Murder in Marina Drive

| 04/10/2013

(CNS) Latest Update 12:15pm Friday: The 22-year-old man who was shot at his home in Marina Drive, Prospect, on Thursday night has been pronounced dead and police have launched their second murder investigation of the year. The victim was shot multiple times when, it is understood, he opened the door of his home to the gunmen. Police said they are no longer looking for a white car but a a dark brown motor car, believed to be a Honda Torneo. The police have also confirmed that at least two men were involved in the shooting but so far they have no descriptions.The young man, who has now been formally named by the police as Earl Hart, was pronounced dead at around 1:15 Friday morning at the George Town hospital.

It is also understood that although the victim's 2-year-old daughter and his pregnant girlfriend were also in the house when the gunmen opened fire, neither were hurt.

Although police have not yet confirmed whether they believe the shooting was gang-related, Hart gave evidence in a murder trial last year. The murdered man was a crown witness in the trial of Chakane Jamelle "CJ" Scott, who was convicted of the murder of Asher McGraw, who was shot dead in East End in September 2011.

Police are asking anyone with information or who was in the area at the time to call the RCIPS tip-line 949-7777, or Crime Stoppers 800-8477(TIPS) or the dedicated murder line 925 7240.

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  1. Tonto says:

    So if we are going to make a big deal about tint, then they should also look at motorcycle helmets with tinted glass. Heck these guys can ride up to a crime, committ the crime with the helmets on and ride off before any recognition by helicopter, eye witness and the failing CCTV. 

    Just my two cents….

    • Mexican't says:

      Amen to this comment. Give it to them, Chopper. What do you think of those big, ugly, windshield size sunglasses?

  2. Sports Coach Administrator/Coordinator says:

    Many of your comments give us much to reflect upon as citizens of this country and have many truths within.  While i believe strongly that parental support and guidance play a huge role in how a child turns out, sometimes it is not always the case. i say this because the young man that was just murdered was in a sports program i and other coaches i work with was heavily involved in, and sadly he strayed from a young age.  

    Not bad stuff we/some would say at first, small but noticiable changesthat ended up over a period of years being for the worst. His mother would often call myself and other coaches to say she was keeping him home from some or all of the practice sessions, that week as grades were slipping and his behavour was not what it should be.

    This behaviour pattern kept esclating as time passed to include very undesriable behaviour. And i can tell you, while his mother may not be the typical " time out' parent, she cared for him and ensure he had all he NEEDED not WANTED. And as far as i can remember his biological father was not in his life, if so very little, but his step father was and they had a good relationship.

    i was called by his mother on numerous occasions and kept abreast with the happenings. She was very distressed and always made a huge effort to keep him straight and she supported him even after she punished him. She also called upon thepolice and other male coaches to talk to him and monitor him. Her methods were not most times supported by people close to her. This i and others witnessed outside the police station after the child had been arrested early on. An individual close to her pelt her with rocks.

    It was deemed that she was selling him out by calling the police  when she did  and one time when he was takened to the station making him spend a few hours there in hopes it would wake him up…very sad…. I really feel it for her as the parent of this child who tried so hard to keep her son on the right path. i am not saying she was perfect, all i am saying it is not as easy as punish them, bring them up the right way, and they will do no wrong.

    The young man was a very talented athlete in many sports, and during the period he was in our program he was always very respectfull to me and the other coaches. He travelled on trips with us, and outstanding represented our country. However we also had our rules and whilst you support to the max where you can, there  comes a time when you have to stand firm. If you make agreements with athletes which they dont abide by. They have to face the consquences and not be allowed in programs unless changes are made. it is called tough love. 

    Unfortunately ways were parted although the young man still popped by now and then  for 10 minutes to say hello he was always welcomed. Word is about, he was trying to make changes for the better and had done so, but sadly he is gone and no longer with us to continue on that path if that were the actual case.  My thoughts and prayers are with his mother especially. No matter what thats her son, she has had to face much stress in the past years. On top of her battling severe health issues. Throughout all of her struggles she to date volunteers her time to charity and also lends support to her children and grandchildren at every opportunity.

    Most times we know a persons namE, but we do not know their true story, as such we should not judge them. The scripture reads "let he without sin cast the first stone". We all agree that we as citizens need to each do our part, and it starts with first not having children we cannot feed and spend quality time with. Not nuturing them so they grow into productive citizens who give back positively. 

    However as humans we dont all grasp these ideals as such many will mess up and a good few will slip through the cracks. and become invovled in undesriable activities from petty theft to murder What we need to do then is speak out as citizens and assist the police when know of things taking place with in our communities. This way the RCIP can have a better chance of fighting crime. And more importantly the judicial system need to ensure they prosecute to the highest so it act as a deterrent.  Thanks for allowing me to voice my opinion.

    • Porky Pig says:

      Nicely written by a person who gave his time to try and help this man and others like him.

  3. A1 Observer says:

    For those crying about taint and licence plates the whole law enforcement community in Cayman Prison, Police, Customs, Immigration and Fireservice clearly need to lead by example because their private vehicles are the worse and when you have officers driving drunk around Cayman without vehicle insurance for years and license coupons which belong to other vehicles and getting away with it, how can one expect the public to abide by the law? 

    • Anonymous says:

      Why let others lead you astray? Even if they call themselves leaders it is your responsibility to be a stand up human. 

      • Anonymous says:

        It is not really about the fact that people can break any law but the fact that thelaw should be applied. Therefore every car seen with wrongly tinted windows or perhaps license plate covering should be stopped, questioned and fined if neceesary. Since you beleive criminals tend to do this more often then not then at least they run the risk of being stopped on these matters. Keep in mind in New York they have a stop and frisk policy in some of the high crime neighborhoods and again this reduces the chances for criminal elements to prosper in an easy manner.  

    • Anonymous says:

      I don't believe anything you say.  Period.

  4. Anonymous says:

    Why is everyone singing on tinted windows and covered plates?? No where in the article does it say that these were factors in identifying the suspected vehicle used in this horrible crime. Yes covered plates can be banned but that doesn't stop the criminals from using them. Yes dark tint is against the law but that doesn't stop people from doing it.  



    • Anonymous says:


    • Anonymous says:
      Perhaps the point could be:
      why do people need blackout window tint; and
      why do people use reflective covers on license plates.?
      the answer is simple. They don't!  However, the right to privacy as per the HRA (adopted via the ECHR), restricts Cayman from creating legislation to impose such laws. However, the HRA is pretty specific as per ECHR, but there's nothing to say that they cannot create a regulation, worded correctly, which would deal with this issue and would not conflict with the HRA. For example, it could be legislated to make those who choose to have black out tint on their windows to pay more registration fees, similar to if you drive a hummer for example. Then those people would be on a list. It's not rocket science. There are so many other ways to deal with crime in Cayman, and many suggestions purely on CNS, make sense to me. If the everyday Joe have simple solutions, why oh why are they not being implemented or, at the very least, taken into consideration?
    • See Level says:

      Based on your logic, we might as well not have any laws.

      The RCIP has for decades studiously turned a blind eye to a variety of mundane and petty infractions and this has lead to a "crime creep" whereby the criminal element has continually sought to push the boundaries.

      And so here we are. Businesses being robbed at gun point. Housewives being held up at gun point. People being tied up in their homes.

      RCIP's methods are not working and the government needs to stop doubling down on failure.

    • Anonymous says:

      Gee let me think maybe because its illegal and while it may not apply in this case who knows what is being hidden in those cars. The problem has always been in the past that police cars drive cross who they want to.

    • Anonymous says:

      It does not stop people only because the police are failing or refusing to do their job which is to enforce the Laws. All of them, and against everyone, without fear or favour! And just perhaps if they actually pulled over people with tinted windows and covered licence plates they might find some drugs, and some guns, and some gloves, and some stolen property, and some  lock-picking utensils…

    • Capt. Obvious says:

      Obviously, the public is calling for RCIPS to consider a  crack down on all infractions big and small. The general message is that we need a NY City style Rudy Guiliani approach to get Cayman back in order. The lawlessness in our community stems from the drivers with illegal tint, illegal license plate covers, illegal use of BlueSpots (handicap parking spots) etc.

