Kennett is on murder team

| 18/03/2009

(CNS): UPDATE Friday 7:15am: Questions regarding the absence of Chief Inspector Peter Kennett on the Sabrina Schirn murder case have been answered by Deputy Commissioner Anthony Ennis, who said the experienced murder detective was assigned to the case by him on Monday and he attended the crime scene shortly after the recovery of the body. “However, because DI Kim Evans had been extensively involved in the case from the outset, it was decided that he would remain as the lead SIO,” said Ennis.

He added that Kennett was adding value to the investigative team, including his lead on the forensic gathering and development.  “I have been personally briefed by him on critical forensic findings and I must stress that this is a team effort with diverse skills and expertise drawn from various disciplines of the Service.”

Questions have also been raised about the whereabouts of Acting Police Commissioner James Smith, who is reportedly off island attending another conference.

Ennis was still tight lipped about the investigation so far yesterday and said the police were still trying to piece together Sabrina’s movements and would welcome any reports of her from the public but said none of those reported so far had yet been confirmed.

He also refused to commit to the question of whether he believed Sabrina knew her killer, as is the wide assumption in the community. “It is really too early for us to make any public statements about this. However, we are keeping an open mind and following all leads and information that is coming in. We appreciate the public’s assistance in this regard,” Ennis said.

At a media breifing on Wednesday, 18 March, police offered no new insights into the disappearance last week and subsequent murder of 21-year-old Sabrina Schirn.  Asked whether police were following up on reports that the victim was threatened at work by a man armed with a crowbar, Deputy Police Commissioner Anthony Ennis responded, “I do not know,” adding, “I’ll have to get back to you on that.” While a TV crew said they remained with the family all Tuesday morning as they searched the area for Schirn, there did not appear to be any policeofficers assisting them.

Ennis confirmed that it took 15 minutes for police to reach the crime scene after family members found the body. The Royal Cayman Islands Police Service was following all lines of enquiry, he told the media, but refused to be drawn on any questions as to the nature of those lines of enquiry, whether there were any suspects or if they thought Schirn’s murderer was known to her. However, he hinted that there may have been a different outcome if some facts had come to light earlier in the investigation.

In a release Wednesday afternoon, police said a major incident room has been established at Bodden Town police station, and although no formal identification has yet been made, police are working on the premise that it is that of Schirn.

“No formal identification has taken place and we cannot confirm any cause of death at this time,” said Detective Inspector Kim Evans, who is leading the enquiry. “However, through the evidence we have before us, we are working on the premise that it is that of Sabrina. This is a tragic thing that has happened and our condolences go out to her family and friends. We will do all we can to find out what happened to Sabrina and bring her killer or killers to justice.”

There are 15 CID Detectives working on the case who are supported by numerous officers from departments including Scenes of Crime, Family Support Unit and officers from the Financial Crime Unit who have certain technical expertise.

“We applaud the efforts of the family and the public in this case,” commented Inspector Evans. A number of positive lines of enquiry are being followed at this time, however, detectives continue to appeal for sightings of Sabrina since the time she was reported missing and the Honda Torneo that she was last known to be using.

“Tracing her last movements is crucial to this investigation,” said Inspector Evans. “Where did she go? Who was she with? Where was she last seen alive?”

Anyone who can assist is asked to contact the Major Incident Room at Bodden Town police station on 947-2220 or Crime Stoppers on 800-8477 (TIPS). All persons calling Crime Stoppers remain anonymous, and are eligible for a reward of up to $1000, should their information lead to an arrest or recovery of property/drugs.

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  1. Anonymous says:

    From a concern citizen

    I am just overlooking some of the incidents and as a Caymanian you almost know everybody who have been victims of these fatal crimes and if you dont know them, you know a family member a friend or they were your co-worker at some time. I am wondering why we have not heard anymore updates as to what happend to Sebrina Schirn and what is taking place with the case??? Is it going to be another unsolved murder? There was so much stink over Estella, God Bless her, we know she served the country well but let’s not be bias. I sit here counting how many murders have taken place and how many have been solved….it is very sad!

    All these different police vehicles and still unsolved murders????

    All the different police boats and stilll????

