Another home invaded
(CNS): Police have confirmed yet another frightening aggravated burglary in which a George Town couple woke to find armed robbers in their house in the early morning hours. According to a limited police report, the residents were awoken at around 2:00 this morning, Wednesday 25 September, and discovered two men in their home. One of the men was armed with what appeared to be a handgun, according to the RCIPS report. When they were discovered, the two men left the house but not before pointing the firearm towards the homeowners. No shots were fired and no one was injured in the incident, police said, but no descriptions were available.
Police confirmed this evening that they were having communication issues, which had delayed the release of the information, but said an update would follow with more details.
The report comes at a time when there has been a surge in gun crimes, including doorstep hold-ups and robberies on commercial premises, as well as home invasions and aggravated burglaries where the suspects have been armed.
Although police have successfully arrested a number of suspects, the crime count continues to climb.
Category: Crime
Regarding crime in other countries. I would love to see statistics regarding small town criminal dynamics in the USA and UK. I believe it would show that there are not too many small towns of less then 50,000 people that have extensive, repeating crime patterns. Yes, there will be crime, but it will be solved and the perps will be apprehended. Not in Cayman BoBo. Just keep rolling along. It is obvious that more gang members are being coerced into action (criminal activity is often a right of passage or requirement for gangsters) and as the crimes are committed without the threat (or seemingly, possibility) of apprehension, more and more will occure. OK, I. agree,
let's just wait until some tourists are killed and Diane Sawyer picks this up on the ABC News, then we will HAVE to do something .
Boy, I can't wait to meet Anderson Cooper.
Despite the crime which will be under controll soon Caymanis still a relatively safe to live and one of the best in the Caribbean. Don't lose heart people just get it under control quickly by assisting law enforcement in telling what you know.
What a weird thing to say, don't lose heart people, just get it under control quickly?. Have you been robbed, have you suffered the mental anguish of having your possessions stolen or even more important a gun up ya sides head placed there by someone who does not care one iota about our existence or been shot?. I say to you and all of the people of this country, you want to protest, protest strongly against this escalating crime wave, protest on every opportunity, on the radio and tv call in programs , bombard the radio stations, send letters to the press, swamp your representatives e mails(first name.last name @gov.ky)
. This shit better stop soon or there will be uncontrollable and serious consequences. Enough is enough Caymanians, get your back up off the walls and STAND UP FOR YA RIGHtt to exist in a peaceful crime free society. If they don't listen then?
In the absence of any available provision under the law for gun possession, might i suggest dog-ownership? Listen, folks, these critters don't give a hoot about guns, they are territorial, and that means they are going to confront anything that seeks to invade their turf. Get smart. Get a (big) dog!
I am so sick of hearing this rubbish about "No shots were fire and no one was injured".
What the heck, are we living in some kind of 28 by 8 mile getto or what?
Legalize marijuana. End of story.
This is mostly gang related. Gangs make money on drugs. So legalize and tax the stuff.
You are correct anon 12:30 but the reason Mr Derek Haines was so successful with the DTF was because he had some of the best operational people the RCIP had to offer. People who could multitask and do just about any type of police investigation and on many occasions they did so many were very experience operators. But along came the nasty political spiders filled with venom spreading dissension and racial animosity encourage by some of the corrupt and incompetent leadership still now in high positons in the RCIPS. In fact our new premier party members were actively involve in attacking and accusing Mr Haines of running the department out of his back pocket after being prompt by the same very political minions. An rightly so because their criminal links would have thwarted many of a successful operation had they been notified or informed. How unfortunate for some of these subversive & corrupt architects in the RCIPS who have now departed who have enable crime and criminals to regain their footing and restablished their links and little empires and now have spread and infected their criminality to a younger and more vunerable generation who now see no consequences to their dangerous criminal conduct. Yes a victim of their own successful underming operation which saw the importation of their foreign cronies and their baggage which coincidentaly have now replace and overcome them in size and influence. These are the people responsible for this bull#@%& and their UK opportunist bosses who saw and opportunity to grab power, make money and get employment for their country men. Cayman is now paying a very high price, all because some want to continue their corrupt ways and to be the star! God Bless You DEREK HAINES and we did it with nothing but class, honesty and integrity. As for this New Regime of so called" trained Specialist" led by Bains the Crime witch doctor and his local magicians/stooges who can't even nab an escape prisoner for a month on this little island. What a disgrace!