  5. Anonymous says:

    CNS – Please allow me some space on this page! Prayers are with the Family of this young man at this time.

    As a Society we tend to point fingers at the Police, the Premier, the Commissioner, the Governor and the who else. These people are in higher places, but it can’t be them that teach, train, and feed, look our jobs, and hear our complaints all day, all month, all year. Bear in mind these individuals all are normal people with kids too, wives and husbands too and want the same as us, PEACE!

    When I sit and read the news each day, sometimes I feel helpless, but all I can do is try to make a difference. Sometimes all it takes is one human being to listen to another, which may change someone else’s heart. If we take a look around our island, our biggest issues are surrounding our Social Structure. Mothers are working 2 or 3 jobs to keep the Family stable, Fathers are absent, (not in all cases) Fathers are working 2 jobs to struggle to find and give comfort to his kids, and Mothers are roaming the bars (not in all cases), but they are surely a mixture of what I just mentioned. Mothers with higher paid jobs are running the house hold, yet a Nanny is raising the kids, and buying them every new electronic device that comes out. Fathers are working higher paid jobs to pay all the bills, with a wife working a lower paying job, but because he is so busy making money, he is forgetting his wife needs; therefore she begins finding comfort in maybe a male colleague (vice-versa). Do you see what I am talking about?

    Readers and people of this Society, it is not the Police, it is not the Governor, it is not the Commissioner’s business what we do in our households, as long as we are not abusing each other – IT IS OURS. When we fail to spend quality time with our kids, when we fail to listen to their innocent hearts and minds, when we fail to acknowledge their C’s and D’s on their report cards, and tell them they needa be like so and so son or daughter because they got A’s or they were on Honor Roll, we have failed to show them LOVE and AFFECTION as well as lower their self-esteem. Our young men and women too are crying out because they are yearning for what is needed most to survive. LOVE! Nobody wants to be a “THUG”! When kids are asked that question in school, I don’t think or ever heard a child answer “I would like to be a THUG or a GANGMAN”; some of these boys make these choices simple because even through hard times, some not even had hardships, but Mom or Dad wasn’t there. You asked some “Grandma raise me”, yet my Mom andDad working jobs and doing their own stuff, just dropping in with the monthly paycheck, and they are gone. Yes, not all of us have the privilege to raise our kids up the way we would really love to because of Financial Burdens or whatever the case, but it doesn’t cost a thing, to take an hour each day for your child, maybe even half hour to hear about their day. It helps a child and even as adults, just to know someone care about your emotional well-being, not just having food or shelter. I am a big woman, and I still love to call my Mother just to tell her about my day. When we don’t teach our kids from home the value of being an independent responsible and honest individual, we have failed them. When we allow our kids to break the rules at home without any consequences, we fail to teach them as they get older; there are Laws to abide by. My Friends of this Country, Governors will come and Governors will go, Police Commissioners will come and Police Commissioners will go, Premiers and Leaders will be elected and the problem will only escalate, if we don’t begin and address our issues at home and in our household. We as Caymanians, like to mind our neighbors business, yet not keeping our owns addressed at home, I can say it, because I too have failed in many areas of life, but trying not to repeat rather look and still looking ways to improve myself, not only for myself but for the sake of my kids. Nobody is perfect, but if we would own up as Parents and take more Pride in our children by spending more quality time, it will surely improve the way of life. What we sow now we will reap later, and unfortunately, we are seeing the crops of what we sowed years ago, and didn’t water it with LOVE and AFFECTION, but gave them sunshine days with material items and spent less time listening to their needs, yet more time giving them their wants. A Plant doesn’t grow from WANTS, it grows from NEEDS, when it is grown and becomes withered from not getting NEEDS, because WANTS don’t fulfill it anymore to grow, it either dries up or dies – it is a simple form of the nature of life, so it is with Humans.

    RCIPS – These men and women that serve are doing what they can with the resources they have; they can’t solve every crime as we would love them to do, if we don’t make an effort to assist them. Our Law enforcement and Teachers are some of the lowest paid Civil Servants, yet we tear them down, more than we lift them up. They are who teaches our kids for 7 hours a day and help protect them. Yes we have good, and yes we have bad, that is just a fact of life. RCIPS can do so much, but with little help from Society, what else do they do? Some people say RCIPS have low morale, what happens if every time you bring Criminals to Court, all evidence, round up, did they best they could – yet the case dismiss, or the same person back on the streets, repeatedly, Police getting the same person and back to court again to get 2 years. Is this a Police issue then? No, (this is my opinion). How would you feel if every time you sat one exam repeatedly and didn’t get the mark you wanted? Like you failed right? A lot of times, some officers may face such feelings but that is human nature. When the Police have done their part to bring criminals before the Courts; this now becomes a Judicial Issue. Such Laws are in place that the way in which we handle criminals, this then becomes OUR ISSUE! We elect who we elect for our own reasons; however it is up to us as Citizens of this Country to step up and address what we feel is affecting us and laws that need to be revised or changed. Do bear in mind if you cut a tree down at the bark, it will grow back. If we change Laws, yet haven’t dealt with the real issue, we will complain all over again. We can’t improve or change some of our most distructful issues if we don’t get to the root. Let’s face it – we have serious social problems in this Country, pretty much with any fast developing Country.

    To The Christian Leaders – As Pastors, Leaders, Preachers, and Bishops ofthis Country you have a commitment to not only to Christ, but to the People of this Land. He has chosen you to serve over the land as it speaks in the Bible and many of you have failed this Society, I know Christians are not perfect – but as I watch who I know are Pastors, they do little to draw people into Church; you are failing the land as God has called you to do. I have not known of one Pastor who has gone into the PITS or the most dangerous neighborhoods on this island to draw out these “thugs” and give them a different view of what else they could be doing with their lives (and if you have it’s probably because you are family and did what was best and wasn’t afraid to enter the area). Why is it always the USG with guns? Probably sometimes done in front of toddlers that horrify them for life. Why does it have to be other Pastors and Bishops to visit our Country to speak at Sermons and Seminars about where they came from as young men, and how they watch people dead from guns, so they changed their lives? Is it that our Pastors are too scared to tell about their past – to show the people here, I have come from this to this? Yes it is good to have visiting Leaders, but what about showing up ourselves? Our children yearn to know about US, yet we wonder why they follow the rappers, the gangsta singers and dutty gal lifestyle? I have been there, done it and hopefully one day can write about it, I may be able to change or make a difference in some young girl’s life or even a young man.

    To the Law Abiding Citizens of this Country, the sinners and the saved, the good folks and the bad folks, the Praying Mother and the Crying Father or vice versa, let’s unite and bring peace to this Country by spending a bit more quality time with our Children, invest your time and seek to understand them. Pray for your children, be grateful for them, even if one is a Banker and the other is a Janitor, their titles will not represent their hearts my friends, and all our kids are unique in their own way. Police, Premiers, Commissioners and Governors didn’t have our kids and sure don’t live with us, we raised what we got and it starts from home!

    I wish I could publish my name, but due to the nature of my job. I only hope and pray we can join together and start improving and finding positive ways to handle our issues from home, and doing our part as Parents for a more Promising Future and Peaceful place to live.

    God Bless!

    • Anon says:

      Powerful and truthful post.  I can't believe the thumb down. Can't face the truth? 

    • Anonymous says:

      I wonder how many people have taken the time to read your post? I did, and thank you for being up front, honest and true. I understand your situation when you write that you can't put your name to the post because of the job you have. I will re-read your post, probably a few times over, and then write a detailed reply, as I feel it deserves at least that.

