart cannot cap the existing dump and joint venture with CIG on a new WTE plant or Cogen retrofitable incinerator on the existing GTLF site":
Whilst there may be some money in that for Dart from the sale of electricity to CUC, most lkely there is substantially more money in them moving the dump andbuilding on their adjacent land. The cynic in me does not think Dart is doing this out of the goodness of their corporate heart.
"probability CIG will not responsibly run…."
Is there anything that the CIG is responsible about? Nope, didn't think so.
A Waste-to-Energy plant on the existing dump will create massive problems.
1. Mining the dump will mean having to open it up and the stench will be stomach churning.
2. The huge chimmeny stack needed will blight the skyline and the ash will flow directly into Parkway, Seven Mile Beach and Cruise Ships
3. It will take YEARS to mine the dump and god know's what's down there.
NO. The brightest enviromental minds that looked at Cayman with a clean sheet of paper and as this report clearly indicates the new waste management facility located, as far as I can see in Pease Bay – not Bodden Town, is the most logical and ecological place to put it.
Would you question your doctor or dentist? Your lawyer or electrician…No. Professional advice is exactly that PROFESSIONAL. The report speaks for itself.
I have read the report completely and I can honestly say that it is the most thorough and exacting document I have read. Taking into account all considerations.
As many other people have said this is a CAYMAN PROBLEM. Keeping the dump where it is is killing us, our children and our livelihoods. The propsal to cap the dump and turn it into a park is fantastic. It beautifies something that is an eyesore. The location of the new waste management facility is accessable from the main GT- East End road. Would these people complain that by having more tourists visit Cayman and drive to Rum Point?
A waste to energy plant on the GTLF site would not necessitate mining the dump. What are you thinking, ormore to the point what were you told??? And ash from a WTE??? Stack gasses pass through electrostatic filters in modern WTE plants, where would the ash come from? Oh I forgot, GIG would be running it, they might turn off the filters at night to save power. LOL.
WTE plants produce ash and particals even with electrostatic filters – which by the reduce the power output considerably and reduce the cost/benefit ratio.
Also consider the view of a 120ft stack sticking up in the middle of our tourist zone – not pretty at all.
Just for your information to incinerate the daily garbage production and mix in the wet old waste at a ratio of approx 85% new waste to 15% old waste will take about 15-20 years to mine the GT Dump. You can't burn wet waste it has to be mixed with new dry garbage.
I don't think the people of GT and SMB are going to be happy with the rotten vile smell for the next 15-20 years!!
Well, what in the hell do you suppose should be done with Trashmore? Do you really think that a mound of methane-producing trash can beCAPPED? Really? It should be mitigated in place. The only alternative — and not a smart one — is to truck the trash to the three open pits that Dart is proposing being dug in BT.
Insanity. Out of sight, not my problem, right?
Mount Trashmore would be spread out to reduce the height of the dump and layered with soil and a membrane to prevent water filtering down through the waste material and into the water table. Methane will need to piped out, as is the case on all waste facilities.
There is no space left at GT Dump to mitigate in place as we continue to place ever more garbage onto the site and mining the site will open up even more problems.
Cayman needs to address recycling in a modern way. To reuse as much as 85% of our garbage can be recycled or reused. The lined pits, as you put it, would not contain the same waste as GT Dump and a lot less waste due to recycling. It would ve cleaner and safer.
We need a modern waste management program that supports our island and our people. We have to have a waste facility, the issue is where and how can we do it the most enviromentally safe way. If you have a better idea than the writers of the report – backed with sound knowledge and expterise, then please let us all know!
If I were Mr Dart I would just pull out of this ungrateful place and let the country inplode without the all the jobs and investment created by him.
Guys it is not as if we could lift the dump up and fix things.
The dump was built correclt in the first place.
So your two options would be to move it or to fix it.
Moving it makes more sense.