1731. Are you having us believe that. We had such a handle on crime under Haines? This is more lipservice from the other team. The culture of gang violence and gang activity ingeneral was allowed to fester and and ripen under that time period. Did he do some good. Most certainly. But to make a proclamation like what was written is nothing short of fantasy. Was crime not as high. For certain. But if you examine the situation there were a number of armed robberies and murders in broad daylight that were unsolved. The gangs were organized at a level of preschool and ignored. This they are wannabes were wallowed to grow into real criminals. We then had them breeding like wild rabbits and hence where we are today. Baines and his crew are no fine example of fine creditable policemen bit to sell Haines’ departure as the greatest loss to the fight against crime is just a lime of nonsense.
Tell you what ole buddie none of Haines people had to returned to their homeland to face murder charges or crimnal offences or were wanted by their own authorities for being inolved with police corruption. He or the "Drugs" Task Force was not the be all of end all of law enforcement in Cayman but they were certainly more effective than this bunch who have everything under the sun and stil asking for more and are virtually sucking the very life force out our island's economy that is the only fantasy i see around here besides your idiotic gang theory. As one poster post prevoiusly the trouble with ignorance as it goes along it picks up confidence he must of had you clearly in mind.
You sound like you are eating too much mangoes bro and they are out of seasons too with your fester and ripen spiel. Only fantasy i read was your theory on the evolution of gangs "breeding like rabbits" your grasp of agriculture "lime of nonsense" is quite good please stick with it because nothing you have written makes absolutely any sense whatsoever. Your lack of knowledge of what Mr Haines area of responsiblity was and trying to knock Mr Haines's record and reputation and credibilty tells me exactly who you are bro i hope your sentence made you a better person. Finally two things for you and others the direct connection between drugs and crime are interrelated one cannot exist with out the other those who have foolishly come here from the UK and try to tell us otherwise are either deliberately misleading us to create the type of criminal situation we find ourselves in now or just plain incompetence and stupidity. I choose to believe the latter when you see who is benefiting directly from the whole crime situation financial, politically and strategically. Those who dismantle and disolved the Drugs Task Force and dimished its ability knew exactly what they were doing and who's agenda and intrest it would serve and what the outcome would be and it's people just like you who helped them with your hocus pocus bull$#!%. Ask yourself this you feel safer a night knowing the criminals got your back or the nonexistence police service we have employed and deployed to prevent and solve crime. When the Drugs Task Force was out there i felt safe and went to sleep knowing someone was out there trying to do something about crime. The criminal knew it too?
Reading the comments and honestly – this is getting old now.
Does Cayman have a crime problem today? Yes. It would be foolish to deny.
However, why is it that so many of our expats take such pleasure in this? Judging by these gleeful comments and snide remarks, one would swear some of you won the lotto with every negative headline.
In regards to our newly arrived crime problem, most Caymanians are genuinely concerned about the future of their country and youth. On the flip side, it is clear that many non-Caymanian residents are only concerned with highlighting the issue and using it as a weapon in some imaginary war.
I wonder what the average age of the CNS poster is because the level of immaturity on this website nowadays is quite alarming.
If you refuse to be a part of the solution then kindly either leave the country and return to your ("safer" homeland – yah, right) or … politely shut the 'eff up.
Never did I go out of my way to randomly gloat over the societal / civil misfortune of my host country while living abroad. I would have been a fool to do so.
In all honestly, the common attitude on display reeks of bitterness and jealousy, that is the only way it makes "sense".
(Feel free to "troll" and attack Whodatis at this time.)
An armed society is a free society!! Seems like the Criminals are the only ones with guns and law abiders have toothpicks to defend their homes?
Said it before and I will say it again. Send all the wanna be cops to Jamaica for 6 months patrolling the streets of Kingston, pay them in Jamaican dollars as a means of toughening them up and having them deal with the realities of being a cop. I once spoke to a security officer at the bank who was in the military in Jam. He said he just loves it here because his job is so easy – he even mentioned a time in Jamaica where he dodged 15 bullets from hiding behind a light pole. Now he was a very slim dude but I would also think that requires some mad skills.