    • Pure Bad Vibes says:

      Thiis whole epistle you have unfortunately written here is niether steep in reality nor reason you seek to make excuses and absolve many who's responsibilty it is to maintain law an order and who are accountable for their actions or incompetence and their decisions which unfortuately have consequences which effects us all. I will agee that parents has a major role but your utopia simply no longer exist and we have now coexist with the good the bad the ugly and the indiffferent those who's job its and are paid very well to ensure our society maintains the basic standards for people to live & work safely and orderly cannot sit back and let our dear father the good Lord Take care of every single thing that is call being lazy which gets me back to being positive this can only come about when everybody is honest enough to take responsibilty for their own actions thereby learnng from their mistakes so that others including their children dont repeat them.

    • Anonymous says:

      I second this 100%. If anyone knows what Maslow's Hierarcy is or not, this article defines it on another level.

    • Anonymous says:

      Tremendously boring story.

      This kind of religious naivity has gotten us to were we are now. 

      There is a law, you brake it, you get arrested, you get punished.

      Church, god, jesus has nothing to do with that.



    • Anonymous says:

      You are such a typical christian hypocrite.

      Wife is getting a lower payed job and therefor looks for someone else ?

      A banker is a better person than a janitor ?

      Mothers roaming bars ?

      It is absolutely disgusting.

      I agree there are social problems here, but they are everywhere, caused by greed,  selfishness and an unbalance in wealth.

      This christian fundamentalisme is only making it worse.

      The fact that you can't put your name under it, says to me that you KNOW there is something wrong with your statements.

      Just be a good person to the people you know, and leave your god out of it.

    • Anonymous says:

      If women had the right to a local abortion the problem of gang crime would be much less.

      • Anonymous says:

        Wow 11.21…hit the nail on the head on a subject that dares not speak it's name.

        CONTRACEPTION…the Marco Giglioli solution to mosquito control…stop them being born rather than deal with a problem that becomes immune to solutions…

    • Anonymous says:

      If I wanted to read a book I would have gone to the library. You all tired me out with these comments i need to go have a strong drink I can't read no more this one did it for me.

  6. Anonymous says:

    A few factsfor consideration – the victim appears to have been involved with illicit activity. It is talked that he was a key witnesses in a murder trial. Point being he was or is alleged to have been in a lifestyle that is not within the law. This is npt an advocation of his murder but he was not your average Joe on the street. Next we have a car that in all likely hood along with somebody or more than one person will be arrested for thos. Anyones guess if they will get convicted of a crime. Then there is the issue of further reprisals. Great more gang murders. It is allehged by powers in charge that there os a small amount of gang bangers and people committing violent crimes. We have approx 400 sworn Police Officers plus other agency who are charged with criminal code enforcement. The RCIP has a budget alone of about 50 million per year. If what is communicated is true that there are only a small amount of criminals that the majority have not completed High School ans lack critical thinking skills then what does this say for those charged to protect the community.? Along with our 3 million CCTV plus the yearly costs. How is this possiable? Either the RCIP is cluesless or incompetent. Or noone wants us the people to know that we have way more than a small group of bandits amongst us and we are over ridden by criminals and those that seek criminality. The secret of which of the above will come out. There is no way a community can live like this and keep hearing lip service.

  7. Anonymous says:

    In my opinion, crime has gotten worse in the UK and it's BoTC's ever since the Human Rights Act was enacted. Whilst there are many benefits of the HRA, there are many flaws and I personally think that when it was drafted, reviewed and then passed, forward thinking was most certainly not on the agenda.  I can only hope the Conservative party in the UK, get through after the next UK election. I recall the days of ole Maggie Thatcher, they were good times. Hopefully the Tories who win the next election have the balls she had.

    I am all about a fair trial, but our country needs to impose stricter laws, deport those criminals who may have gained status whichever way (as they have somewhere to go to) and for the homegrown criminals/terrorists, well it's simple…… Make them wear pink underwear (like that prison in the US) and turn Northwood Hotel in to Northwood Hell.



  8. Turtleman says:

    I keep reading about this plastic plate cover and tinted windows should be banned or outlawed. People do you think if I was going to commit a crime I would use my own car? Lets get real, people steal cars or change their license plates to committ these crimes.

    What about the guy in George Town that keep snatching purses on his bicylce. What are we going to start say, only tri cycles can be ridden?

    the bottom line is if someone is going to commit a crime there will be ways of circumventing the law of the land. Lets see is it legal guns these thugs are using? No, so do we ban all guns? If we do, the criminals will still have illegal guns. Get where I am going? 

    The issue we have on this island is that everyone talks even the RCIPS and by virtue of this no one wants to come forward and report a crime and if they do,they are next victim. In addition to this most of the RCIPS are expatriates. I would not personally feel comfortable talking with them as I don't know them and this is human nature.

    in closing with the$3m CCTV program these guys should already be behind bars. Mr Eric bush why do you still require people to come forward? I really would like my money back!

    • Anonymous says:

      Well, let's just see if  this car as stolen. I say enforce all laws. License plates, speeding, murder.  

    • Anonymous says:

      What is Mr. Eric Bush doing to address our growing crime problem? As the Chief Officer he is responsible for his portfolio.

    • Richard Wadd says:

      Here are a few comments in response to your remarks.

      Firstly, it IS already unlawful to interfere with, alter or obstruct the view of a Vehicle's License Plate. 

      People commit Crimes for 2 main reasons. Either they are desperate (not the case in the Cayman Islands), or they believe that they can get away with the crime.

       Our problem here is the latter. We quite frankly have 'Laws with no Teeth', an even more USELESS Police force , and a Judicial / Justice system that is grossly inept at doing their job (administering Justice on behalf of the Law Abiding citizens of this country).

       The ENTIRE RCIPS needs a major overhaul, starting at the Top.

       The Criminals here have more rights than the Victims they prey upon! 

      We need to show the WORLD, that in the Cayman Islands, if a criminal violates another persons rights, then they loose their 'right' to be treated as an equal in our society.

       And STOP wasting our hard-earned money paying for Legal Aid for this "Scum", if you profit from crime, then you can fund your own Legal Aid.

       Lastly. bring back the 'Cat-o-nine' for heaneous crimes such as Rape, child abuse, molestation and Drug Dealers.

       Let us put "the Fear of GOD" back in the minds of these heartless criminals and make this a better society for ALL who live here and visit our shores.

      • Anonymous says:

        The families who encourage their children in criminal activities should be penalized as well.  Too many times children are protected, knowing they are involved and are supported to carry on illicit trade and illegal activities.  Not pointing figures at anyone, but that is the situation that exists.

        RCIP: need to change the anarchic way of policing.  When they are driving up searching for suspected criminals, people in the districts are aware of and know where the criminal is hanging out oar hiding out, but due to the RCIP not having the right contact with the people/residents, they are not able to find the person.  They need to get out of those air-conditioned cars and meet the public, garner info that could assist them in there search.

        Public trust:  It is difficult to give information to some one you have no trust in.  Officers who have no contact with locals and are from an different jurisdiction, are seldom ever able to get cooperation from the citizens.  They are not familiar with the people nor the place, so the RCIP needs to find upright citizens in communities that they can liase with to garner formation.


  9. Anonymous says:

    I was just wondering if these are not part of the gang that was recently released? if it is, the leaders must be in Northward operating their business, as usual.  The Police needs to round up all the former prisoners and do a gun powder test on everyone of them. Just like they do at the USA Airports.

  10. Anonymous says:

    I know some of you will not agree with me .But your system isn't working. When the criminal is caught punish them in front of Heroes square. Beat their ass with a switch. Remember don't feel sorry for them. 

    Some of these wanna be gangstas want respect. Take it away from them and you will conquer them.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Article says- he opened the door to them.  This has to mean he must have known them or recognised them.  People usually don't blindly open their doors to strangers no matter how much a bad boy you may think you are.  Police need to start asking questions to his peers and acquaintances.