    Why can’t we get a decent forensics lab down here and some really kick butt detectives that will concentrate on the crime first and reputation of these individuals after that will actually solve these murders if it means they have to work day and night non stop. MURDER IS A CRIME NO MATTER WHO THE VICTIM IS!!!!! Does it really matter who the victim is?Tips help sure but come on you cannot depend solely on them. Think about it maybe this person has actually killed before because there are so many unsolved murders that just seem to be pushed aside for other news and minor crimes compared to murder.  And everyone knows once the case starts going quiet that is just the sign that it’s not as important and the cops are slacking off and it goes from there.

    What are they trying to do distract us with political stuff and what not. The Government has some good people yes but let’s face the facts corruption is everywhere.  It would be nice to watch our children grow and watch grand children one day grow and play freely on our beautiful Island beaches, so if you don’t have our Island and our Island people best interest at heart then please step down and stop waistingyours and our time and also robbing our Island smack in our face! Talk about adding insult to injury!

    We have not forgotten about these murders that are not solved and we can’t get any answers on. What if that was your daughter or son murdered?

    No one has the right to pass that judgement on anyone. Only God gives life so only God should have that authority to take life.

    For some of the cases that have been solved there seems to end up being new names to these charges meaning lesser time. Murder, Attempt Murder, Man slaughter and even Rape they mean the same thing to me, try putting yourself in the victims shoes. Do you feel it? The fear and torment that can never be given back! I didn’t think so! Maybe that would help you solve some of these cases. 

    And why does it look as if some of these cases that are dealt with are a slap on the risk to the perpetrator? No wonder they can call themselves "prison proof" come back out and just know how to be smarter at what they do. I mean they learn the police techniques and know they wont solve something a little technical and of course they pick up extra skills doing time so upon their release they are better criminals.

    I am not saying this is the case for all. Nope. This is the case for the repetitive criminals that have rightfully claimed there fame, name and chosen profession.

    The first 3 named crimes above murder, attempt murder, man slaughter and rape all mean that someone has died and as for rape it is the murder of an individuals spirit. That persons life will never be the same again. Maybe if they got life sentences for that crime they will think twice.

    Let’s remain focus here on the seriousness of the things taking place and  what just took with Sabrina. We know that anywhere will never be crime free that is reality but sometimes you do need to fight back and not just say it once as the majority of the Island did in Estella’s case but with everyone who fall victim to these crimes. She for one would of fought for the brutal death of Sabrina!

    All together it’s almost like "What are we going to hear next?"

    Come on Cayman we are not divided we are all one! It’s not all the fault of the police because some of you have choosen to remain hush hush about what you know or see because…????? Only you would know why? It seems the only business some people are ready to talk is when they are ready to bash another one down instead of using that skill to help make our Island safer for our kids comming up. Don’t waite till these crimes happen to your loved one to cry help!

    What a Mess!!

  2. Anonymous says:

    I’m sorry CaymanNewsService but isn’t this now a murder investigation?  Should all of this really be posted on your website?  Does anyone screen this?  You are not helping the police!!!

    CNS: You’ll have to explain what you’re talking about if you want us to answer the question. The article is about a press briefing and follow-up questions with answers supplied by the RCIPS. If the police asked us to remove a particular comment because it interfered with their investigation we would, of course, take it down.

    • Anonymous says:

      Congratulations CNS. You are to be commended for providing a reliable, responsible transparent media function. Your last post appears to be miffed about the publics reactions to public statements by public individuals. The reactions include resonable defence of the RCIPS which show balance. 

      I understand that the poster may sensitive as topublic sentiment. He/she should be comforted by the many who are thankful that the RCIPS got a great wiff of smelling salts and are acting the better for it.

      The alternative where expressions,  within reason, would be denied, is dire.

      CNS and the Compass are print/cyber mediums commanding respect as idicated by the interactive participation.

      Guys (CNS) your function is indispensible. The Hyde Park you allow and enable saves this country much.

  3. Shaun Ebanks says:

    For the last comment at 1825, can I ask you to contact your " RCIPS happy hour friend whom you seek to protect" to send me and others a letter of invitation to re-enlist.

    I would be glad to make this letter public via CNS with an absolute " NO WAY JOSE, IN REPLY" !!!!!!!

    Afterall, why would I want to re-enlist to the RCIPSafter everything has been turned upside down and in absolute disarray ????? How stupid would that be of me, wanting to re-enlist at a time like this !!!!!!

    As far as I know, only individuals from overseas seeking a life from poverty, corruption and rampant crime wants to enlist into the RCIPS these days. No one else does, including aspiring Caymanians whom would want to serve their country, as it was back in the 1980’s when I and many others Caymanians joined.

