No dump in BT, says Ozzie
(CNS): Following the news that he will now have responsibility for the George Town landfill, Minister Osbourne Bodden confirmed Tuesday that the dump will not be moving but will be tackled on site. With the new ministries only just finalised, Bodden said he was well aware that the situation regarding Grand Cayman’s waste-management was a priority for the Department of Environmental Health. Having campaigned heavily that the dump would not move to his own district of Bodden Town, the new Cabinet minister said he would be looking closely at the plans and proposals that had been examined during the last PPM administration, which focused on dealing with the problem on site.
Speaking at the first Cabinet press briefing held by the new government Tuesday, Bodden, who is now the minister of health, sports, youth and culture, said that there was no way he could forget that the dump was a major priority as he could see it clearly from his new office window.
“Under the last PPM administration we had a number of solutions proposed to remediate. That’s what we will be looking at. It is going to be done on site but it is too early to say how we will approach this. But it is not going to Bodden Town,” he confirmed.
The proposal to cover-up and remediate the existing site and then open a new landfill in Bodden Town was an idea proposed by the Dart Group, which the former UDP government accepted as part of the ForCayman Investment Alliance with the islands’ largest developer.
The decision by the former premier, McKeeva Bush, to entertain the relocation was made just weeks after the former deputy premier’s ministry had completed a full competitive tendering process and selected the US-based management experts Wheelabrator to set up a waste-to-energy facility and begin the remediation of the dump on site. The local partner, Peter Campbell, is now suing the Cayman government as a result of the decision, which had overturned the results of the open tender process.
Although the previous UDP government had signed a deal with Dart regarding the West Bay Road projects, nothing was signed in relation to the moving of the dump. It is understood that Dart had undertaken exploratory work on the proposed Midland Acre site in preparation for an environmental impact study but nothing more. With the dump now staying put, however, Dart’s plans to build out its residential development in Camana Bay are likely to be shelved.
Following the breakdown of negotiations between the interim PNA government and Dart just before the elections, the situation regarding all of the proposed investment deal remains up in the air. Speaking at the briefing on Tuesday, the new premier, Alden McLaughlin, said that since being elected to office he has received no official communications from the Dart Group about the FCIA.
As well as facing the ordeal of Mount Trashmore, Osbourne Bodden will also have to deal with Cayman’s burgeoning health costs and its increasing communicable and preventable disease problem. In addition, issues with health insurance and the forthcoming Shetty Hospital are all likely to keep Bodden extremely busy. Weeks before the election, the former health and sports minister, Mark Scotland, had produced a new National Sports Plan, which Bodden said was now sitting on his new desk and was another issue he would be addressing in the coming weeks.
A backbencher in the previous 2005-2009 PPM administration when he was first elected to office in his district of Bodden Town, the new minister is a qualified accountant and a small business owner.
Category: Politics
I have an idea that will work for everyone…just take the garbage off the dock about 2 miles west and just dump it in the sea. The heavy stuff will drop down off the trench and the light stuff will float to Mexico. The food stuff will be eaten by fish. The chemical stuff will be so diluted it not will not be a harm to anyone. Really bad stuff can be encased in concrete to allow it to drop to the bottom. Good news – no district will have a dump!! Seems like a simple solution to me.
Easy to see from all the many different suggestions from Caymanians that the problem is not the dump itself.
Thank you! Mr. Bodden and the PPM !! Now the real work begins! The current administration of the DOE have great ideas of fixing the problem where it is! It now their time for them to shine and show their skills. They just need your support and funds!
"They just need your support and funds!"
Funds? What funds? This is the part where the new Govt understands that:
1. There isn't any money just hanging around just waiting to be spent on the issue
2. This is just one of several projects that will be competing to be resourced
3. You can't borrow (UK won't allow it on the scale needed)
4. Even getting an RFP and planning together will take time (and cost money to do right), and the whole mess of a situation/the way bidders have been treated in the past will likely result in less bids/competition. If you are a Global waste management company why would you spend your time bidding on this relatively small one-off project, on a small foreign island, with a history of that island screwing the tender winners around, and where a real risk is that the large developer next door could throw spanners in the works if they feel their property will be negatively impacted.
5. No one is going to build it for free (well maybe a specific someone…..but you've already shot your mouth off and told the world that that person's plan isdead on arrival.
Prediction: In 4 years time the George Town Landfill will be bigger, smellier, and there will be no real plan in place.
"where a real risk is that the large developer next door could throw spanners in the works if they feel their property will be negatively impacted."
"Oh yes, of course, of course, the entire island should be made to run everything through him." Yeah because we have all those hundreds of other billionaires lining up to invest and offering solutions with cash in hand. Its comments like yours that make me despair for my island. We don't have to be a slave to Dart, but at least lets work to see if we can have a mutually beneficial relationship so, you know, we can actually solve this thing sometime this decade. Why couldn't Ozzie at least talked with Dart first and asked them for a plan B? Would a week or two of listening and talking hurt?
Dart is still free to present Plan B since Plan A involved putting the dump in BT.
you must be joking..right?
When considering a move to somewhere, remember the prevailing winds. Blowing from East, North East to South, South West. Moving it to BT will affect areas like Central GT, South Sound, Savannah etc etc. Moving it to the further point of WB, that being Barcus the prevailing winds will blow the stench out to sea.
With some of the stench that already emanates from West Bay, the smell of a dump might be appealing.
And where does the wind blow the stench in countries where their facilities are in the middle of everything. This faclity if done right… one should not notice that it even existed. we all need to take a trip off Island, and educate ourselves.
Too many narrow minded people with unreal ideas.
06/05/13 – so to place a dump in the middle of the wetlands is ok by you and all of Dart’s dollar followers? Then again that would mean two contaminated sites on our hands? Bottom line the existing issue can be fixed on site and recycled to energy and the greatest thing is that CUC is right next door!
I agree where it is located is not the ideal place but the site is already contaminated and I am certain Dart would be in a position to set up a recycling plant where it is just to save his return on investments surrounding the dump. This man cannot expect to have his cake and eat it too. He found the dump there and should respect that the little man in Bodden also wants his little property to have a return on his investment too. Shame shame shame on Dart and all his $ followers.
Agreed!
4 Cayman,
Here is the problem, DART bought ALL the land surrounding the dump right up to the Hyatt waaayyy back……waaayyy before development started at Camana Bay and everywhere else.
But guess what, he did it because there was a deal in place i.e. contract, that the Goverment would address the issue of the dump i.e. fix the issue, BEFORE IT GOT COMPLETELY OUT OF HAND or put another way, before the brink of no return.