08.46..I think this is more a problem of Garbage In Garbage Out- if one applies that principle then the most appropriate place for any new dump would appear logically to be the Legislative Assembly…they would not even notice the smell…
At the end of the day, the dump is a collective entity on the island. It belongs to all of us. It is a problem that affects all of us. It cannot stay where it is (or if it can, something needs to be done about its size) and yet everyone is opposed to where it could possibly be moved to. Having our absolutely massive dump so clearly visible from West Bay road and along the bypass and so close to Caymana Bay is not good for our economy. Say what you want about DART, but Caymana Bay is regularly visited by tourists. Visitors to our islands can smell it and see it and it certainly isn't anything attractive. Instead of shooting down every proposal about this problem every single citizen has had a hand in creating we need to offer more compromisable solutions.
The greatest danger to the existing dump is that there is no containment of the effluent which currently sends toxins into the north sound. The data is in this EIA. Everyone should take some time to read this!
Not just the North Sound BUT all the shallow reefs of Georgetown. Easy to see the difference in the last 30 years.
Exactly. So better to go with a plan that fixes the problem rather than puts a bandaid on it. (Cap it and ignore it.)
1. If the dump was so big an issue for Camana Bay, then building Camana Bay next to an existing dump was a foolish move.
2. As a previous poster noted, WTE was sent to Central Tenders, a bid was accpeted in the fair and open tendering process. And if I recall correctly, Dart's bid was either ranked last, or near last. The accepted bid was going to remediate the dump where it is. Seems like a logical process to me.
Do like New York City. Buy a barge, put the garbage on it and dump it 20 miles offshore. Simple.
Yeah, that would do wonders for our dive sites and the ocean.
The City of New Yourk certainly does not do this. Trucks are sent to land fill sites in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolona etc.
Wrong
Reminder to all:
The dump problem was put out to tender about 2 years ago – a number of companies submitted bids – waste to energy plus recycling, on the same site, all funded by the companies themselves and no money required by the Government.
The winning bid was picked, announced – then a few months later Mac turned around and gave it to Dart (without going through the tendering process).
And thats how we got to this situation.
Go back to the Central Tenders Committee!
We were on the right track!
Current site remediation and waste to energy plus recycling on the same site.
The only sensible solution.
Nobody else had the means to get100% of the job done. Cayman needs 100%, 25% or 15% won't cut it…100% containment of the bio and chemical hazards which are leaking out right now!
Except thats not the proposal. "Cap" is not "contain".
It seems a great plan, and it is necessary to move the dump away from the important part of Grand Cayman.
Edited for you. "It seems a great plan for Dart, and it is necessary to move the dump away from the part of Grand Cayman where Dart want to build expensive homes for profit."
Say whatever you want, but West Bay and WB road are more frequently visited by tourists than where the dump would be in Bodden Town is. Regardless of where Dart has set up shop, having the dump remain where it is would be absolutely horrible for tourism – especially when the dump will only continue to get bigger. I'm not saying that there aren't some personal motives to Dart wanting to move the dump away from where it is and out to Bodden Town, but at the end of the day, it will benefit the island as well.
1880+ pages REALLY! Citizens, please note Dart had to do it this way to hide the reasons why it should not be in BT! Wow he must really think we are idiots! I say all the money he has won’t move it so we will all have to deal with it where it is! Out of site out of mind won’t be the happyy ending Dart was planning for!
It's only 300 pages, the rest are appendix.
Put the dump in West Bay where it belongs. Close Boswains Beach and move the workers to the dump.
It was considered but different host geology and need proximity to quarry rock.
We must offer solutions and not simply offer opposition to ideas. That is all too easy. I think it would be hard to find one person among us that would say that doing nothing about the dimp is the best course of action… So let us offer ideas to fix what is a serious problem for Cayman. This is not a DART problem. This is a Cayman problem.. The dump is poisoning Caymanian soil!
…and North Sound, and regional waters.
Why is this back on the table? People of Bodden town doesn’t want it. The politicians that were for it, is now against the move so why are we here again? Mr. Dart the best place for the dump is right where it is. Convert it to energy and sell it to CUC. Alternately barkers is a great place considering you have two corridors to the site and there’s no wetlands to worry about.
LOL this is too funny. Yet another shady deal negotiated in secret that even Jon Jon and Marky Mark didn’t support but lacked the balls to say no and stand up for the residents of BT. Now the Big D trying to tell us that its all good for BT but NOT good enough for Camana Bay ROFLOL
Bodden Towners are the ones who made their district the dump it is today, not Dart or the UDP.