    Today, local individuals who seek to serve their country are all applying to H.M. Customs, CI Fire Department and CI Immigration, whom have the respect of the public and is under the leadership of person whose character and integrity, has never been into question.  

    In fact, 65-70% of the serving senior officers of the RCIPS are now applying for a senior position at CI Immigration as well as other postions within Government and the private sector. WHY IS THIS, YOU MIGHT ASK ???????  

  4. Anonymous says:

    May we learn to love more.  With all the tributes paid to Sabrina by family, friends and well-wishers – I wonder if Sabrina was here whether she’d be overwhelmed at the amount of people that loved her.  Would she be saying ‘I never knew I was loved so much?’

    Sabrina is now in a better place. 

    Let us learn to love one another and appreciate one another before it is too late.  Expressing your love to someone that has passed on whilst not expressing to them in life is pointless (I’m talking about those that knew her personally – I’m not alluding to the fact that you didn’t – but sometimes we take each other for granted and believe that they will be around forever – I do that too). 

    Those who have been touched by the events and are passing on their condolences, this will be much appreciated by the family and friends of Sabrina.

    In all that’s happened, let us learn to express our love for our family and friends as we’re living in a world when death can come at anytime – to both young and old.

     

    At the end of the day God knows EXACTLY what happened and He will judge accordingly.  We will never know what statements were correct, which ones have been distorted, who is telling a lie, who is telling the truth, why there seemed to be a delay in responding to the news that Sabrina was missing etc only God knows.  We can only sit and ask Why?, What if….

    May God bless you all.

  5. Shaun Ebanks says:

    I am not posting this comment necessarily to defend the RCIPS or the Senior Investigating officer D/ Insp. Kim Evans, in this most recent murder investiagation.

    However, let me just say that I have known Kim Evans for almost (20) twenty years and I supervised him as a Detective Constable and a Detective Sergeant while I was a senior officer in the RCIPS. During this time as his superior, I can honestly say that he was an individual who is extremely dedicated to his job, hard working, disciplined and honest to the bone as you can find.

    I recall reviewing many case files from my subordinates before prosecution. In particular, I always found that Kim’s files were properly documented with facts arisng from the investigations. He is an individual who documents almost everything, with all  I’s dotted and T’s crossed" and has had a relatively high conviction rate in cases that he investigated over the years. Kim was actively involved recently in the Estella Scott- Roberts murder investigation and the Canadian victim whom was murdered in Beach Bay several months back. These two matters are presently before the court with exceptionally good evidence obtained/gathered, to secure convictions in both cases.

    I can understand that the public is angry at the RCIPS and I do believe a number of mistakes did happened early in the investigation.

    However, the police operate and function based on what information is provided and evidence gathered during any investigation. I believe the police perhaps went wrong in this case when they fully relied/trusted information provided by members of the public which they honestly believed was true at the time, about Sabrina’s sightings at various locations. Obviously, this was not true and it is likely that she was murdered shortly after she left her workplace.

    I’m not sure if the police best efforts would have saved her in light of this. As for her being threatened days before, the police should have attended the scene, investigated and arrested the individual for Threatening Violence and Carrying an Offensive Weapon. If this did not happen, then it’s a terrible failure on the Senior Operational Command of the RCIPS who should be removed forthwith, especially if it is revealed that it bears connection to Sabrina’s fate. 

    Do you remember the specualtion bouncing around in the Estella Scott-Roberts murder investigation ???? Very few people in the public wanted to believe that she was the subject of a random target, which resulted in Murder. So therefore, we don’t know for sure if the threats a couple of days before in Sabrina’s case, is connected or not with her Murder. It could very well be, but maybe it isn’t.

    I know that all is not well in the RCIPS, thus the reason I and others left before everything turned upside down. We all saw it starting to unfold and I and other dedicated and well trained police officers decided that we did not want to be part of it or to have the deal with the embarrasement the officers are now encountering. It was one of the hardest decisions I ever had to make in my life to resign but looking back, it was one of the best decisions I ever did for myself and my family. 

    The violent crimes against persons in our Country I blame 100% on the RCIPS change of  Operational Strategy in the last few years. The Goverment provided millions and millons of $$$$$$ to them, something that we were begging for in years past, but it never came to us until an outsider game in. We continue to shoot ourselves in our foot over and over again and try to impress outsiders who make us pay dearly in the end for our friendliness and open arms personality. 