Guess what happended? DART built Camana Bay and continues to but there is a large smelly dump in the middle of the plan now.
A dump, that cannot be treated because they should have done it 15yrs ago. A dump that is destroying the environment on a daily basis. A dump that acts as the very first landmark each and every cruise ship views when they arrive in Cayman. A dump that CANNOT BE FIXED IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
So, it has to go.
And it has to go, becasue the lawsuit from DART for the government breaching terms of a contrat AGAIN would be so big it will ruin the island.
And then when that happens….well perhaps you could tell us what we should all do?
To the know it alls who think Cayman is so far behind the times when it comes to Garbage issues, what are your solutions for the Great Pacific Garbage patch and North Atlantic garbage patches as well as other floating garbage around the world?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_garbage_patch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISaGrlpK2zE
Please do not say supporting Dart in any form whatsoever. How much of a percentage of the 3.5 million tons of floating garbage, 90% of which is estmated to be plastic (and likely styrofoam) floating around in the world's oceans have been generated by Dart companies? I would really, really like to know.
Give the CURRENT Cayman Islands Government a little time to come up with the best solution for the local garbage issues and it will be time well spent. Seems they have at least some idea how to approach the issue. That is much more than can be said for the rest of the world.
1 minister 1 junior minister and 1 CHief officer per ministry if this country can’t be fix something is wrobg
Now I know I am dealing now the stupid party, and I am going too make it my business to Piont out the errors of your ways.
Now, for us remediate that dump will cost, with the usual goverment inefficientcys untold millions of dollars it will become another huge cess pool of wasted money.
Dart has a vested interest in doing it because it is next to his half billion dollar investment, he is also willing to do the ground work for a new site for island in Bodden Town.
He will do it right at no cost to us, what do you idiots not understand here.
Do the deal fools!
Silly political comment Ozzie…please read all the documents and reports in your ministry first, find out where Cayman has money to fix problem then come to us with a proper solution. Do realize you are excited to be a Minister but evaluate information first THEN come to us with a reasoned decision. Elections are over.
This argument must not be conducted on a partisan level, it must be about what is good for the Cayman Islands.
About what is best to support our tourism product, about the health of the citizens and residents.
Please try and see the bigger picture. The Cayman Islands must compare our tourism product to our regional competition.
We must compare our financial services product to our global and regional competition.
We must ask the question ‘What is for for the Caymanian People’.
If we do not analyze our services and constantly try to improve upon them we will drown in complacency driven by small minded thinking.
Nicholas B Robson
Director-General
Cayman Institute
It has always been dealt with partisan and not in my back yard, but it needs to be addressed by a committee from all districts as it will end up destroying everyones island. The bigger picture is that it is in the wrong place and somebody / party need to step up and deal with it before the dump is the major talking point on Cayman Islands and not what we really have to show and offer the rest of the world
A waste to energy facility will pay for itself very quickly and eliminate Mt Trashomre completely in a few years. I recall reading that the facility Wheelabrator proposed could produce 1/3 of the electricity for Grand Cayman. Selling that electricity to CUC at a reasonable rate and then allowing CUC to mark it up a bit for distribution would lower everyone's CUC bill and drastically reduce the amount of diesel consumed by CUC to generate electricity. I would like to see the fuel charge on my CUC bill go down by 1/3. Wouldn't you? It seems to me that this solves several problems at once. Let's get going with the waste to energy facility.
WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.
The waste at Mount Trashmore is WET. AWaste to Energy plant can only accept a maximum of 15% WET WASTE the rest has to be municipal dry delivery. Therefore, it will take YEARS and YEARS to mine the Mt. Trashmore facility whilst for years and years the dump will be open to the air polluting the surrounding enviroment – namely Camana bay and lower Seven Mile Beach!
That's what happen's when people promise something without doing their homework. They blight Camana Bay, Seven Mile Beach and prolong the completely outdated process of dumping PLUS ignore the advice of an internationally recognized expert in Waste Management that recommends the Pease Bay location.
Experts are not idiots and idiots are not experts!
"Experts are not idiots and idiots are not experts!"
Sounds like a fitting self description to your comment.
What you are missing is that 2/3 of mount trashmore is WET and contains material that cannot be converted to energy–it will take more energy to burn that it produces. Here is a supporting quote from Wikipedia:
"However, because of the high concentration of gases and the unpredictability of the landfill contents, which often include sharp objects, landfill excavation is generally considered DANGEROUS. Furthermore, the quality of materials residing within landfills tends to degrade and such materials are thought to be not worth the risks required to recover them."
It means we will still have garbage pile at the end of this exercise and will still have to create a landfill for it. The waste to energy is only a part of the solution and I agree we need to look at it but it will NOT solve the problems and certainly will not solve them in George Town. Additionally the level of leachate going into the North Sound is incredible and a WTE facility will not solve that either…and that is a true timebomb.
Cayman, please look at this issue properly. Please fix it for our children and their children not just for the votes in 2017. Elections are over!
You are factually incorrect on this (unfortunately). The development in GT of a waste to energy facility will cost 100 million to put in place and cost 18 million to 23 million per year, and produce $6.5 million per year in electricity. There are multiple processes involved, and some complex engineering.
So unfortunately this would be a very costly option. And after the various pollutants and possibly recyclables are extracted, there will be residue ash to dispose of.
did you not hear that this would cost around 100 mill ??????????? do you have 100 mill ??
i don't !!
BS, i have heard sweeter songs and never danced to them.
I’m not sure where you have obtained your ‘Facts’, but they are misleading.
The Capital Investment required is high & the time-frame needed to secure & install the necessary processing equipment & infrastructure will probably take close to two years.
There are Logistical components, sorting Stations, heavy equipment, staffing & training, safety concerns, alternative fuel source (when poor weather disrupts the mining), and several other factors that need to be sorted as well.
This is NOT as easy as we would like to believe, or else it would have been done already.
Also, investors need knowledgable and rational persons that they can work along with in the negotiation process, and not “know-it-all” individuals like Walling Whittaker & Roydell Carter, both of whom have proven their ineptitude at running the facility over the years, hence the existing state of the Dump.
A waste to energy plant on the site of the existing dump – I completely support your view. As those of us who read the documents know, no waste to energy plant was ever going to BT unless our financially strapped government paid for itg – and they won't/can't – so BT was merely going to be more of the same, just in a different location, and not the superb modern waste to energy facility that many on-island seemed to think we were getting.