Did anybody really expect any other findings considering the consultants owe their supper to the developer? Yet another sham for Caymanians to deal with
why don't you get your own eia done then??????
It's another case of piece's author wording the decription in such a way to make it seem like there is a conspiracy. Not abnormal for this site.
A good journalist should not use a phrase such as "Paid by Dart", this incinuates it was not a third party review of the situation where the costs of which were covered by the developer. It makes it seem like the author is trying to suggest that the developer tried to pay a company to submit an incorrect document favouring their wishes.
The article should really have said that the company was engaged by Dart, or that an independant authority was consulted by Dart.
Please try to stay somewhat neutral on your stories and stop trying to make it seem like Dart it trying to commit wrong doing in every deal that has been struck with Cayman's already reportedly corrupt government.
OK, just to clarify – who paid for the report? Dart or someone else?
Um, it was paid for by Dart, i.e. how independent can any report be when the person paying for it is the person involved. You can't get more neutral than that. This is the case world over – if you want an assessment of any type done, for it to be credited as credible and independent, the person procuring that report and paying for it should not be involved, or it necessarily infers that those preparing the report will say what the paying party wants them to say. Why the heck do you think so many of us have been repeatedly asking for independent reports on this, the turtle farm and god knows what else? Its all lip service, spin doctors and smoke and mirrors round here, and I for one have had enough of it.
In the history of infrastructure projects, I’ve never heard of anyone paying for someone else’s commissioned project proposal, engineering plan, or EIA. It has literally never happened ever.
Ah, but think of the precedent. If they could get the government to pay for a private developers EIA. Think of the savings for making proposals. It would be like a tax incentive, just since we don't have taxes we won't make you pay for your EIA.
Yes, tut tut CNS! Fancy calling a spade a spade. You should have called it a shovel.
Its just amazing to note how the EIA for the dump can be published yet to date the Value for Money Report on the entire For Cayman Investment Alliance deal by the auditors is still an elusive document.
Talk about tactical releases of information for their benefit, not ours!
Until we know what parcels of the people's land and other concessions are proposed to be traded, and we know what we the people are to receive, then this entire deal and each of its components needs to be placed on hold.
If Dart or CIG have the auditor's report then just release it!
Rushing ahead without the full information in the name of a few temporary jobs is foolhardy for the Cayman Government as if the deal is unequal when it is finalised multimillions in value can be lost and there is NO WAY for the the govt to regain these assets.
Like the old people say CIG needs to take the time and be transparent with the people's assets when they "Measure twice, cut once."
Dart Group has publicly and transparently offered to pick up the tab. Any other angel investor group proposed or positioned to do that? Nope.
If you drive much during the day you’ll know that’s when the heavy trucks are REALLY on the road… Flying up and down at break neck speeds with loads of marl… So scary. Now dump trucks racing East and back all of the time too? Where is OUR fancy new highway? PLEASE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD… U AREN’T DONE YET!
Thank you. Our roads are falling to pieces and clogged with marl trucks from the early hours of every day, especially now that the Shetty project is started there has been a noticeable increase in already heavy flow of marl trucks. No way can our roads take any more of this without some serious money spent on infrastructure first. I note that this report seems to hold the opinion that infrastructure need not be addressed in the immediate future, and I serious doubt the validity of the figures of existing heavy traffic on our roads as purported within this report. If you lived there, you'd know it was a heck of a lot more severe than stated.
I just finished reading the EIA, and now my head hurts.
Make use of the dump…generate energy & get MORE INTO RECYCLING. The ships are back & forth to the states every few days surley they could take recyled items back there! The blatant use of garbage cans & bags is dreadfuk on this Island. People need to be educated….if at all possible!
Voluntary recycling at Camana Bay started with a few drums a few years ago – has grown to a whole line of them in parking lot at Farmer's Market (across from MBE/Digicel.
I don't think you need to involve Shirley in this arguement…
Why would I place any faith in an EIA report funded by an entity that will not be held responsible for what is ultimately erected at the site in question?!