Jamaicans and their stories….
Giving away house to any expat thatwant it with a job and wants PR and status but does not have property to qualify (certain condition apply – write an essay as to why you should be the successful applicant: to include your basic info., first initial, last name and occupation. Do not include your first name or employer). In GT within walking distance to Smith's Cove for additional info email freehouse4expat@gmail.com.
That's not nearly enough for some of the expats on here.
Its comments like this that really get up my nose. WTF has this home invasion got to do with expats, immigration policy, blah blah blah. Criminals stealing to satisfy their greed and drug habits pure and simple. It happens because they get away with it. The more they get away with it the more it happens, any fool can see that there is an escalating problem with crime but it takes an educated fool I suppose to blame it on poor immigration policy. Ridiculous.
I'm getting a gun.
Mind u get 10 yrs
Please tell us how?
This reminds me of sweet Jamaica back in the 70s and 80s now look at it and the level of crime there in 2013. Let this be a example we need to stand up tocrime and criminals before its too late and they begin to adopt the attitude that they can commit crimes and get away with it because people are afraid to talk. I am not afraid of any criminal and will not let them destroy my country I am prepared to die before I let it happen. I hope that we come together and put a stop to these criminals and stop making excuses for them.
Well they've come over here to do the same to us….Thanks Mac
The increase in crime has already "scared away" many visitors. I know at least 5 very wealthy
American and English visitors who have spent extensive time (months) on island, spending a lot of money in the stores, bars, and restaurants. They have owned condos and have been coming for many years…….Not Any More………..because they no longer feel safe, they have sold the condos and houses, some have bought property and homes in Florida, or in other safer jurisdictions……….bye,bye, Big Bucks.
Hello………….mullets………….you silent fools will suffer.
Oh, and these very wealthy people are not "scared"…….they are just smart. They are so wealthy because they are intuitive business leaders. They have seen the dismal future of these pitiful islands and moved their spending power to safer shores. .
They all have said the same thing…….Cayman is just not worth it anymore, it has changed for the worse….one step forward, two steps back.
This needs to stop NOW! do we want to chase away visitors and residents this needs to stop people report what you know send the scum bags to jail for life.
Where are the police? I have noticed recently that there are no police cars on the road patrolling. Bring back Derek Haines Please……. at least the criminals were scared of him.
12:30, They were sh*t scared of Haines.
He would actually do foot patrols through all the neighbourhoods with the 20+ mile training he does everyday for the marathon, instead of passing by in a car every 6hrs with the windows up talking on a cell phone not paying any attention to anything other than themsevles.
Stop with the derek haines thing. Good lad but he did not have the answers. Caymanians love to say everything wrong today -crime, government accounts, unemployment of Caymanians,etc- can be corrected by going back to the past. It's called the Lone Ranger Theory. There is a "magic bullet", a "silver bullet" that solves all the problems. It has never happened in ANY country.
Governor. Security council. MLAs. CoP.
Your silence has been noted.
We the public deserve better. Otherwise we will take matters into our own hands.
don't worry the ppm will do something soon….maybe…….zzzzzzzzzzzz
There is nothing the PPM can do. This down to the Governor and the CoP.
The PPM will take of matter just as soon as they have finished doing away with the roll-over and multiple world trips.
Come on Cayman be patient, only a few more honest citizens will be robbed before they can get to this not so serious issue!
The major problen in Cayman today is that there is no FEAR in the minds of the criminals. There is no FEAR of getting arrested. No FEAR of doing time in Northward, where they can smoke reefers and watch TVall day. There is no FEAR of coming through the front door of a residence and coming face to face with an armed homeowner. There is no FEAR of being ratted out by your friends or family. We need to put FEAR back into the minds of these scumbags. We need to implement the so called Guiliani doctrine that was used to save New York City or otherwise known as the broken window theory. The RCIP needs to start at the bottom with the lowest level offences, speeding, window tints, noise violations, traffic stops. There needs to be a mindset among the population that this is a law and order jurisdiction. Change the laws to allow for speed cameras and other traffic offences. There are CCTV cameras at every roundabout along the ETH, why are we not issuing tickets? See something suspicious, call the police. We can turn the tide.