And there wont be one in GT unless you add diesel fuel to run your generators.
What waste to energy facility? If you are referring to the land in BT, all the documents clearly state it was going to be just another lined dump with the ability to be developed into a waste to energy facility in the distant future, subject of course to funding, which, of course, nobody, especially Dart of the government, were going to pay for.
Rubbish, 16;27
Another ploy to rip the Caymanian people off. Remember the contract agreement Government made with the Canadians to remove old vehicles and metal from the Islands.
Guess what, they realised that it was not feasable to do so, no money in the resale of the amount of our metal.
The same thing is going to happen to our dump, when the company signs on and gets his 100 million dollar contract, he will then say to our government, we made a mistake, not enough methane gas to produce electricity.
Its impractical, the junk in that dump, doesnt have enough organic product to produce enough methane to lite up a stick of ganja.
Should the Government want to set up a proper facility for profits, they have to do it right from the start. Separate the waste, and use it accordinly. vent pipes have to put in place to expell the methane. I would not want to drill down 80 feet into that dump, ant come in contact with all that metal down under…it might create a spark, and some one will be blown to bits. We wouldnt want another deep water horizon explosion experience…. where the metane gas bubble, triggered the explosion.
As a George Towner I say let Bodden Town keep their own garbage then….simple…why should we have to deal with the garbage from your district. they can decide what to do with theirs at least ours will not grow so fast.
Ozzie says it smells better in George Town.
well said ……or charge everybody east of savannah a $100 yearly surcharge for traveling costs…
you real ignorant tho
Why are you going through all of this fuss and bother, folks?
Are we not a British overseas territory? Why don't we simply take a page out of their book as it regards waste management and recycling?
It is a known fact thathe UK, Germany and many other "environmentalist" countries in the region implement a plethora of policies, guidelines, regulations and fees in order to clean up their local environment.
E.g. Every household has at least 3 sorting bins for metals / plastics / paper – all resulting in a smaller final output of "bio" waste.
Thereafter, an assortment of industrial vehicles, machinery etc. is put into action to collect from the households of the respective countries.
Yes, it is indeed a glorious operation – truly something to behold.
However, there is a final step that escapes the eyes and conscious of most Brits and Europeans.
For you see, there are gigantic barges and shipping vessels upon which the majority of this well assorted waste is compiled and loaded … and then finally shipped of to … China!!
It is "illegal" to ship waste products out of the EU to a foreign country, however it is not the case when it comes to materials for "recycling". (Catch the con?)
More often than not, the majority of the EU's (domestically) carefully sorted recycable materials simply gets thrown on a barge, shipped to and burned and buried in the landfills of China, Indonesia and India.
Please read the following links for more information on the above.
Link 1. Link 2.
Clearly, I am not actually suggesting that we follow their model to every last detail, however, it is important to understand that waste management is not as simplistic as many believe.
Yes, there are environmental advantages as well as business opportunities via the industry of waste management. However, the final step almost always tend to be one of smoke and mirrors – even in the countries that 'run their lip' the most on these issues.
Personally, I believe every Cayman household should be sorting their recycable material and limiting "trash" to the biological waste – which, by the way, is a fraction of what we throw out everyday.
However, the question still remains – what then? China as well?
Lastly, in light of the above, please refrain from calling Cayman a third world country on the basis of Mt. Trashmore. Granted, it is an eyesore, however that very well could be a result of us not having the diplomatic advantage and privilege of utilising "third world" countries to do our dirty work for us.
* By the way, as it concerns BT – I too am against the proposal forwarded by Dart. Which, by the way, was nothing more than a few large holes in the ground … NOT a dump / waste management facilitiy / environmental park as many people still wrongly believe.
Signed- the one track ass.
Don't be too hard on yourself.
Clearly the evasion of the regulations was an intended policy outcome of the UK giovernment, who went down this path just so their waste could be shipped off to third world countries under the pretence of being enviromentalist. Not evasion of the regulations by self interested and greedy businessmen.
Everytime Whodatis posts he reminds what an evil empire the UK colonialist government is, and what a bad example they set Caymanians. I cannot recall a single example in which he has had anything positive to say about the mother country. Some say he is a troll, and should not be fed. But no – he is simply opening our eyes to how misplaced our naive faith in "mother" is. So to help out, here's some more appalling things the UK government does that should on no accounts be replicated in Cayman:
* allow EU, Commonwealth or BOT residents in the country the right to vote
* make discrimination against people on the grounds of their sexuality illegal
* provide all foreigners legally resident with the right to education for their children
* have a murder rate lower than the United States
* prevent civil servants from having outside interests and second employment during their period of service
Re: "Clearly the evasion of the regulations was an intended policy outcome of the UK giovernment, who went down this path just so their waste could be shipped off to third world countries under the pretence of being enviromentalist. Not evasion of the regulations by self interested and greedy businessmen."
I refuse to believe that someone with your level of vocabulary is that naive.
(Did you even read the articles? Better yet, did you read the comments to the articles? Very telling stuff. Very much at odds with the usual CNS rhetoric.)
Are you honestly suggesting that the beer-bellied, pint-guzzling, tattoo-sporting, marginally educated, blue collar, white-van-man fraternity managed to outsmart the heavily educated OxBridge caliber of the UK parliament?
My friend – not even you believe that.
Out of sight, out of mind.
E.g. Another fine example was the great old banger (cars) EU clean-up of a few years ago. The respective governments enacted their exchange-or-cash-in policies on the basis of environmentalism. However, at the same time allowed for those very vehicles to be sold and transported to the non-EU European countries … taking their cut of the sale in the process. After all, how else will they offset the high costs of this particular feel-good environmentalist policy??
I only wish more people would wake up to the immorality and trickery of western government and so called democracy.
Wake up.
If nothing else, you cannot say you were never taught otherwise.
I'm done.
(By the way, this post applies to one or two other replies to my post as well.)
The UK does not allow EU residents the right to vote in its national elections.
Our constitution already provides the right to education to all legally resident school age children.
Non-discrimination on the basis of sexuality is completely run amok and is now discriminating against people on the basis of their religious beliefs, like preventing a Christian couple from adopting because they believe a homosexual lifestyle is wrong. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-12598896
So you're right – that should on no account be replicated here.
Yes, and now Englnd is forever known as "a nation of binkeepers", the poor sods, with garbage collection once a fortnight.