Dart hasonly committed to digging a few very big holes in the ground – is this not correct?
Therefore, regardless of what favorable predictions are made by this EIA, at the end of the day, if the worst is to happen, Dart can simply turn around and say;
"Hey, it wasn't me … they (CIG / other entity) must have built it wrong!"
Leave the national refuse center in its current location and let us address the issue on-site as has been reported to be a viable plan of action.
No one told some clown to erect a multi-billion dollar complex next door to a decades-old "dump".
Furthermore, the logistics, increased heavy road traffic, scope for disaster, noise and emission pollution, costs of transport, etc. will all increase as a result of relocation on the basis of Dart's proposal.
No amount of "family parks" (don't make me laugh Dart – some of us know your international track record – altruism is not your strong point … we can simply refer to the Greeks and Argentines for proof of that) is worth that amount of upheaval and disruption in this tiny island-nation.
– Whodatis
whodatis calling someone a clown????
this is the bottom line…
cayman cannot afford to remediate the dump in its current location.
Hello Clown No. 2,
Re: "this is the bottom line…
cayman cannot afford to remediate the dump in its current location."
Try again after you have actually gained some knowledge on the matter at hand, okay?
Thanks,
– Whodatis
Hey, Pot, it's me, Kettle, want to grab a beer after work today?
or at the new one – so where does that leave us?
Whodatis, you think it is good that the dump stinks up the lower section of Seven Mile Beach? That cruise ships get a birds eye view of our waste and I am sure the millions of cruise ship passengers wonder why would the Cayman people put a dump in the middle of the tourist zone?
You would think its better to stick a huge smoke stack in the middle of the dump and burn off the waste? You would be happy contaminating the air, the surrounding properties and the pristine waters of SMB?
You would be blind to the future development of Cayman as more and more people move Eastward. That the location of a new Waste Facility – not a dump – would actually reduce traffic. And to your point you think it is better to keep "increase heavy traffic noise, scope for disaster, noise and emission, pollution etc" to the most highly populated area of the island???
Do you have no heart??
Whodatis, I recommend you read the report and in particular read and understand that the GT Dump is killing us.
If you love your country then set aside your personal vendetta and dealwith the facts of the matter!
Why did they not compare the two sites and evaluate what was the better option. Dart wants it moved out of his backyard and Bodden Towners don't want it in theirs. However, seeing that the original site has always been the garbage dump, why not keep it there and do the necessary mediation there rather than messing up two sites, because you know what, if the excuse is lack of funds, the same thing will happen to the Bodden Town site 20 years down the line.
I say, keep the dump right where it is and do whatever it takes to remedy the problem right there. Dart's company can help fix it right where it is.
The current dump was never set up correctly, nor has itbeen managed properly, even now it quietly leeches unfiltered sewage directly into the North Sound through drainage channels. Is it any wonder our corals are bleeching? You can't just pick it all up and cap underneath it. Take a look at the EIA – it is exhaustive and includes estimates for the cost "of doing nothing" and pictures of existing environmental chaos which we all quietly accept. We need to move this waste somewhere safe as soon as possible. The current facility would not be allowed in some parts of Africa, let alone in UK or USA. The proposal is for construction of a world class facility at min +3 MSL (versus Midland Acres at -50 MSL) sparing no cost. I dare you to read it and then comment.
The proposal is for three lined pits, that is ALL. There is no 'facility' or 'waste management' that Dart is proposing to fund. Sure, there is a lovely conceptualised drawing, but that is no more a waste management facility than houseplans are a house.
Can't you see that moving the dump to BT just creates two landfill sites with the added bonus of costing far more for trucking?
You haven't read the EIA, it goes into great detail on waste separation and recycling. Yet another windbag comment from someone unwilling to read.
Unwilling or unable?
If you read the EIA, the plan actually calls for building up the foundations far above current MSL, grading, and site drainage and storm water management plans as well as sorting for a wide variety of waste types. I read about concrete retention walls, not plastic. Dare to compare with the current scenario with is as you describe only the plastic isn't working or slowing the waste which flows out with every tide to poison our waters. You and others can make up any number of falsehoods and conspiracy theories if you want, but know that the current dump situation is poisoning our waters (the evidence is clearly presented in this EIA) and that's not acceptible to me.