    Well, let’s hope that justice is brought about for Sabrina and her family and not become like the other (14) fourteen unsolved murders, at last count. 

     

    Shaun Ebanks.

    • Anonymous says:

       

      Wish you would try to leave RCIP alone, you did not had the Guts to stay to try and make things better for them, true sign of a weakling.

       

      You Say

      It was one of the hardest decisions I ever had to make in my life to resign but looking back, it was one of the best decisions I ever did for myself and my family. 

      I SAY

      If RCIP was to offer you back a job you would jump in a heartbeat. I say they would be really foolish to take you back with this attitude. RCIP has done without you, and i am sure they can continue without you. About Embarrasmen, did you own RCIP our you were just a worker?  You should have just continue to do your job like the rest, but no.. you were too weak to do that. You would like to see RCIP Fail so that it could help you justify your point on leaving RCIP will not Fail, because people like us in the community will continue to suport them. I am Caymanian to the BONE.

       

  6. Anonymous says:

    All my condoleance to Sabrina family and also to those who are really closed to her.I really didn’t know her, but being a close friend to her relatives, I feel it ok to show them compassion and also let them know that we are all bearing that atrocity !

    May God help you all, May God help Sabrina in her everlasting life near him .

    Bye and please support one another ! Take good care of yourself as family !

  7. Anonymous says:

    My sincere condolences to the Schirn family. 

    Having an intimate knowledge of policing (32 years with 3 years in the RCIP at senior level) I can safely say that clearly there were mistakes made in the handling of this matter which should be reviewed at some point in the near future.

    However, I must say that I am suprised to see how certain senior officers with direct responsibility and control of the investigation of serious crime i.e. Detective Inspector Evans’ bosses have managed to vanish from the headlines.

    Regardless of who made mistakes, the department and branch heads are ultimately responsible for the operation of their respective departments/branches and should step in and take control when situations start to get out of hand. Such action not only reinforces to the public that there are highly trained, competent officers in command but it also provides the rank and file with the reassurance that their senior officers will guide them in times of difficulty and is crucial to the effective management and leadership of the RCIP.

    I trust that this is being done behind the scenes and that a diligent investigation is underway however public reassurance of such action is crucial and the relevant heads of department s/branches including the acting commissioner should have by now stepped up in person to make such reassurances as part of an effective media strategy.

    The Cayman Islands are a safe place to live and while these unfortunate events impact on the community and the victims family, I firmly believe that there are skilled and dedicated officers in the RCIP who are capable of dealing with these types of investigations. 

    In addition to the loss of a young life and the grief that the family is suffering, the country on a whole has been affected by image of an incompetent police service which is compounded by the fact that local officers appear in the lead position in the incompetence. This has now provided the UK with a bolstered argument for the need for skilled overseas officers and will lead to the erosion of confidence in the skilled local officers and a reduction in the moral of the rank and file.

    I emplore the RCIP senior management to publicly step up and reassure the country that the RCIP is handling the investigation in a professional manner and I pray that they make progress in bulding a strong case against the perpetrator/s of this heinous act and bringing them to justice. 

  8. L. A. Gould says:

     http://sabrinaschirn.ning.com/pro…  

    I created this site in memory of my neice Sabrina, you are welcomed to post condolences,  tributes, pictures of sabrina, songs or videos here, please be considerate in your postings, in respect to our family, only positive and uplifting postings will be approved.

    This site will be made public over the weekend,

    Thank you and God bless!!!!

     

  9. Anonymous says:

    My condolences to the family and friends of Sabrina. I did not know her, but a young life wasted is always a tragedy.

    There is an astonishing complacency within the RCIPS, almost a sickness, and this will only be treated and cured when they acquire the right leader and the right calibre of officers. There is an obvious leader on the island, a former RCIPS senior officer who has already demonstrated his courage in the face of Hurricane Ivan, and his commitment to the Cayman Islands population. It will be a crime if he is not appointed as Commissioner. There are also other ex-officers who should be re-instated to set an example to those current officers who have lost their way in trying to provide an efficient police service to protect and defend the people. Only when this happens will the RCIPS become the service that the islands need and deserve.

    As for Inspector Evans – I know him, and he is a good man, but that does not make him a good police officer.

  10. Anonymous says:

    The RCIP need to step up now and let actions speak louder than words. Only results can begin to restore anything like respect for the RCIP.