A pity you have to spoil an otherwise valid viewpoint with your customary cheap shot at the UK. Boy they really got into your head didn't they? Anyway, there is no "con", since as you state it isn't waste products (e.g food stuffs and similar which biodegrades and produces goodfertiliser amongst other things) that get shipped, it is recyclable products such as paper, metals and glass. And only a proportion gets shipped overseas for processing, otherwise processing is done in the UK and/or some counties use landfills.
But you are right that Cayman should be recycling. In fact it is amazing that it isn't since unlike most counties you cannot just dump the stuff in a landfill, as there are very few (or no) suitable areas in this low-lying land. And, since there is little real capacity here to recycle profitably, I believe you should ship it to where it would be welcome. If you are concerned about the working practices and conditions for the people working on it, then take it somewhere that is fairer – that's your call.
Wow … that is quite a number of "trollers" there.
Why is that I wonder?
I simply opted to bring a bit of much needed context to the discussion folks.
Nevertheless, I am encouraged that many have managed to appreciate that fact.
I look forward to some meaningful counterpoints and not the usual futile personal attacks … on a fellow anonymous blogger, no less!
🙂
The biggest problem the government is dealing with on Mount Trashmore is that they are out of room. They don't have the luxury of time. They have choices and they need to get on the choices they have before them and act quickly and properly.
Mr Dart loves Cayman. Maybe him and miss Jackie could open up part of caymans bay for the overflow. I’d offer my land but I don’t really love cayman all that much.
As is normal here they looked at all the choices and after much time, money, and consulting they choose to do nothing at all. Again. As long as they keep getting those paychecks there is no pressing need to change.
Political suicide early on. Deal with the issue Ozzie. While you are at it, what fines have been levied on the NRA to date for their illegal dumping of derelict vehicles across from PPM headquarters? Shameful.
WELL DONE OZZIE I KNEW I VOTED FOR THE RIGHT MAN!!!!
Him only say its not going to BT – he never said whats gonna be done with it. Lets wait before we start bigging up Mr Ozzie – its easy to say.
How can we expect to keep the dump where it is? has anyone remembered that the tourist district is right there on West Bay Road. Have you ever been anywhere on WB Road at night and got a whiff?I am sure that the area of Bodden Town where the "recycling plant" is expected to be is off the beaten track and tucked well out of the way of residentail areas. We are not moving the dump….we want to provide a new area for proper handling of waste.
Movin it to WB, that's what I would do, dem bayers need to keep the trash in their district….. Just for voting Mac daddy and the other two idiots in. Sorry Tara
We do not have room for trash in West Bay at the moment. We have a lot already. Maybe when some of it gets moved to Northward we will have the space. Check back in later.
Careful, you might get your West Bay passport taken away and given to some fortunate Jamaican. We love you anyway.
Why would anyone thumbs down this point below?
'Dart and mckeeva must be made to understand they do not own this country.'
Down at the bottom, Tue, 06/04/2013 – 19:04, 15 thumbs down, 17 thumbs up.
I say this to remind us all that the Dart PR machine is alive and working feverishly.
Its quite obvious to anyone with much analytical ability to see the similarity in tone and style between most of the posts that are against the dump not being relocated to BT – and similarly the large numbers of connected thumbs down/up.
Or of course it may actually reflect the opinions of people reading the blog?
Remember, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that they are not out to get you!
It would be nice if Camama Bay would close it in, cool it, and install some snow machines so the bored rich would have something to do, like in Dubai. The cooling would probably stop a lot of the smell also.
and put a nice wine bar on the side of it wiv a downhill piste so me an my mates can ski to work
No, the dump shouldn't remain where it is. Can you imagine if we got rid of it and you could see the North Sound from the bypass? That would compensate rather nicely for the loss of the view from West Bay Road don't you think? That area (where the dump is now) is our last major planning/development resource on the west side of the island and could be used to fantastic effect. The possibilities are endless. It could even be the project that brings the hope of rising prosperity back to Cayman. As part of the government review of the dump problem, they ought to be aiming to make that site development-ready and actually commission a study as to the viable uses/businesses for it. That's how you get investment the proper way – tell investors what the opportunities are. It's not hard – most of the region does it.
“Can you imagine if we got rid of it and you could see the back of the new Dart-built homes that have a view of the North Sound from the bypass? That would replicate rather nicely the loss of the view from West Bay Road don’t you think?”
Fixed for you.
Possibilities – reopen the WB ROAD.
The best solution is to allow the Dart group to do whatever it was they were going to do to fix the situation at the current site and give them the property in exchange for three small modern facilities – one in West Bay, to serve West Bay and Seven Mile Beach, one in Bodden Town to serve the area above Prospect, and a smaller facility at a different site in George Town to serve George Town.
This will save a lot of expense in fuel, vehicles maintenance, and manpower because garbage will not have to be trucked from one end of the island to another…
Surely Bodden Town and West Bay must accept that the facilities in their districts are to dispose of their own garbage…
I am a George Town voter who has to smell the dump every day and I must say I agree with Ozzie on this issue. I want it fixed where it is too. If it is 100 million to fix it and 10 years, so what. A country spending 600 million per year can certainly afford 10 per year to cure this problem. At least everyone will not have the problem after 10 years. My children will have full value of my property back in 10 years because a perspective buyer will not have to endure the stench. To move to BT or anywhere else would leave me with the stench forever.
Finally an intellegent and thoughtful comment. Well done. Local land owners should see appreciation of their land as well, rather than devaluing land on any other part ofthe island.
C'mon, they campaigned on that. It was in their manifesto. If they voted for PPM in town, they can't complain about it.
Go Dey Ozzie
They should put the dump smack in the middle of South Sound so the residents there can catch a wiff of that up their high noses.
Cardno ENTRIX, a leading USA-based and global provider of Natural Resource Management and Environmental Consultancy, employing over 8000 people in 290 countries, prepared a very expensive EIA report on the GT dump which CNS has kindly published for free. There is also a link to the EIA on Cardno ENTRIX's own website. I suggest everyone bury their DART hatchet for a moment, open their minds, and read Cardno's independent evaluation of the existing dump, the serious uncontained biohazards, and toxic leachate issues. It is obvious that our new group of policians, whether they have bothered to read the EIA report or not, would prefer to pander to voters, rather than deal with dangerous and carcinogenic health issues that persist. The cost of doing nothing (which is what a broke government is left to do) is not acceptable.
Apparently you're suggesting that the biohazard and toxic leachate and dangerous and carcinogenic health issues are more suited to theBodden Towners?
Moving the dump anywhere is a failed solution; we need a long-term sustainable solution for our trash. Moving the dump only creates two environmentally-damaged areas from one. Mitigate the dump in-situ is the only reasonable course of action.