    • Anonymous says:

      The word on da street is this boy was a witness in a previous murder case, and not for the defendant. Word also is he tried to turn his life around. WORD is he was holding his two year old when someone knocked on the door, and he put his baby down to look thru the curtain to see who was knocking. I can only assume he knew the person at the door, which is why he opened the door.  I implore you, writer, can you possibly find it in your heart to recognised that some people do want to change, and try to. Can I also suggest you show some compassion. Not all criminals mean to be that. Perhaps they were forced, given ultimatums, and didn't have the opportunities from young in life to, say for example, get a good education. More importantly, perhaps some criminals were never graced with a loving family and/or good role model. I was a terror when I was young. My life could've gone the same way as this kid, fortunately my mum was strict on my arse. She was a single mum since our dad left when we were really young (6 & 9). She never hit us, but instilled everyday manners, priorities and general humane principles. But above all she had sooooo much love and time for us. Unfortunately, there are so many children here in Cayman, and worldwide who haven't been provided with these values and shown lots of love.  That said, when these kids grow up – they DO have choices. From what I understand, this young man made a choice to get out of dodge as he loved his own little family and wanted to do right by them. So, again writer, perhaps you can consider the above before you write a post. My question on this matter is simple. If someone stands as a witness against a defendant on charges of murder (that is clearly gang related), why isn't there a witness protection program in place?

      • Anny Omis says:

        You say that ‘word is also that he tIred to turn his life around’. Um, he was in court last week for 14 charges including burglary, weapons, and drugs. Doesn’t appeare that he was trying too hard. I feel for this young man’s family, and this is a terrible, cowardly crime . But, lets not kid ourselves, he was no saint.
        Do you think that if he made his education a priority, stayed away from drugs, didn’t commit crimes, ect. that he would have been targeted? I think it unlikely.

  12. UHUHUH says:

    To All those whoare wondering what's happening with our Island! The answer is simple. What we need is a police task force that have the skills, experience, the will and the backing from those who run the country to get out there and KICK SOME ASS. We let these little punks intimidate and scare us into doing nothing, and the more we capitulate to their system, the worse things become.

    Here's a suggestion! Lets look at these criminal act as a war against society and go about winning this war by whatever means necessary. This means that when wego after these criminals we cannot treat them like poor little kids and feel sorry for them. We have to use whatever force is necessary to rid our Island of these criminals. which brings me to a solution!

    Give these people an amnesty! Allowing them to come clean and try to rehabilitate  them and try to help them become productive citizens. If they don't accept this offer, then war is declared and THEY will then be responsible for what ever happens after. Meanwhile those who are charged with the job of protecting the Citizenry of this island will do whatever is necessary stem the tide of escalating crime. Be it raids on the residences where these criminals reside or at anytime they are being sought for any criminal activity. They are then arrested and  and interrogated as often as necessary, until they get the message that the police are serious about getting them of the streets and put in prison where they belong.

    Think about this. The City New York  with 10 million people had the highest crime rate in the U.S. and within four years after Mayor Juiiani decided to do something it was turned around to a point where they now are considered one of the safest cities in the world. Maybe we should invite Mr. Juliani and or his chief of police to come here and spend a few days teaching our guys how to get the job done. 



    • SinGood says:

      The real truth is, the criminals were chased out of NYC. No reduction in serious crime overall. Crime was moved/pushed to the poorer parts of the state to make sure the tourist dollars keep flowing in NYC. NIMBY is what it all came down to. For GCM, where are we to put the crime boys and girls? Chase them out to where? My feelings are; There needs to be a different tactic and plans for what we have going on. First, more visible patrols, more walk-abouts, a more proactive police service. Get out there, be seen, heard and interact, but not with an attitude, do so in a professional manner. Respect given is respect due. Earn the public’s respect and trust and not be a demanding bully because you are an officer of the RCIPS. Too many times I’ve had to deal with some officers who take the “I’m the law” attitude. It’s a turn off for a lot of people, who in turn stop caring about authority and just ignore any and all helpful requests.

      • Anonymous says:

        You are right 17:14! The bullying tactics by some within the law enforcement arms of government needs to cease. It is not only the RCIPS but also some in the Immigration Department, Customs etc. If they could get past themselves and beyond the "I'm doing you a favor" attitudes they might find that the rest of us minions would be more inclined to communicate and work with them. Just sayin …

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes push them out! Everyone in Cayman should or could have two passporta.
        Push them out yes!

    • Anonymous says:

      16:12, what we need are all Caymanian parents( not a "police force") to actually take an interest in the proper raising of their kids from the day of their birth instead of beating them, shouting at them while letting them do what they want, telling them foreigners are taking their jobs, the police are against them, if someone troubles your "cousin" you go beat him, if someone trouble you, you beat he damn ass, don't take no lip from any of dem teachers, etc etc. Most-thank God- parents are as good as parents can be, but we have a bunch-a growing bunch- of utter useless dregs who are doing nothing but letting their kids grow into gangstas. And, by the way, the 20 year old thugs of today, are the children of the thugs of the 1980s and 90s. But no one, especially the ladies in the Education Department, would listen to us.

      Ms A. Teacher.

    • Anonymous says:

      I like your post, but you know those human rights people and the lawyers, they won't want that too much.  Then I think of poor old Raib Welcome.  He did exactly what you are advocating and look what it cost him.  Society has its sh-t wrong.  It's all in favour of the criminals.  something has to change. 

      We also have to look at teaching the little ones who are growing up in the homes of these criminals to value life, themselves and others and steer them away from following their parents footsteps of a life of crime, otherwise the next generation will be worse than this one.

      • Anonymous says:

        What happened to Raib Welcome?  Sorry, I must have been offi island and missed that.

    • Anonymous says:

      While you're at it, have Michael Bloomberg introduce his crusade against gun violence.

    • anonymous says:

      So let me get this straight. You are not happy with the foreigners here but want to bring some different foreigners in to do the job for you. At the Same time, want the jobs for Caymanians!

      No wonder it is f+++ed up here.

    • The Caymanian says:

      The answer is actually simpler.  Cayman islands culture is a great place to learn and be a criminal.  They can live a criminal life for as long as they don't get caught and everyone they know knows them for what they are and its OK.  Just like many of the government big wigs who make money on the side.  Its part of Cayman culture still.  XXXX

    • Anonymous says:

      What we really need is to stop wasting time trying to get people to believe that praying is the answer to all problems – IT HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER WORK !!! don't want to hear it keep your prayers to your self – two hands working can do more than a million clasped in prayer and until we understand this, nothing will get better !!  I AM SICK OF ALL THE RELIGIOUS CRAP !!

      • Anonymoose says:

        You have completely missed the point here. Maybe your two hands should be doing more than typing extremely ignorant comments and bashing religion. 

  13. Anonymoose says:

    Thank you CNS for clarifying that it was a "motor" car, I'll be on the look-out…

    • Anonymous says:

      Wait are we all missing the KEY ISSUES HERE??? He was a key witness in a murder trial…no protection after the fact.  Did anyone in the RCIPS even think of this?  Did the Crown think of this?  No matter what, he was a witness and HE SHOULD HAVE HAD SOME PROTECTION AND HIS FAMILY FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE…but unfortunately he is dead now after he did the right thing….very sad…


      How dare the Police say to us, we need to stop crime, we need to report crime….they are out of their minds…..i will not report anything and i advise everyone else to do the same or you will end up like this poor man….leaving a pregnant girlfriend and a two year old.  

      • Anonymous says:

        You are missing the issue. He was a witness in a trial. So what? It doesn’t say he was a key witness. If the police gave 24/7 protection to every witness than they wouldn’t be able to do anything else. Your attitude says to me that you are part of the problem and definitely not part of any solution to the crime problem on this island. It looks to me that he was killed by a fellow gangsta. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Simple. Stop blaming the police because we can’t teach our kids how to be decent law abiding citizens.

        • Anonymous says:

          He was  a key witness. Without his testimony there would not likely have been a conviction.

      • Anonymous says:

        It is people like you who fail to report crime when you see it, that is partly responsible for more crime continuing .

      • Anonymous says:

        "a pregnant girlfriend and a two year old" – who are now witnesses to his murder.