It would be nice if they said which area within GT this occurred. Was it a complex or a house etc.
Why do you care which area? If you had not noticed, ALL areas of Grand Cayman are less than an hour away from each other, so this is our problem, it's not some other areas problem, we are living here on this tiny island and this problem is ours.
If it not in an area near me I don't care much.
if it not near you now and the problem is not fixed next week it may be you.
get us jobs lolo
This is no longer becoming a common headline but is the common headline. Our news are plagued with violence daily. The Police are not able to curb these figures simply because of two reasons. The first being is that while they have caught two people recently while the crime was somewhat in progress and that was an excellent piece of Police work, they are not up to task. They have time and time again demonstrated impotence. The second reason being is that you have far too many bordering illiterate people leaving school. You have far too many broken homes and fartoo many gangster Bo’s jumping on as many baby momma’s that will take them on. With these girls opening and closing their legs like an exercise video it is no wonder we have so many people born in single parent hokes that are not naturing homes. This here is the formula for a population of criminals. We have very few role models who lead by example in this ccommunity. We have far too little respect for the family unit and far too much tolerance for adultery and lawlessness.
Hmmmm, perhaps this is a plot by some to enhance the rollover policy.
If the rate for this type of crime keeps climbing then the best and brightest of the expats will leave.
It is one way to remove the professional glass cieling.
Your comment is a bunch of Crap! “If the rate for this type of crime keeps climbing then the best and brightest of the expats will leave”
Yea Right…. Leave and go back to their countries of origin where I can guarantee the crime rates are much higher (USA, UK, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, Philippines, Mexico, Cuba, Dominican Republic, and Jamaica……to name a few). Be realistic it’s not so bad here. If you think so turn on CNN or BBC for a half hour and see if that doesn’t change your opinion.
This is the best life most of the expats here have ever lived. We can all agree the crime here is nothing compared to the countries you/they left.
I am little bemused and shocked that the writer is actually comparing the Cayman Islands to these countries. To add colour to this comment, lets take the first three countries on the list and their population- USA-300 million, UK-62 million, Ireland-4 million. The "closest" country to our population on this list is Dominican Republic at 10 million – see where I am going with this? Per capital we are out of control..
No, not quite right. Cayman's crime rate is massive compared to the safety of a lot of first world countries (but of course not all). I know a lot of expats who packed it in because the island is going to the criminals.
No we can't agree on that. I lived 25 years in glasgow, one of the more notorious cities if you will in the UK without any crime committed against me. Been here 8 years and so far have been mugged, had rocks thrown at me (both times out enjoying a walk on west bay road quietly by myself), car locks drilled out and people trying to break into the house. Pretty much everyone i know here has been a victim of some sort. Less crime here? Get your head out the sand. Cayman is a lovely place with many lovely people of varying nationalities including the vast majority of caymanians, but face facts, you now have a crime issue, and frankly there are a lot of young local guys whether from poor upbringing or simply frustration at what is a broken system for many young caymanians driving around just looking for people to pick a fight. Wake up.
Murder rate in Cayman 2011 = 109 per million.
UK murder rate 2011, 11.5 per million.
I can't be bothered to look up the others. Don't talk nonsense.
That's right pick out a year when the number of murders was the the highest in Cayman and then make false comparisons with a country of tens of millions of people.
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Rates easily skew the view of issues. Using the absolute numbers, this could be put as follows:
# of murders in UK during 2012 was five hundred and fifty two (552).
(Source: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jan/19/murder-rate-rose-5-percent)
# of murders in the Cayman during 2011 was one (1).
(Source: http://www.compasscayman.com/story.aspx?id=115322)
Like you said "don't talk nonsense".
First off, I wouldn't consider newspapers to be wholly reliable for sourcing. You would need to find the source the newspapers themselves used in order to carry more merit. While absolute numbers, you might be right however you need to look at in by capita. Cayman's population is tiny in comparison. What is the percentage and what is the percentage risk we have of exposure to these sorts of crimes? That is what I consider relevant.
There were 6 murders in Cayman in 2011. Don't tell lies.