BT voters can be pleased with Ozzie but, more to the point, ALL GT voters should be ashamed of their GT MLA's who clearly do not care about their constituents. How can such a huge decision be made less than 24 hours after the ministry responsibilities were allocated??? Clearly this was not an informed decision that was discussed in any detail by the newly elected government. It was made because thats what all the PPM candidates in BT promised their constituents to get the PPM sweep that they got. So, GT MLA's, show us the minutes of the meeting where you all represented us and where it was concluded that this was indeed the best decision. I suspect that no meeting ever took place. All 6 of you should be recalled. An absolutely terrible start to your 4 years. Zero representation for us GT constituents. Shame on you all.
Sorry Elio, Mike, Walling, Renard, Rayal and the Piercy guy that you did not win. Now please accept it and do something constructive and non-divisive with your lives. The people of Cayman have voted for the better way forward and it was not with the bunch of you all.
I am not sorry that they didn't win. I am very happy.
He could make that decision based on what he promised the people which we all hope was carried out with a certain degree of research.
In the end the Government will get together and make a final decision on it. The interesting part to this is that the politicians some where will upset the voters. If it goes in BT the voters there will be upset and if it goes in GT they will be upset there.
Now the PPM has been elected with 9 seats. That means a lot of people was in favour of what they were saying. And they have been saying no dump in BT. So if you are upset that the dump gets left in GT you are probably in the minority. At the end of the day I would be much more concerned not in the location but in the process to fix the current dump and then haveing a professionally built and run new dump facility.
Personally, it seems to me that the decision by the UDP to move the dump to BT, just like the decision to take the Cohen deal, the decision to dump GLF from the port negotiations and many other decisions, was not an informed or reasoned decision that was discussed in any detail either in the LAor with the consitituents of any district.
Reverting to a proper process carried out using the correct procedures long before the UDP decided to go off on an illegal tangent all of their own, seems to me to be most sensible. It could also potentially save us from the impact of having to pay yet more substantial damages to Wheelabrator, who are suing us for breaching the agreement reached with them under the correct tendering process long before Mr Bush and Mr Dart made their own cozy little arrangement.
Now if Mr Bush and the UDP's dodgy dealings is what you call representation, then you are more than welcome to it, and you'll get what you deserve – which won't be much.
Please stop the misinformation. Wheelabrator has stated that they are not a party in the case against the CI Govt. It is Peter Campbell vs Govt. That is all the parties involved.
Zero representation for us from all GT UDP candidates. Congradulations to us all.
I live in GT and vote in GT and I don't care where the dump goes. What I do care about is that the current environmental and health disaster that is the current dump gets rectified as a matter of urgency. All the studies have shown that what needs to be done cannot be afforded by our government. The Dart deal was our only option in reality. It's a shame that it became about winning the election rather than about what is best for the country. Something needs to be done, and done now.
it was not your only option. get informed
The problem with Mount Trashmore is not the location. The problem is its existence. Cayman believes itself to be a World Class destination, but cannot even handle its own waste. What does that say about us?
That we're at least 20 years behind the real world? The culture of dumping everything in one big pile and hoping no one noticed should have been killed off in the 1990s but I guess there just hasn't ever been a big enough percentage in it for those who make the decisions.
You speak the truth yet I amhappy you didn't suggest it has to be moved to Bodden Town.
9;33
This proves we have to take these projects from the politicians. Now look at what Ozzie is saying, they dont make sensible decisions… its all about politics.
Caymanians wanted that old dump moved from there 30 years ago, but camnt afford it. Now a rich man offers his help to assist, and they do not want that, because he is associated with the UDP leader.
Join the UK – send it to China
mt trashmore is a monument to the failures and incompetence of caymanian politicians…..aka caymankind……
Since West Bay and George Town are the most heavily populated districts in Cayman we need to have one proper waste management facility in WEST BAY and another onthe outskirts of George Town. If Dart and McKeeve weren't so completely for themselves and couldn't possibly care less how much it is going to cost THE CAYMANIAN PEOPLE to truck 300 tons of garbage to Bodden Town every day for the next hundred years they would most certainly have come up with a better solution a long time ago.
Bodden Town is the fastest growing district, and already has a higher population now than West Bay. If you were to read the EIA prepared by the world-class international consultancy firm Cardno ENTRIX, you might learn why going East is the best option on this small island (total land area is <93 sq miles).
Dart PR machine hard at work. Perhaps you should have closed this deal and not the WB road before your UDP allies were booted out of office.
I bet you guys regret buying Mckeeva Bush Ritz condo before you finalized FCIA deal. LOL
Out loud! You said THAT Out Loud? Oh, now you've done it!
You might wish to try remembering that the EIA was paid for by Dart in his own interests and to have his own way regardless of whatever it will cost the average Caymanian.
And what is your point? does it matter who pays for the EIA? as far as im concerned EIA has never had any adverse effect on any development in this country. And i can see why, its useless and a waste of time.
At least 75% of cayman is swamp land, whenever a development is approved , we have to desturb the natural habitat to be able get our development done.
Now can you tell the country what is the purpose, and the result of an EIA, and how many project's future, were determine by this EIA. Please give names and years that this took place.
Signed, baffled with bullshit.
Try making a grain of sense, would you?
nonsense… only in cayman would you think a 10 mile truck journey is a problem……..
Pure unadulterated ignorance my friend. We're not talking about "a" 10 mile truck journey. You need to multiply that by say 20 journeys per day times 365 times 100 at a cost of say a very minimum of $500.00 per journey and you start to get the picture. That would put a BIG hole even in Mr. Darts pocket.
on the other hand there are close to 10,000 people living in BT, EE and NS and all their garbage is trucked to GT. Using your reasoning BT should also have a landfill for all their garbage instead of leting another destrict deal with it
GT dump was at over capacity in 2002, since then we have also had all the Ivan debris as well as another 11 years, the situation is now critical in GT.
Govnt do not have the money to tackle the GT dump, so now nothing will happen for another 4 years. Meanwhile the dump is going to continue to fester and detract from stay over and cruise tourism.
But hey if it doesn't affect your district, why do you care, you get to truck out your problem. Or are you trying to tell everyone that BT has never produced any garbage?
Typical modern Christian attitude.
Sorry I forgot to mention I don't profess to be a Christian, although I believe mckeeva still does.
A good number in West Bay seem to be happy to use the big dumpster provided at Barkers.
09;14
Let me ask you one thing! how long is this little Island? 24 miles…right!