      • Anny omis says:

        I do not know the particulars of his case, but where should we send him for witness protection? Clearly this Island is too small to effectively provide such an option. And it appears this young man was no stranger to criminal behavior. The court docket shows him appearing for serious offences on Oct 2, that was Tuesday. He also has a previous conviction. What country would take him? None that I can think of.
        He certainly did not deserve to die, and the shooters are cowards, but you make choices in life. And if you live by the gun, death by said is a sad, but likely, outcome.

  14. Anonymous says:

    Again so sad!!  My prayers go out to his family. 

    I wish I knew though how to get this gansta mentality out of the heads of our young men.  It seems that as they hit puberty their only aspiration is how to be a good thug!  But I feel that when parenting starts to pull to the right way (not fathers at home smoking and drinking, pants falling off, music blaring etc and be a real hardworking honest man their kids can look upand girls stop searching for the most low down, lazy, thuggish guy to have kids by), then the Government starts enforcing madatory work/labor or college after high school then these young people might develop a sense of integrity. 

    I have heard some countries arrest and detain anyone found gathering in suspicious gang like groups or just hanging out at street corners or  bars.  Not a bad idea maybe- is anything really constructive coming out the the meetings of young men I see everyday just loafing.  If they say they cant get jobs put um to work pulling bush or something to beautify the roadsides instead or loitering it.  Also licence dept. need to maybe start asking questions or for proof of how a vehicle was aquired before licensing.  Too many guys driving these fancy cars that have no job- duh what kind of lifestyle are they into?

  15. Anonymous says:

    This is speculation, but I would guess it's a beat up early 90s Honda with tinted windows and stuff hanging from the rearview mirror. The driver's seat will be reclined to nearly horizontal. It probably has lowered suspension and possibly has a word or a slogan that walks the line between being ironically funny and making you cringe with embarassment written across the top of the windscreen. At least 60% of the car's value will be in the stereo and speakers. The suspects will not be white girls.

    • Anonymous says:

      In the UK a couple of years ago the law was changed so that if a vehicle was stopped and it had no insurance it was immediately impounded. People couldn't beleive it when the Police just take the keys!!. It was one of the best moves ever made to remove illegal vehicles off the road. Surely they could do the same in Cayman, tinted windows?, the Police should tear it off and give the driver a ticket. Covered number plates, seize the vehicle and fine the driver. All the time you pussy foot around the criminals are just laughing, take away there cars and OH BOY THAT HURTS!!!!.

  16. Whodatis says:

    3 tiny islands + many, many boats = many, many illegal guns in circulation.

    Condolences to the family.

    RIP to the deceased.

    The best way to turn your life around is to never have to.

    It is all about life choices … who's next??

    • Anonymous says:

      So we should ban boat ownership?

      • Whodatis says:

        Yes, because this is the time to make embarassing attempts at humor.

        Grow up and show some respect please.

    • Anonymous says:

      Yet Whodatis is critical of gun sentencing policy. . . . 

      • Whodatis says:

        How so?

        • Anonymous says:

          Because apparently it is part of an anti-native agenda.

          • Whodatis says:

            Ok, if that is your opinion then fine.

            However, I still fail to see how any of it connects to me.

            Could it be that you are in some way obsessed with Whodatis?

  17. Anonymous says:

    i guess the 15 known individuals # hasjust become 25 or 30 unknown.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Well until the police are able to protect us we have no choice but to protect ourselves. Get flare guns, wasp spray, machetes, and be prepared.

    • Fedujp Caymanian says:

      To hell with flare guns I am getting myself armed with real guns to protect my family. To hell also with the police department I am so sick and tired of them not doing their jobs in putting these cops to work the streets night and day to try and protect us!  I am fedup with the high rate crime and no injustice being done and as a born caymanina citizen let this be a warningto any mask criminal out there come knocking on my door I have a special treat for you all.  I am done so done!!!!

      • Anonymous says:

        Ignorance wreaks from your words.  You could have all the guns in the world, but if someone pulls one on you before you even get to think about yours the only thing you'll do is drop a wad in the back of your pants.

      • Anonymous says:

        That's right Bobo……idiot

        yeah lets all arm ourselves to the teeth and see we're that gets us

        you really think that that kid that got shot was a victim of some random break in?

        marina drive is a toilet and this is a gang related shooting simples

        if people like you spent more time thinking about who these pieces of crap out there really are and what you see them doing, from the laid back drivers seats and tinted window up then maybe they wouldn't be shooting each oth up every night and be inside the big house instead. And guess what it ain't expats either.

  19. Anonymous says:

    Why is everyone acting so shocked? I agree that it is sad to have lost a life, and no one should have the right to take another's life. My condolences to his family!  

    But people, the reality of this mess is that, "if you live by the gun, you will die by the gun".

    Whilst I am not about to give praise to this individual, but remember when a high ranking “gang member” tried to tell the people of this community that the gang violence was going to get worse… Remember when they said, “The police of the “time” aren’t seasoned”? They have no clue as to what is happening. “In order to catch a criminal you must first be able to think like one”… Remember when they told us that many of these crimes can’t be solved because many of these corrupt crimes involved cops…?

    Ok… Fri, 04/10/2013 – 09:37… let’s not get it too twisted. Do you realize the population of Baltimore and a small community in the UK really isn’t a fair comparison to Grand Cayman? And I'm almost sure those cops would have solved this case several hours ago. And if not, I can pretty much gaurantee they would know who the suspect is and what exactly he ate for breakfast 8 days ago. The cops here… well, come on, you know how that is… LOL  They are in thier re-active state of mind and not thier proactive one…

    With our population there shouldn’t be any reason cops can’t solve crime at a reasonable rate. A cop’s salary should be commission based; they can only get paid for what crime is solved and what criminals are convicted.


    It’s about due time for “marijuana” related offences to be treated as a misdemeanor and a fineable offence (with-in reason and not applicable to trafficking) in order to make space for gun toting, armed robbing, sexual assaulting, child molesting animals who deserve to be placed in cages and sweltering heats as opposed to new comfy cells. Implement a 25-life sentence for unlicensed fire arms.

    • Anonymous says:

      Commission based you must be kidding I know somebody that is not going to make a cent if that is implemented Look at this place what a mess we are in. NO worries more bobbies on the Beat will be here soon to fix our problem and take our money back to the UK the premier and his group will make sure of that.

  20. Anonymous says:


  21. Anonymous says:

    Condolence to the family  very sad , this is  shocking  news for a community like cayman but i don't  it will better anytime soon, with all the human rights stuff and slap on the wrist jail time hardened criminals and criminals in the making  have nothing to fear, having said that someone this cold nothing would matters , but some of the criminals would think different if the penaltys were stiffer.


  22. Anonymous says:

    A white car…..with Suspects in it.  Just a matter of time then.


  23. Anonymous says:

    I  assume  the Police are looking for the suspects' car on CCTV footage, so why is it that so many cars in Cayman have plastic plate covers, some of them tinted, that make it almost impossible to read the plates?  It seems the revised traffic law fails to make these illegal, so who was asleep at the wheel when the recommendation by the Police Department were sent in? I understand these plastic covers were intended to prevent road cameras from recording licence plates in situations like Sunpass tolls in Florida. In any case, whatever their real purpose, they render  our number plates almost impossible to read, even in bright sunlight. And don't get me started on black window tint…


    • Anonymous says:

      These youngsters just take off the car shades when they want and place them back on when they want tocommit a crime. There is really nothing the police can do on the road to prevent them from doing this.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes they can.  These covers should be outlawed and implement an onerous pentaly for havingthem – $500 or $1000.  Once they are outlawed the police shuold be stopping any car that has them and fining the car driver.  This will drastically reduce the use of them and ensure that those still using them stick out like a sore thumb.  Therefore, even if the criminals only put them on before a crime, if the police spots the car with the covers, it will be stopped and fine.  Such an operation could lead to further discoveries – e.g. finding a gun in the car etc.  It's NY's 'broken window' policy, targeting these small infractions often leads to solving bigger crimes. 