I've read it. And the only thing we're sure to get is three lined dumps. No world class facility (what a load of crap). It might have the capability of being more than just another dump, but Cayman doesn't have, nor is it likely to have in the future, the money to do it, so back to square one, and if we allow them to proceed we'll only be making an existing problem worse by spreading it to the other side of the island too.
If you want evaluation of other sites, you need to put up the money for it. If other people are willing to start a new landfill site, let them get moving on it. Dart is the only outfit that ever seems to actually DO anything.
Makes since but why would Dart pay to fix Caymans Issues. The bottom line is the only reason he is willing to pay for it is to get it out of GT. If the CIG hadn't screwed up Caymans Finances and had the money to pay for it this wouldn't even be on the plate..
Actually, the current dump is not contained and is leaking poison into the north sound and water table. Doing nothing is not an option. The data is in the EIA.
So fix it where it is then as was originally proposed a couple of years ago, and please don't start spouting all this crap about the new improved dump in BT, when in fact its nothing but more of the same.
I read the EIA. I’m guessing you have not. Please do read it and comment to DOE by deadline if you still have concerns.
If someone would break up this 1800+ page document into smaller offerings, it would be very useful. I just waited over five minutes and the document would still not load beyond page two.
Yeah, cliff notes please!
Typical of our country we can’t be bothered to read for ourselves or investigate to get ourselves informed we want someone to do it (never mind that results in it being filtered through their perspective) and give us the summary answer when in this instance and many others a summation is not sufficient to understand the whole scope. Learn to read for yourself and make informed comments and decisions based on your own investigative findings. This document is easily read. I’m reminded of school aged children whining “do I have to read the whole thing can’t you just tell me what’s in it” sheer and utter laziness. Well if you get the information filtered for you then you deserve what you get.
If you go to the For Cayman Investment Alliance website, it is available in smaller parts.
Read the Exec Summary. Whole EIA is only 300 pages, the rest are interesting Appendixes from the firms that prepared the study – surely one of the more exhaustive in the history of this nation. It includes harshly critical emails, and responds to each point in kind. It's good to see it as a public document open for comment, another first.
Wri\\tten by the authors of Obamacare. Intended to confuse and mislead. Who has the time to read 1800 pages before the next election. Why not just put it at the open space at the Cayman Islands Yachy Club. That way Dart would not need to spend any money convincing anyone that it is put in the right place and McKeeva would not need to travel far to get a whiff of rotting garbage whenever he likes.
Any politician who would be against moving this dump from our tourist and finance centre is merely looking votes. This is a good example of how politicians will consider their fat pay checks before they consider the long term good of the country.
TO: Anonymous on Mon. . 04/08/2013 – 13:15,
Let me agree with you that no politician or any other citizen and/or resident should be against the relocation of that environmental disaster we call "MT.TRASHMORE". But the question must be: Where is the most appropriate site for this environmental necessity? This is what has to be considered!
I will venture to say, that you are smart enough to understand, that the reason Mr. Dart wants to move the dump and acquire the site it sits on, are basically for the same reasons you, myself or anyone else, who may have purchased land near That Dump would want to get rid of it. And I'm sure that neitheryou nor I would be jumping up & down with joy if we were told tomorrow that they were going to build a new facility of that nature within your neighborhood! We would be making the same protestations as the people in Bodden Town are doing today. The saddest thing is, that these situations generally arise when we are governed by politicians, who once they are in office, for some inexplicable reason same to lose all sense of reasoning, and do things not because it has been thoroughly thought out and agreed upon, but by merely doing something just to say "WE" did it, and hope that the voters of this Island will forget what they did, when they again try to fool us at an coming election.
We keep hearing about the "State of The Art" facility that will be built and they show us fancy drawings of the proposed facility, but here's a little something you should keep in mind, and this was stated by the now Minister of Health, which is: The Dart group will basically dig a hole in the ground and line it with some high tech plastic liners. It is a "KNOWN" fact that these liners all leak after some years and there is nothing anyone can do with the material that is leaking from this dump, and it will eventually find it's way into our underground fresh-water lenses.