Bodden Town is half way… almost in the centre of the island. That means we be trucking our waste 12 miles each way, what is wrong with that? The eastern district and north side are about to burst with development and more population. Should we truck their 30 tonns of garbage to GT.
Something as of this importance shouldnt have to get the green light from no politicians. The old garbage dump needs to be re-located to somewhere. property which has lots of surrounding land to expand.
I wonder what Mr Errol Bush and miss Annie Hulda Bodden would think of you people today, when they moved the dump from Smith Road, (where the cricket pitch is at the moment.) These were sensible people, we had back then, they wanted to see our country grow.
This existing dump has nothing in it to gather enough methane to light up a spliff. Mr. Jay Bodden from the 70s weredumping marl in there to keep down the rubbish. that dump has at least 70 % marl and old vehicles under it all. Ask the guys that used to salvage old car parts from there.
The methane that is harvested from other waste facilities, were design for that reason. They never dumped marl, tyres or old vehicles in them. Be careful what you people are asking for, you might get a catastrophe on your hands.
At the moment this land waste is draining toxic waste, bad chimicals and poison into our water lens, which we in turn pump back into our water making facilities. its no wonder we have one of the highest cancer rate in the caribbean, if not the world.
Give it up guys, we have not the money to fix this old drag. Our government cant even borrow enough funds to buy condoms.
Here's the deal smartass. YOU pay the cost of trucking 300 tons of garbage to Bodden Town every day for the next hundred years and you have my permission to put the dump there.
I don't see BT'ers paying to truck their garbage out to GT currently and for the last few decades. So are you saying they should?
Did you read what I DID say?
17;10
Thats not the way its done. We all have to be honest citezens and pay to get our waste trucked to where ever the facility is. it wont cost the country no more, no matter what part of the island you truck it. BT is central of the island…sounds like a better deal to me.
Thats not the way it is done. The truth is George Town and West Bay currently produce 80% of our garbage, and we (dart and mckeeva) are talking about granting us the privelige of paying to have that trucked halfway across the island for the rest of our lives because it suits dart and mckeeva. Are we ever going to wake up Cayman? My suggestion once more is that we build a waste management facility in West Bay to meet their requirements, one on the outskirts of George Town, and eventually if nessary one in the eastern districts. This will vastly reduce our trucking costs forever and it will forever eliminate the chances of us growing another Mt. Thrashmore in any district.
For now, andf for at least the next decade, the centre of population is where the dump is right now – and in any event, the centre of population and garbage generation will always be heavily skewed towards George Town by the 7 mile beach tourist activity, George Town cruise activity, and West Bay peninsula business activity.
Now you understand what i was saying.
9;14 proves exactly that, its because of the association Mac has with Mr. Dart. he is the most hated man on these Islands right now… from cayman brac, little cayman to grand cayman.
If Mr.Slovak Dic from Russia had come and offer this deal, we all would all be taking baskets of casava and yams to welcome him. We would have had that facility anywhere Mr. Slovak wanted it.
Especially if he hadn't robbed us of tens and tens of millions in import duties and room taxes.
17;44
You never had tens and tens of millionsfor Mr. Dart to rob you of, in the first place. This is Dart's money that he is putting on the ground. if i was him, i would tell you all to go fly a kite long time ago.
You want this man to throw down billions of his dollars on the ground in Cayman, and then dictate to him and tell him he is not supposed to make any profit .
He is a business man and this is the best solution he can come up with so at least by the time his grand children matures, they will be able to see a profit from the billions he invested in such a small community. we are so selfish and ungreatful..it scares me sometimes to think that iam a Caymanian.
Go fly a kite, idiot. And while you're at it try learning to be a proud, not a scared to be a Caymanian. Proud Caymanians stand up for their rights. Scared Caymanians kiss ass and bury themselves in their own ignorance every day. It is very easy to betray your own and stand up for someone who has lots of money and can make you believe he loves you and wants to give you some while he's denying you right before your very eyes.
Speaking of no communication with the Dart Group, will Raleigh Quay ever open again? No one can envy the residents or business owners in that area. Talk about having to take the long way home for the residents. And for the businesses, the drop off in patrons has been considerably noticable. Nice "boost" to the "economy". NOT.
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Speak to Mrs. Doak, she seems to be in charge of the roads these days.
As everyday there are lane closures on the ETH extension it is obvious that it was opened before it was finished, and we all know why.
Dart, or whoever is reponsible for these lane closures clearly has no idea how to do it safely. I am a very experienced motorist and have driven in many, many countries and have never seen a lane closed on a fast road without prior warning to approaching motorists that a lane ahead is closed. On ETH I have witnessed several motorists having to brake sharply to avoid driving into a closed lane. Why, on ETH is there no warning given so that motorists have a chance to safely change lanes?
Agreed. Its present location is not sustainable, and its time for the PPM to put on their big boy pants and choose a more remote area for this. Its like having a dump in Central Park in Manhattan.
No way they will have the funding to redevelopment the GT site, and this will simply sit and pile up until the next election.
or like building central park next to a dump, you mean.
We have a new action man.
inaction man
We have a new 'no action' man. What is the betting that in four years time we will be in exactly the same position, except that the dump will have four more years of waste added to it. Progressives – they don't even know the meaning of the word…
Always nice to have people responding me posts, just wish they would reveal themselves so we could have a proper discussion. It's pretty clear to me that they have decided to address the dump, to what degree that remains to be seen. Just give our new govt a chance and stop being so negative.
da wha you think. he too worried about his boat… him, all talk partnah, all talk.
I have an affordable plan to deal with the waste on the island and have been involved in shipping it off island for over 5 years. That said I would use Airburners like Aruba and other islands to deal with Most ofit, perhaps the new Ministers would like to meet to discuss it. I am readily available.
Airburners would only be appropriate for green garden/yard waste, which only comprises about 15-20% of annual garbage haul. Even then, some of Cayman's native green species that might comprise some percentage of that garden/yard waste number, are toxic and carcinogenic when burned, creating serious inhalation dangers.
All of this is rather hysterical. Thousands words were said about it already. Nothing, absolutely nothing had changed. Mother Nature will take care of this DUMP, in a way you least expect. And EVERYONE on this island will be affected, not in a good way. It will be an island of environmental disaster. With financial industry exodus and obliterated tourism. Meantime you keep talking….and generating more and more trash, by always wanting more, bigger and better…calling self-destruction a progress and being the dumbest creature nature ever created…..HOMOSTUPID.