        • Anonymous says:

          I agree 100%, but since the police are wilfully blind about tinted windows which all the rest of us can see, I don't hold out any hope of them treating tinted plate-covers any differently. I simply do NOT understand why they don't just stand by the side of the road and stop every car with illegally tinted windows. Seriously: can anyone explain it?

          • Anonymous says:

            I'm stumped as well, unless it's the willfully blind thing. Their is so much here about law enforcement that is mind boggeling that I tend to think it's cultural and I will never really understand it.

        • Anonymous says:

          This is already in the law!!!! just not enforced as we dont have a traffic dept. one man on a bike cant do everything….

          • Anonymous says:

            That would mean the police would have to get out of their air-conditioned car and actually do something useful.  Not going to happen in the Cayman Islands.  

        • Anonymous says:

          Here are two laws that are in effect but HAVE NEVER BEEN ENFORCED:


          Tinted Windows

          Loud Radio playing in cars


          The police are either to afraid or just to damn lazy to do anything about it


          Cayman is the country who passes laws but cannot enforce them


          Case closed

          • Anonymous says:

            On a fixed penalty basis I could be a rich man by midday every day on this island !

        • Anonymous says:

          Agree, why does it appear that that you can be nailed very easily for using a cell phone but if you have tinted windows or licence plate you can not be seen  by our finest boys in blue ? FFS it's not like you even have to SEEthe driver to pull over and issue  a ticket for these offences….

      • Anonymous says:

        I agree with you and first poster, however, if they do put them back on the police have a reason to stop them and I would hope search their vehicle.

      • Anonymous says:

        Here's a thought – our legislators could easily amend the law to say that covering plates is an offense and the penalty is immediate seizure of the vehicle and a fine on conviction equal to 5 times the value of the vehicle. That way whenever the police find a vehicle with plate covers they must stop the car and impound it. In my view the same should be done in respect of tinted windows.

        • Anonymous says:

          I think a simple ticket, actually written, for the same amount as a missing plate would do.

      • Anonymous says:

        here's one thing- add them to the list of prohibitied items and hold Customs accountable when they check the imports for fining and confiscating.  Oh wait, did I saw the A word?  

        • Anonymous says:

          yes you did you silly bunny. now lets not forget that we dont really do accountability down here. it's not our way.

    • Anonymous says:

      I was told my licence plate could not be seen and had to be replaced 15 years ago!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      AGREED!  My pet peeve is those damn dark plastic covers on the plates.   Make them immediately illegal.    What is the point of even having plates if people are going to obscure them?   So annoying. 

      • Anonymous says:

        it is the lazy a**hole people in government who won’t make a law that it is illegal to import tint films and dark plastic cover for license plates as they want the duty money for their luxury life and they don’t care about the locals!

    • Anonymous says:

      Just came from Harbour House Marina and guess what, "I didn't see a single CCTV camera on a light pole between the crime scene and McRuss at the junction. I doubt there are any cameras along Marina Drive period. I would have thought that during the planning process to install cameras, one or two would have been installed along this road, especially at the junction of Shamrock Road and Marina Drive. This is a major road which serves probably between 1,000 – 2,000 residents in the area.

      How many times has McRuss Grocery Store been robbed and broken into in the last ten years ?? It is a well known fact that "strong criminal elements" are living/operates in the Prospect area for many years, which would have certainly justified a CCTV camera to have been installed in this area. Then again, camera's are only as good as the quality of the device, those who install them, monitor them, properly extract the images taken by them and disseminate it accordingly. 

      Let's be clear, CCTV cameras are not the complete answer in the prevention and detection of crimesas the politicians and the powers that be – were trying to make the public believe two years ago. The majority of crimes can be prevented and detected by having good local knowledge and not being disconnected from the community that you serve. Many of the police officers that you see on patrol today have no local knowledge, are isolated in their A/C cars driving the speed limit or above, their main attention are on their i-Pod's, cell phones and other personal mobile devices.

      A good police officer will rarely maintain or exceed the speed limit unless you are responding to an emergency situation or proceeding on a planned operation. Their focus and emphasis should be in the "heart of the community" and the "hot spots" where the infancy of crime begins and is festering. He/she should be observant, a good listener, assertive but also have a sense of discretion when appropriate, inquisitive and proactive at all times.

      How can you be an effective member of the RCIP when you don't know that CNB has a branch in central George Town ?? How can you be leader if you sit at a desk and never go in the field from time to time and help lead your troops into battle against the criminal elements ?? Many of the RCIPS officers are capable to doing a good job but the problem is the upper leadership is poor. They don't have a clue what's going on in the community, their subordinates are scratching their heads looking for guidance and the criminals are having a field day with law abiding citizens.  

      I don't like to say this, but within 12 months time the US State Department will be issuing a travel advisory caution on the Cayman Islands – the same as they did for Mexico, Jamaica, Trinidad & Tobago, Venezuela, Honduras, Colombia etc etc….

      Commissioner Baines, please get out of your cusshy seat in the "Ivory Tower" at least 1 time per week with your troops and lead them into battle against this insurgency of crime that has gripped this nation. It will most certainly boost the morale of your officers and give re-assurance to the community. Derek Haines did this when he ran DTF and this is when we all read about arrests and seizures of 5,000, 4,000, 3,000, 2,7000 pounds of Ganja, Kilo's and Kilo's of cocaine, AK 47's and 9 mm Guns and ammo recoverd left right and centre. The biggest "Dan" of the Cayman Island was arrested at the time, investigated and subsequently convicted directly as a result of the then Crime Squad and DTF members. This former Dan even wrote a book from prison where her said that Derek Haines and his boy's were always like a tick in his ass and he found it extremely difficult to bribe and maneuver around them.      






      • Anonymous says:

        I agree !00% . The Goverment& police department is responibill why the crime is out of control . why is police not made acountable for enforceing the laws? Then you  should take pictures with your cell phone & go to the tv station with the story of how the officer is not enforceing the law. police need to do more to earn their pay .they need to be walking behind the prisoners chained together in george town , and makeing each one of them saying what crime they done infront of every child,man,woman,tourist .This would make most impact on kids to know if they did something wrong this is what they would have to do , the crimal do not like showing his face in the public  becase thats why he wear a mask when he is doing the crime .

    • Anonymous says:

      I'm just curious here, does it say in the news article that the "white" car windows and license plate were tinted? Are was that just pure speculation, an ssumption? Personlly, I don't like to comment without the actual facts.


    • Anonymous says:

      They can toot all the horns they want about the CCTVs but really??? if they were really working there would be more arrests for the crimes that are going on.

  24. Anonymous says:

    Condolences to this young man family. regardless of what life style he mite have lived he was someones child. We as parents  do not know the road our kids will take  all we can do is pray for them once they are out of sight. The choices they make is up to them.

    • Anonymous says:

      You can do more than pray. You can bring them up with morals and values. Make sure they have an education, guide them along the way. Watch for changes in behaviour and address it early. You can't just bring a child into the world and hope for the best. This is where these problems are stemming from.

      My condolences to the family.

      • Fedup Caymanian says:

        Even if you bring your children up with good morals these days they are still going to be doing the ordinary.  You can even raised a child up in the church and they can still turn out to be criminals. So, don't blame the parents it is not their downfall for I know that everyone of them tried their best in raising these children with proper morals. This generation of today  do not listen to anyone at all, not even their parents, they are nothing but a bunch of vipers who have no consideration for authority. 

  25. Anonymous says:

    Talk is they were driving a white malibu

  26. Anonymous says:

    Shot multiple times in front of his two year old with his pregnant girlfriend home at the time? WTF!  I do not care what this young man has done to diss or piss off someone – who gave someone the right to play God with this man's life and to leave the two year old  and the unborn child without a daddy?



    • Anonymous says:

      Lets just say this 'victim' CHOSE to be part of this lifestyle.   No one deserves to be shot, but when you lie down in the middle of the road, you cant be surprised if you get run over.  