Thank you so much for putting him or her in their place. They act like where they come from is a bed of roses and crime in their respective countries do not exist or should be treated as minimal because of the population size.
As the STATISTICS show they have more murders per year than there are days of the year.
552MURDERS A YEAR /365DAYS IN A YEAR = 1.51 Murders A Day in the UK 2012
AGAIN "don't talk nonsense".
Don't be silly. The nations you mention are all hugely bigger than our tiny island. If you had ever lived in one of those places, you would know that. Don't display your ignorance.
Actually I have lived in one of the largest cities in the USA for many years and at all times you have to look over your shoulder and never feel safe (day or night).
Do any of you feel that way in Cayman at all times? I think NOT!
Cayman is a lot safer than most places! Consider yourself lucky to be here. If crime is so much lower, and your country of origin is so much safer then take your a$$ home.
You obviously haven't yet been a victim of one of these crimes.
Complacency will be the death of the Cayman Islands. It must not be allowed to continue.
In my country, if they come into my house they will face an Eagle with a glock. In Cayman they face sitting ducks.
That is the sad truth of the matter. I love Cayman, and will live and die here (hopefully not as a result of a home invasion). The legal means of protection at my disposal are meager. Where I came from, I could get a permit to carry a concealed firearm. Law abiding citizen should be able to do so, because the criminals have no such restrictions — they do as they wish.
Are you basing your comment on valid statistics of per capita crime? I could find no source that included cayman in their comparison. I did see a statistic on incarceration however that is not the same thing as there are other variables involved (effectiveness of policing, sentencing terms, etc.)
5 trolls???? It's a legitmate question..can anyone direct me to per capita crime statistics that include Cayman?
The professionals and ex pats who will leave will also take with them the Caymanian middle and upper classes.
It happened in Jamaica….caused by Jamaicans…..get the drift…?
At least I have a hope of having the police help me in those other jurisdictions. Here, the police seem to be impotent. It's the feeling of lawlessness that will drive expats away.
Wish I could give your comment 1000 likes! I don't know why so many ex-pats come here and bash our island as if they are coming from some paradise where there is no crime and high standards of living. If it was so great where they come from they all wouldn't be here and to add insult to injury not want to leave when their time is up. This is the best life 99% of the ex-pats have known.
10:26,
USA, UK, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, Philippines, Mexico, Cuba, Dominican Republic, and Jamaica all have higher crime rates….
Well no sh*t Sherlock Holmes. Could that be because their population is about a gazillion times bigger than Cayman?
Some of the big differences with those countries are that you can go and hide, but not in Cayman, you have a right to bear arms, but not in Cayman and you have other resources to fight crime i.e. an army or navy, but not in Cayman.
The life that everybody enjoyed in Cayman is going done the tubes quicker than the turtle stew I just had for lunch, and if the crime, TLEP and all the other 3rd world sh*t keeps going on, Cayman will be gone and will look like one of those crime infested sh*t holes you named above before the leaders of this country and all others involved can pull their heads out the sand.
Brightest and best my butt. Most likely riff raffs that their own country don't want. From my experience anyway. The best and brightest stay in their own countries as there are better opportunities there.
Governor – are you reading this? What are you planning to do about the rising crime? Are you going to sort out the RCIP to ensure that garbage such as "issues with communication" don't continue to happen?
Those elected officials with their elitest mentatlity and agenda who believe they would fool voters with promises and when elected would go their merry way are finding this crime situation very inconvienent, especially when they falsely believed it can't or would not effect them in any shape or form or their elite advisors in government who assured them they could handle it. Now crime is robbing us of both our safety and diginity. They are now scrambling to come with a plan or solutions they claimed they had all along. The question is what hapened to this big plan and all this money that has been spent on this enormous security apparatus including the RCIPS who can barely muster reactionary tactics at the most to deal with this terrible situation. Yes and this comparison to other jurisdiction that excuse is worse than a lie and rather pathetic. It would appear now that some are with holding informaton from the public now to protect themselves from these very questions? When you scratch a liar you always get thief Cayman.