Unless the matter contained in the existing dump can be shipped away or vaporized, it will require more and more space. Assuming that those ideas are not practcal or adequate, then a new concept must be devised and employed, as no amount of protests or political rhetoric will solve the problem. If the present dump has to continue receiving waste from the entire island it will soon become a far greter problem than it is today. It is a matter than cannot be dismissed by ignoring it and letting it continue to grow. Intelligent, unbiawed thought is essential to arrive at a long term solution. It cannot be allowed to grow until it becomes disasterous to the islands industry and commerce. What is the feasibility of each district having its own dump rather that everything being dumped at George Town. . .It Is it unreasonable for each district to find room for its own waste. Ever considered that? An observer.
Get that stinking dump out of Georgetown.
I just don't understand how some people can be so fool!! It needs to be moved out of town! Are they stupid! And how can we have someone from Bodden Town in charge of this, of course they are bias, there needs to be someone who is not from Bodden Town or George Town dealing with this to make sure the best course of action is taken, this is ridiculous. IT CANNOT STAY WHERE IT IS!!!!!
Learn to spell George Town, please.
Ithinkweallunderstoodthepointthatwasbeingmade.
Did you find that in Websters?
Dem farkin boostairds…
I frankly do not care about any dump in Guyana.
Good start Ozzie
how can he rule out bodden town with no justification.?……(because he's from that district????)
its this small town politics that is killing cayman……
Errr….because he was elected on that basis?
And who could BT be chosen, without any kind of study being carried out across the island, to see if there is a more suitable location. BT was just a convenient deal with Dart, with no selection process to determine the safest and most environmental solution.
…Guess you shouldn't have chosen to go and live near a dump!
What the hell are you talking about in relation to people shouldn't have chosen to live by the dump, in case you haven't realised yet, our whole tourism product is based right next to the dump, everyone in town and SMB are affected by the dump, in fact if something is not done NOW, it will affect the whole Island!!
That didn't answer my question so let me make it easier for you:
Which was there first – the dump or the residential properties and tourism products? Anyone who moved there after the dump was in existence has no right to complain about it being there now.
to 11;35
Let me answer your question.
Mr. Dart bought that property knowing that the cayymanian people wanted to relocate their garbage dump long before he arrived here… and hope some day day they could afford to.
This dump has been causing havoc to the tourist community…the same one that fed you all these years, and the western GT area.
You come across like one of these caymanians that is sitting on millions of dollars of property, but dont have the brain to turn it into cash. It sounds like you are jealous of Mr. Dart's ability to take our swamp infested mosquito land and transform it into a beautiful town for our people to enjoy, maybe you should do the same for your people. if you dispies the man , come out and say so,and stop making excuses.
He is not complaining, he is trying to work with a people that strive on the black crab mentality.
10;04
Your time will come when you will want something done for your betterment. I always observe people like you using the word study for an excuse.
This island is flat, made up of marl, limestone, mashy land, swamp, mangroves, 5% arable land . what is there to study? you dig a hole anywhere 5 feet below ground and you hit the water table…except for the eastern district which stands ata higher altitude.
What exactly are you looking for in this study? stop beating behind the bush. The GT ers accepted the old dump where it is now, without a word said. lots fo people lived only 1/4 mile from it. This new facility is 2-1/2 miles away from any residence.
It is so sad to see my people have to suffer because of the lack of knowledge. i'll bet you when it is all up and running…no offence… the jacans and philys will embark on such a lucrative industry and recycle anything they can get their hands on. While the BT sit on their ass and cry for opportunities. I see why our government will not stop the importation of foreigeners..they are more industrious than us natives….and I dont blame them one bit.
A born Caymanian
The PPM has been providing thier detailed rationale for why it should not go in BT for months …. along with a wide array of other groups and individuals from across the island …..
A bad start from the new administation. The wider economic impact of moving the dump to the proposed site is overwhelming. But the new government is probably more interested in establishing a political power base in BT than doing the right thing.
05:45, too right, for the next 4yrs, there will be "staunch" opposition, hopefully without a cow cod, to the relocation of the dump out of GT, and Ozzie will then be deemed a success for BT……..
All the while, the GT landfill will grow further past the point of no return.
For those looking for employment, perhaps you should look into running "guided mountain tours"?
If you were living next to the proposed site, the "right thing" might be something different to you.
Moving the dump to BT in the long run will most certainly cost the country/the people more money in the long run, not only in terms of logistics, but also in terms of the necessary infrastructure to allow the movement of the dump trucks from town to BT and back again, when they load anything recyclable onto cargo ships for export. Only a madman would try justify moving a dump because Mr Dart and some other folk don't like it in their own back yards and want to 'dump' it someone, anyone else.
Finally, after the nightmare of the previous administratons, we have the return of representative government. Now let's see if we can sort out the outrage of the WB road "deal" with this cocky developer and get our road back. Justice be done.
Those living in Bodden Town and the other districts seem to have had no problem sending their garbage to George Town for the past "x" decades, but they have no desire to have any of it in their own back yard. How about each district keep their own trash and deal with it rather than sending it to us? Anyone with with common sense can see that the George Town landfill is full and that it can't continue to accept all the Island's garbage indefinitely. Come on Bodden Towners, it's time for you to take responsibility for your own garbage and stop sending it to us here in George Town. Not in my back yard (anymore)!
As a Bodden Town resident, I would be quite ok with BT's garbage and even that of North Side and East End being handled here. It's all the West Bay and George Town stuff and the resulting truck movements I object to.
8;40
Garbage is garbage no matter where it comes from. it sounds like you have a district problem.
How about if they truck it through a service road where you wont hear the trucks.
Im sure you have seen these garbage trucks on the road for the last 30 years, running from East end, North side and BT, every day..as early as 4:30 am, taking their garbage to GT, so that is ok, i guess….. the noise of the trucks, that is!
Not one bit of this BS makes any sense to me. i would like to run this country for one months…i would put all you blockers, blabber mouths in your all place.
So PPM wants to fix the problem by continuing to dump 350 tons of garbage A DAY at a facility that is already 80 feet high, has no room for expansion, no lining, no leakage treatment, no storm water runoff, no environmental securities of any kind, and is sitting in the middle of our tourism capital. Did I mention nomoney from Dart to fix the dump or build new facilities? Where is PPM going to come up with $100 million dollars to fix the dump AND cut my taxes, build a port, expand the airport, create jobs, keep the bloated civil service and not run us into more debt. Sure Ozzie, this is a great plan, I'm sure you got all this covered in your party's manifesto. Many fairy tail promises but no strategy to actually accomplish it. Spend the country into the poor house but hey, at least PPM will get brownie points in Bodden Town next election.