      Hopefully this is a lesson to "wannabe playas"

  27. Anonymous says:

    My family ran from Jamaica decades ago from this. We held out as long as we could before making that choice. Here we see things going the same way and it hurts me to even consider moving from here. I know we don't get many people admitting that Cayman has been good to them, but I will. I have made many friends here, who I consider to be my Caymanian familly. It would be a shame for me or anyone to leave this island because of criminal activity and fear of life.

    • Anonymous says:

      Trust me, Cayman is still a better place to live compared to other places.  What?!  Two murders for the year!  That's an A+ compared to let's say the city of Baltimore in the United States or a small community in the UK.

      • Anonymous says:

        Nope.  The murder rate in Cayman is right up there with the very worst of them.  And worse of all the murder rate is extremely high if you discount murders of one family member by another from the stats.  This latter figure is a better representation of the "violence risk" in a country.

        • Anonymous says:

          I am not the original poster, but while it is true that Cayman's murder rate is unacceptably high (even two murders in a small population represents a high percentage or about 4/100,000) it is not true that it is up there with "the very worst of them". Even with the murder rate in Jamaica being at its 7 year low it is still 20 per 100,000 people. In Mexico the rate is 22/100,000 even after a drop: Of course Mexico and Jamaica are not who we should be comparing ourselves with, but the point is please don't exaggerate, it only undermines your point. As a matter of interest our murder rate is similar to that of Bermuda which had 5 murders last year and 8 in 2011. 

          I don't understand the statement that if you eliminate intra-family murders the murder rate is still extremely high. Are you aware of other secret murders that the public is not?  



          • Anonymous says:

            The family murder reference would be to the murder rates of the countries used by the original poster as examples, notably the UK and the US.  And there have been years when Cayman has been up there with the Mexicos of the world when it comes to murder rates.

            • Anonymous says:

              The highest number of murders that we've ever had was in 2011 when we had 8 which would be about 16/100,000 and a single year does not a murder rate make. Cayman's murder rate is not now and has never been equal to or near to Mexico's or Jamaica's. Don't exaggerate.   

          • Anonymous says:

            Interesting – 5 thumbs up and 5 thumbs down. The post seems to be well-supported on the facts. What were the thumbs down for?  

      • SSM345 says:

        That's it 09:37, sweep it under the rug, pretend its nothing and compare it to a country or small town with millions or hundreds of thousands of people.

        Thats 4 armed robberies and a murder in 5 consecutive days on an island 27 miles long you moron. That is serious crime that is out of control no matter wher you are from.

      • visitor. says:

        hmmm.. typical on cns that you would have so many thumbs down from the crowd that sees Cayman through distorted lens.  the island is a great place, dont be so ungrateful 

      • Anonymous says:

        This ++++++++++++ kind of thinking is the reason we are

        experiencing the problems we have now.

        How on earth you can ++++++++++ compare a city with millions of people

        to our Islands with less than Sixty thousand, 60,000.

        The ratio of murders and crime here makes us one of the most crime infested

        places to live. +++++++ check it out. Jamaica 3,000,000 + three million + compared to

        52,000, fifty two thousand here. 

      • Anonymous says:

        Such a stupid comment! How can you compare places of hundreds of millions of people? Do you realize that at the rate these crimes (burglaries, invasions..) are going that we will be doomed if this continues! There are many counties in those countries that have minimal crime with over 100,000 ppl. I use to live in the US and within 76 freakin square miles this amount of crime was unheard of in addition u can be rest assured if it did happen at least 70% of them would be solved. Also why in the he$&@@ is the footage not being releasedfor public viewing so we can all tackle this issue!! Everywhere in the world is crime but not all depend on tourism and banking/investments! And the rate is going is damn scary!

      • Hoping for better days says:

        It really rubs me the wrong way when people compare us to other jurisdictions. RUBBISH!

        It is non-sense to compare Cayman to any other country! WHY?

        We are a mere 24 miles long with a population of nearly 60,000 people.

        The fact that we can't get this issue sorted in a small community of people says it all.

        I am so sick of people saying cayman is still better than other places. WE ARE NOT!

        We are worst off when you look at statistics. I would agree with you if we were dealing with MILLIONS of people, but we are not!

        Lastly, the thugs running around here robbing, killing, harrassing etc are only about 50-75 of them on the island spread across the various districts! At most 100. (food for thought) 

      • Rorschach says:

        So true…and by the way..aren't the Emperors new clothes just splendid…

        • Anonymous says:

          To:Submitted by Rorschach on Fri, 04/10/2013 – 11:38.                                                      I will just take your words to be true.

      • Anonymous says:

        There were 39 gun murders in the UK in 2011/2012.  (It was 58 in 2010/2011, 39 in 2009/2010 and 39 in 2008/2009)

        Cayman is 10/12th through the year so the average for the year will be about 2.4.

        The population of the UK is 63.25 million.  The population of Cayman is 52,500.  if the UK had the same gun murder rate as Cayman it would have 2,890 gun murders in a year.

        So the gun murder rate by population of the UK is 1.3% of the gun murder rate of Cayman.

        Which means you, sir, are talking crap.

      • Anonymous says:

        Two murders on an island the size of Grand Cayman is disgusting. Don't compare this place to huge populations. There's no comparison.

      • Anonymous says:

        We all know the USA is the murder/gun capital of the world…try comparing us to the other 180 countries on a per capita basis and get ready for the shock!!

      • Anonymous says:

        Basically sir, you're talking bollocks!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      First of all, RIP to the young man.

      Someone decided to play God with his life and regardless of any wrong doing he was involved in he didn't deserve to die this way (worst infront of the baby momma and his 2 year old child)but I don't for a second believe this was random – he was clearly targeted. So, if you're a law abiding citizen and not involved in anything you shouldn't be doing I wouldn't worry about dying this way, especially in Cayman. If you are worried about being robbed now this is another story.

    • Anonymous says:

      Thank you for being so honest. Its people from Jamaica like you that I admire. I have many many Jamaican friends that are decent citizens, who speak the truth about their own criminals. They admit that Cayman was a wonderful place some years ago and that is why they came here. However we let in the wrong ones and gave them our heritage too. They were the first ones to introduce drugs to our boys. Now it is a disease with the crime and guns. There is nowhere for you to go and also us. So you might as well stay here and help us fight this mess. With the new Immigration law it will only get better worst. Parenting is the main problem. Instead of the churches buying more and more chairs they need to have each and every member assist each with one child in the community. They dont have to be rich to do so just help with alittle lunch when it can be afforded have them over to you homes at times let them see that you have an interest in the and good expectations of them and so forth. You might not be able yo save all but some will be saved. With the new Immigration law coming into effect it will be DOOMSDAY FOR US. People Politicians wake up from your dreaming.

      • Anonymous says:

        The new Immigration Law is designed to make sure that the only expats that get to stay is white professionals. They aren't the problem. When was the last time that you read a police report that said the perps were white and spoke with an American, or Canadian, or British accent?  Believe me, the only ones that will be able to afford and qualify for the new PR standards are those kinds of people. I know the PPM isn't saying that because it's not politically correct, but it's the truth. 

  28. Anonymous says:

    Yesand where is our leadership off to Colombia getting their Jollies Rome aint being built it is burning down around us. Some in the PPM believe they had this wrapped up after the election and could bury themselves in their victory and their self adulation only worried about what would make them look good in front of their flock, handing out jobs and membership and positons to political cronies and family members deliberately ignoring others and even the ederly who have to live here too who are clearly in need. Now we begin to to see the consequences of looking after others and not their own Caymanians who vote them in power. My old School teacher had a saying those who dont care are made to care!

    • Anonymous says:

      Do you really think it would be beneficail for our elected officials to sit around all day waiting for murders to happen? They have business to conduct for this country. What? Moses is supposed to neglect his duties as tourism minister because a murder might happen while he is away?

    • Anonymous says:

      crazy comment…Moses is NOT on the neighbourhoodwatch!!