So let us not rush to get things done that our children will suffer from, all because we let greedy politicians have their way. What we must do is, to make sure that whatever we do, we must involve "The People of The Island" in any such discussions, because there are many knowledgeable persons living in our Island and we could save us a bunch of money by utilizing their expertise. The rest of this project will have to be built by the people and knowing what has been the pattern of recent times it will be sometime before we get a facility that we can truly call "A Recycling Facility"!
DUH
I was going to mostly vote C4C – but now thinking of making it more PPM with some C4C – as the PPM have actually come out against the dump move to BT.
C4C candidates – if you want more of my votes and a lot of other people's votes – I suggest you take a clear and strong stance on this one (and on other issues).
If that is all you are going to base your vote on, then God help Cayman. What about voting for honest, hard working politicians who will generally do the right thing for Cayman…
Please read the EIA and then comment with some basis for disagreement. This is a fully transparent discussion, and actually exposes the outrageous environmental degradation already going on by the neighbouring quarries, which Bodden Towners have allowed – making those guys millionaires while nary an objection. Open your mind to change. Doing nothing is environmental/tourism suicide. Moving the dump there makes sense and will greatly improve our landscape and fish stocks. It will hopefully get some more observation and control over the quarry barrons.
They can't go against theiremaster
Great Idea, they will put the dump deal down get elected and then knock on Darts door…
C4C i cant believe you all are that daft to object to proper infrstructure for this country.
Why didnt you all stop the improvement of the Cayman Islands back when it all started in 1969.
We should have left the swamps alone and still be burning cow shit to fend off mosquitoes.
Why didnt we stop those developers from improving our lives back then? I have never seen so much jealousy, envy and covetiousness and arogance in all my 61 years living here.
lets leave the caustic dump where it is, lets continue to let all that poision leeche into our water table, 1000 yards from where we have now drilled down in our soil, to find that same contaminated water , and now drinking it.
Caymanians, please stop being so damn stupid! its no wonder we have the highest cancer rate in the World.
But that should'nt worry us, we just dont want Mr. Dart to acquire that old caustic dump, because he will make too much money from it,and Makeeva might be glorified for his assistance….and might get a few shillings in his pocket.
May the almighty God help us and dont send down any more plagues on us.
Now for the great big elephants in the room:
The Central Mangrove Wetlands
The Bodden Town Water lense
Intentionally left out of this EIA, by keeping the scope very narrow.
If you want us to believe you Dart, start by doing an adequate EIA.
Adequate and INDEPENDENT
Specifically what is inadequate about this EIA? This draft EIA was prepared by several firms working indepenently of one another. It includes harshly critical correspondence from local residents at Midland Acres and responds to those concerns. If you have anything to add, make it constructive and add to this transparent discussion by the deadline. Thanks.
And how is it not independent – because Dart paid for it? I don't see any body else reaching in to their pockets to pay for one….just sayin…..
They talk about these things at great length, if you'd cared to read the document. The proposed facility plans for concrete liner to be capped at minimum of +3 MSL and a facility constructed and managed to world-class standards of care – above wetland and water table and within tolerances of 100 year flood levels. By comparison, the actual neighbouring and existing quarries have been allowed to extract material at up to – 50 MSL with no consideration of anything and probably will go deeper when nobody's looking. Where were the Bodden Town Water Lense advocates when that was passed, and where have they been since?
I think you're a tad off-base. The proposal is for three PLASTIC lined pits.
The "world-class waste management facility" is just an idea, with NO committment from Dart to fund it. Three lined pits, and NOTHING more.
What happens when these lined pits get moisture? I'll tell you. Some, but not all surface moisture evaporates; the moisture generated from condensation and precipitation within a lined pit leaks through the intersticies created by pressure in the plastic. The plastic is not a barrier, it is a membrane that slows the progression of the eventual contamination plume.
"intermittent odor issues ", "will decrease the potential for odor impacts"
I guess this means that they can decrease the risk but not eliminate it, Plainly said this plan stinks it must be stopped!!!!
Read the EIA, or have an adult read it to you.