If you start dumping at another site, those issues, "no lining, no leakage treatment, no storm water runoff, no environmental securities of any kind, and is sitting in the middle of our tourism capital", would still exist wont they?
It was said that the Mt. Thrashmore was to be remediated, so no, it would not still exist.
Also it has been said that 90 percent of the leachate is caused by rain water. Thats why Dart wants to cap Mt. Thrashmore and eliminate the rain percolating through it. Plans were also to install pumps and draw the leachate up to remediate it properly. Also planned was a methane recovery system to power a small generator.
Someone has been dreaming about too much fairy "tail".
Come on, Tinkerbell's hot and you KNOW it. Baby Yeah!
Well done Ozzie and the ppm administration. You did what you promised the Bodden Town people and you delivered what UDP and PNA could not give, an ear to listen to the people and action for the people!
I’m so happy my vote counted this time and it is worth something. No more back door deals with Mr. Dart!
There’s hope Cayman.
Re teh thumbs down, it appears some people like the back door deals that were happening with Dart.
As long as it gets the dump away from their own back doors, yes, that does appear to be the case. Legality, diplomacy and reasonableness is not even a consideration when it comes to these NIMBYs.
9;23
I keep hearing about this back door deal with Mr. Dart. I can remeber when this all came public.You must have had your ears up your a@@. maybe its because you were not part of the round table discussion. and you are just jealous.
You seem to be a tool, pretending to be ignorant.
Whats ignorant about me knowing that this deal was cut between Dart and the Government.
Im just another common man that read the news and is interested in what happens in my country…so i happened to had knowledge of this deal like many thousands citezens. Get your head out the sand and keep up with the times. you just dont like the man.
BRAVO!
In other words, at least 4 more years of Mount Trashmore.
Great! Now the kids at the school and tourists and residents in the densely packed Seven Mile Beach corridor can look forward to years and years of an ever-increasing stench! What a golden decision, choosing by far the most costly option coupled with impacting the most people possible. Mark my words, things will just keep piling up at GT and this will be an issue again the next election.
Moving the dump to BT is undisputably the more costly and most undemocratic and unenvironmental solution to this problem. Rather than believe the UDP hype, try understand basic logistics and environmental concerns, then next time you buy a house, try use your head and don't move near a dump, then complain about the dump and want it moved elsewhere.
10:08;
Here is the problem, DART bought ALL the land surrounding the dump right up to the Hyatt waaayyy back……waaayyy before development started at Camana Bay and everywhere else.
But guess what, he did it because there was a deal in place i.e. contract, that the Goverment would address the issue of the dump i.e. fix the issue, BEFORE IT GOT COMPLETELY OUT OF HAND or put another way, before the brink of no return.
Guess what happended? DART built Camana Bay and continues to but there is a large smelly dump in the middle of the plan now.
A dump, that cannot be treated because they should have done it 15yrs ago. A dump that is destroying the environment on a daily basis. A dump that acts as the very first landmark each and every cruise ship views when they arrive in Cayman. A dump that CANNOT BE FIXED IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
So, it has to go.
And it has to go, becasue the lawsuit from DART for the government breaching terms of a contrat AGAIN would be so big it will ruin the island.
And then when that happens….well perhaps you could tell us what we should all do?
If they do not like the stench they should move the sewerage treatment facility that is next to the dump, and rip out all those smelly mangrove swamps in the area. Didn't think of that, did you?
I guess those giving the thumbs down think their Sh!t don't stink!
Sounds good in a speach. These new guys can certainly talk the talk, now it's time to see if they can walk the walk…
Ozzy i know you got your Cow Cod ready for those Work Permits from the east.Lol…#1 Progressives Campaign Promise
Bodden Town was a bad idea for the dump, but leaving it there is just plain terrible. What a mess; I was hoping for better judgement from our new government. The current location could be prime land, developped into something magnificent, close to town, beach, Camana Bay, etc. What a shame.
There is no excuse for Caymana Bay. The dump was there decades before Caymana Bay came on the scene. Unscrupulos reps tried to pull the woool over our eyes and dump the garbage on BT. Start the remediation ASAP and get us on the right track by utilising the 30 acres if crown land.
13;36
And so was the sandy ground gully in Savannah and the flooding in certain bodden town areas. Now wasnt these problems there before your daddy built his house there? of course they were there. and now you want government to fix it…what hypocrites!
Yayyyyy!
I fully agree with you Ozzie. Should have started long ago instead of making side deals. If there is methane gas, it could open other doors. No Dump in B.T.
so, we poor george towners have to suffer more with this dump
do you know how badly it leaks ????????
no wonder we are all sick with cancer
Oh you poor things you – why did you move there if you are so against the dump being there? Perhaps you should have considered living somewhere else on-island.
Not moving it to BT must have been a Cabinet decision.
Where are the regular release of Cabinet minutes and decisions that was promised during elections??
Go dey Oz. keep da cowcod by your side at all times. Dart and mckeeva must be made to understand they do not own this country. We're doing very well with mckeeva (it wasn me) so far.
The solution under the last PPM adminstration was going to cost $80,000,000 and take 18 years! I am glad he at least realises that he has to find a way to keep it there…..be interesting to see how he does that….I however suggest that if he thinks he will lose too many voters in BT that he considers WB, NS, EE or CB. Leaving that there is a poor legacy to put your name on.
Yes, I remember that Rolston said that he would agree to it going to West Bay if enough land was available. Well, there seems to be some land in Barkers area, why not try there?
Oh, what was that? Barkers is an environmental-sensitive area? Oh, ok. How about east End? There is plenty land opened up on Mark and Ellio's new road.
Or how about North Side? What was that? Dont want to stink out the Rumpoint tourists you say? Oh, ok.
Well, I guess it will stay in George Town for now then.
Dart better get on board with the plan of solving the problem in place if he wants his Camana Bay value to stay up.
So Ozzie will go down as the MInister that did not move that timebomb, the bomb that destroyed the southern part of the North Sound with Leachate, the bomb that may explode one day from the methane inside of it taking out its neighbourhood…some legacy Ozzie.
My suggestion Ozzie is to get all the facts then make an informed decision even if that means going back to your voters and telling them why you changed your mind and why they should as well.
Think of the long term not just to 2017!
He is thinking of the long term. BT is not the solution to the dump problem, it was just a solution to Mr Dart's problem.