  29. Anonymous says:

    This is so sad! What's happening to our island! 🙁

    • UHUHUH says:

      To Anonymous and others who are wondering what's happening with our Island! The answer is simple. What we need is a police task force that have the skills, experience, the will and the backing from those who run the country to get out there and KICK SOME ASS. We let these little punks intimidate and scare us into doing nothing, and the more we capitulate to their system, the worse things become.

      Here's a suggestion! Lets look at these criminal act as a war against society and go about winning this war by whatever means necessary. This means that when we go after these criminals we cannot treat them like poor little kids and feel sorry for them. We have to use whatever force is necessary to rid our Island of these criminals. which brings me to a solution!

      Give these people an amnesty! Allowing them to come clean and try to rehabilitate  them and try to help them become productive citizens. If they don't accept this offer, then war is declared and THEY will then be responsible for what ever happens after. Meaning those who are there to protect the Citizenry of this island will do whatever is necessary, be itraids on residences where these criminals reside and arrest and interrogate them as often as necessary., until they get the message that the police are serious about getting them of the streets.

      Think about this. New York City with 10 million people had the greatest crime rate in the U.S. and within four years Mayor Juiiani turned it around to a point where they now have what is considered one of the safest cities in the world. Maybe we should invite Mr. Juliani to come here and speak of his system for turning the tide on crime.     

    • Anonymous says:

      Welcome the new status quo.

      Even more saddening is that in another few years what is happening now will be accepted. The new norm will be razor wire, electric fences and burglar bars. Fifty years ago our then close knit communities would have probably weeded out the criminal element long before anything bad happened. Now as our society becomes even more transient and segregated the less likely the general public will help self-police and inform on criminals. The sad fact is that the majority has been scared into silence.

      Public trust of the Authorities to deal with imformation received in sensitive and secure manner it seems is not where it should be. This is just my viewpont of course, but judging but the number of accolades the RCIPS get from the public it is not hard to state there is plenty of room for development of public trust.

      Let's hope we can all work together to restore public trust in our Police Force and be an active part in reducing crime.

  30. noname says:

    This place is fadng fast just because some people would not listen and instead running around here propping up the inept and incompetent RCIPS Leadership and their Government lackeys how truly sad for this little place where are the JIU,s and Serious Crime & Drugs Task forces the NSC and the OSU all these fancy names and titles when all this place ever need was the OLD DTF Cayman has listened to the advice our colonal masters and our so called ellte who are evidently out touch with reality and our small little community. Well Mr Premier its your neighborhood now and we the voters demand answers from you and that enormus budget consuming Police serice you all help create. Which is fill to the Brim with Foreign Nationals who and i Quote "Should reflect the DIVERSITY OF OUR COMMUNITY" absolute rubbish! When the need for local intelligence is critical to any viable police force. Only Cayman

    • Anonymous says:

      Don't put your dependence on the government or the police to fix your problems. Alot of these criminals at least the local ones that I know, are home grown. The parents didnt parent they should. The community didnt help. And the morals went down the drain because someone put other interest ahead of their children's interest. It seems we are all responsible for the make-up of society and coming back to God is the only answer.

      • Anonymous says:

        Alot of parents have nothing to do with what the child/children have become because i'm a great parent…..most of these kids are pressured to do things, and if your not strong you will fall. So all we have to do is try to raise them and pray for guidence from above. 



    • Anonymous says:

      As usual you appear to lash out at everyone whilst failing to address the real issues. You play the racist card and look to blame all  except those who are responsible. Evil people do evil things. They need to be stopped. We all need to work together to achieve that goal. A community that works together and acts against wrong doers will be stronger and achieve more. A community that looks to blame different sections of itself will fail to resolve anything. All residents, no matter what their origin, race etc need to decide enough is enough and stand together. If you have information give it. If you know who has done something don't hold it back out of fear. Stand up and make these evil people know that evil will not be tolerated on this island.

    • anonymous says:

      This is probably not the best way to get your job back.

  31. Anonymous says:

    Sad, sad, sad.  Hopefully someone will notify the young man's father – who is in prison in England.  Even more sad is the fact that the public knows that this is all drug/gang-related and this will lead to more bloodshed.   Daily armed robberies, shootings, drug boats, road blocks – is this the Cayman Islands?????  When you choose cheaper expatriate labour from India, Honduras, Phillipines and Jamaica, the locals are left unemployed.  XXXX

    • Anonymous says:

      Reply to Sad sad…If   ''the public' ' knows so much about these incidents…

      they should come forward with their information to help put a stop to all this criminal


    • Anonymous says:

      'When you choose cheaper expatriate labour from India, Honduras, Phillipines and Jamaica, the locals are left unemployed.'  – Did you need to add this in, totally unnecessary and untrue!

  32. Anonymous says:

    This story is very sad to me. Another tragic story in the Cayman news. This person is someone's family member no matter what his circumstances were. Pray for the young man and his family and friends.


  33. Anonymous PPM says:

    Like I said Mr Premier call ya "friend" da Commissioner please find whats going on and please get a real advisor because the dreamers runnning this place don't have the slightest clue.

  34. Anonymous says:

    This area has a lot of people hanging out so someoe must have seen the shooting and will be able to give the police some important information.  

    • Anonymous says:

      Yes, then get themselves shot as a witness as appears to have happened here!  What to do…?

  35. Anonymous says:

    These guys naw easy fah yah. Every night now? They getting more foppish and brazen. But the unfortunate part is? The whole world is swiftly changing for the worse. Blame the lack of role model fathers. We got too many dead beat dads and stressed out mothers. Sons and daughters growing up with so much anger.. Enough. We have to banish this type of child neglect. We should hold absentee parents accountable for their lack of responsibility to society. Something has to change.

    • Anonymous says:

      AMEN!! I'm glad someone called it like it is…cat chasing its tail..and our Judicial System does nothing to help themothers..merely a slap on the father's wrist.  Now they putting madness in children head at school bout call 911 for child abuse if you are punished.  SERIOUSLY..a good old fashioned @**n didn't kill the rest of us grown folk.  It and lack of fatherly presense is what is the problem here. So what if you and the mom have split up – it didn't strip you of the "father" role you are supposed to play.

      • Anonymous says:

        So true. And if a single mother missed most of her children’s PTA’s because she is at her second job. Social services calls it neglect. But yet, a father can just deny parentage and be free to knock more people up? Don’t get it. This place has gone mad! No morals.

  36. Foreign Devil says:

    Shooting and looting! What the heck is going on?

  37. R says:

    This place is gone and it aint coming back?

  38. Weapons Grade Bollocks says:

    Total non-performance by RCIP going back many years.

    Let's be charitable and say there are 2,000 bad minded people in Cayman who are predisposed to committing serious offences.

    Now 2,000 is a huge stretch of course and the number of real baddies is probably less than 200.

    And let's assume that RCIP has 200 beat officers out of its total staff of 400 plus.

    That means that on a worst case scenario (2,000 baddies) each beat cop has to watch 10 baddies, but in reality probably only needs to monitor 1 baddy.

    How hard can this be???

    • Anonymous says:

      Paperwork my friend, paperwork.  Its strangling the RCIPS, I heard that more than a few hours a shift is spent filing paperwork as they have to return to base to do so. Meanwhile our friends to the North have PC's in the squad cars than make filing while patroling possible.  So for for every 4 hours spent on patrol, 30 minutes spent on paperwork, it definitely is not helping the situation.


      • Anonymous says:

        PC's in the car wouldn't work here. I had to give a statement after a robbery and it took around 3 hrs as the policeman was typing with one finger and having to search for each letter.

        Maybe some kind of recording device they could talk into, then have someone office based who is competent on a keyboard type the reports.

      • anonymous says:

        To do this, you are expecting a certain skill level and an assumption that all officers have basic literacy and computer skills.

        The reality is the opposite. Give a statement one day and fight the temptation to write it out for them in 1/4 of the time.

    • Anonymous says:

      Whilst I agree with the sentiment, that's not how it works in the real life unfortunately.

    • Rick says:

      I'm glad you're not a cop. Such idiotic reasoning would have this place overun worse than it is.



  39. Anonymous says:

    Here we go again!