First of all, let me point out that the crime on this island is not only in West Bay so folks let's wake up and realize its ISLAND WIDE. I'm sorry to hear that the homeowners had to go through such a horrific experience and WE the people, the police, the politicians need to work together to put an end to these types of crimes. I've been here over 20 years and it just seems to be getting worse and worse. Yes, we can blame it on umemployment but the truth is these types of criminals would not be working anyways (unemployment or not). They are "thugs" and we need to stomp that out of our society. I saw it coming from years ago, if we do not take a hold of the problem now then I"m sorry to say this little place once called paradise will be gone forever and not even time forgot, it will just plainly be gone. Like I said before on a post about gangs to all parents – if your child is walking out of the house with their pants to the ground it's your responsiblity to teach them better, if they are not at school and should be, it's your responsibilty to ensure they are in school (bringing home acceptable grades), if they are over 18 and are coming home with items YOU know they cannot afford because a) Little Johnny does not hold a job then it's YOUR responsibility to report them or b) Little Johnny holds a job but you know he/she does not make that kind of salary then it's YOUR responsibility to question them and then report them. At some point in time, we all need to take responsibility of our island. I don't care whether you are an expat or Caymanian, this is home to most of us, let us not allow the minority of ruthless, lawless and laziness ruin our island to make an easy living. BTW, I am married to a wonderul Caymanian SO this is MY home in case anyone decides to start with the expat comment about how I can move away blah blah blah. Yes, I can pick up and go but why – I for one will not be chased away…bottom line this is HOME.
Well said! This is a Caymanian married to an Expat for the better part of 25 years.
Many parents are scared of their 'Little Johnny and Little Janey"
Probably the same two men that were wandering our complex at 2.30 a.m. checking every single car door handle and front door handle. Great patrolling RCIPS – these low lifes are at it every single night! Should the public really have to patrol this?
Did you call the police when you witnessed this?
EYeah, they were having communication issues , they are always having someting…
No me had no credit on me phone..
The police doesn't have esp. Did you call them?
Did you report this? Do you have descriptions?
Do you expect there to be a police officer on every block in every neighborhood all the time? Its not reasonable to expect police officers to catch someone 'in the act' unless they happen to coincidentally be in a certain spot at the same time.
There is enough of them in the RCIPS now that you COULD have one on every block..trouble is…it's WAAAAAY easier to pop peoples ass for a $150 ticket for talking on a cell phone and driving, than it is to go out and actually confront criminals..THAT takes REAL guts…and there aint enough REAL guts left between the lot of them to make a good pot of tripe and beans…
No, but some police somwhere at times would be great. I haven't seen police in months on the roads enforcing the law and can't recall the last time when one was patrolling through my neighbourhood!
If you saw this and didn't call the police you are both an idiot and a direct contributor to crime in the Cayman Islands.
Yes the Police were called, no i did not take pictures. You sir are an Idiot for surmising otherwise.
Patrol it with a take out unit. Then the people at the complex would not have to be upset about their presence again.
Take any pics?
Why arrest the criminals and a few days later they are released, only to continue on their rampage. If they are a nuisance to society /communities, they should be charged and locked away. The legal system is antiquated, too many incidents are left for too long before being taken to court an charged. Years pass an they are out on bail, the file is lost or the time has expired and they walk free.
Simple cases are dragged through the court system for years, just costing government money that could be used untilised elsewhere. Revamp the Legal and the Judicial system now and save money and time.
As a Caymanian returning home it is sad to see this. We need to band together as a community to solve these issues by identifiying the root or source of these issues
Ok government is this the final proof you all need in order to act? How many more people have to be scared out of their wits before we see major change.
I am very interested to know what you expect the government to do. What action should they take? You must have some ideas.
Hmm…1) hire professionals from oversea on contingency basis.. for starters.
Real cops with rean guns and a real desire to shoot criminals. Open up hunting season and post a reward.
First thing is pass a law making it a requirement that every home has a loaded gun. Next pass a law allowing and promoting concealed carry. Next, bring in some real cops from a real city, with real skills and experience dealing with real criminals. Things will then sort themselves out after a while.
Welcome to Bablyon. As I have said before, until this appens to a politician, their family/ friends or a "known person", then absolutely nuttin will be done. Be vigilant and protect yourselves, we are living in dread times.
Man, this is some scary stuff. The police have to have some suspects, I hope to God they have surveillance on these guys 24/7.