    They are hopefully up to this task and will succeed in discovering who is responsible for this terrible crime.

    May the community and anyone who has any information that will help the RCIP share that information. Even an anonymous note or letter with information could be the key to solving this crime.

    Don’t help this killer, share the truth.

  11. Anonymous says:

    RCIPS could at best be silent for a while. Little of what they have said so far on this matter has been regarded with respect. 

    It would be better to to give a dignified "Unable to comment at this time until all the facts are reviewed…" than to provide inarticulate responces laced with apparent inaccuracies whch can only inflame, p…off and alienate very good citizins. Some of what has emerged from the news conference and otherwise are truly unrepresentative of the RCIPS. The tone of these utterances did little to calm, sooothe and allay fears.

    They should think…before they talk. Think  through their communiques before they engage the families and the public. Plaitudinal flashes hurt and belittle this audience while disfiguring the service we fund, but cannot direct.

    They have made grave mistakes. Inspite of likely liability isues, finding a path to owning up will goa very long way in healing. We are waiting to see that  happen. People are not fools…they do have emotions…they do have brains. It is very evident that the police are also unable to engage as much of the support they so very much need at this time, on account of bold ignorance, lack of an understanding as to who and how intelligent this audience really is.

    It is a freightful fact. The Police need us now …more than we need them. Some body in charge had better fast track the learning curve.

    The RCIPS while indispensible must do better….must. Command on down. Other wise the entire Cayman may need to be the Police service.

     

  12. Anonymous says:

    Even the video report by the police gave the wrong date!! The officer said Thursday 13th they received a missing persons report!! Thursday was the 12th!! 

    Do they know what’s going on with the case or not… the incompetence!!

    A relative of Sabrina’s from the UK and I’m hurting……

    Rest in peace beautiful!!  Love you.

    • Anonymous says:

      Errmmm, maybe we can just get this back on track and put some constructive comments on here, or some proper information, or pass something useful to the cops. Someone out there knows something, and the perp(s) will just be sitting back and laughing at all this effort being directed the wrong way. Evans will never admit he’s messed up, he’s just not made that way, but he should, and he should pay a price, but in the mean time, can we co-ordinate all this effort in one direction,? – and that is to ‘out’ Sabrina’s killer.

      Spend time supporting the family, and those investigating, or please, be quiet.

  13. Anonymous says:

    Cayman is no more an ally to Satan than anywhere else. Stop spreading the hate!

  14. Ann Young says:

    I did not know Sabrina personally but always saw her in public. I heard her name going around as a missing person but only knew her ‘by face’. I am horrified that the police did not notify the public immediately and then asked family members to stop handing out posters of her picture. It’s by these pictures that I was able to stop and ask my self "where did I see her last?"

    I am heart broken for her family and friends. And feel extreme sorrow that they are the ones who took that search alone on the day she was found. We are a small community and although I did not know her, I ask my self why was I not out there looking. We are all brothers and sisters and it is clear that we have only ourselves as a community to look out for each other.

    We all can see where the RCIP’s have faltered, but I also see where I have done my fellow Caymanian no service by sitting by waiting to hear further news. I hope this never happens again and those responsible meet the justice of the people.

    Her death is a mark for me and should be to any one else living on this island Caymanian or not, saddened and angry by this horrific crime.

    None of us on this island should sleep or rest till a loved one is returned home. It is our responsibility to each other to keep going, keep searching and to keep hope alive, when the people we pay to protect us fail to do their job. 

    God be with Sabrina’s family and friends at this time. 

  15. Anonymous says:

    People please let’s not turn this into yet another nationality/UDP/PPM war.

    I could care less where this ANIMAL is from, or which Government allowed who in to do what to who. He could be my own Caymanian blood, or from as far away as can possibly be, could even be my family, I don’t give a damn! Whomever is responsible for this IS AN ANIMAL! No human being in their right mind could do something so dispicable. Wrong is wrong. It is the same way I feel about the killers of; Estella Scott-Roberts, Brian Rankine, Dion Ebanks, Mark Jefferson, Jamie Woods, Todd Powery, Josh Hooker,  Killah Joe, Chadwick, Mr. Bise (and the list goes on and on), and the many attempted murderers too  — they are animalistic predetorial killers, they are NOT human, and do not deserve to be treated as such. Northward is too damn good for dem! Bring back the hangman! PEOPLE MUST FEAR THE LAW, if we want them to adhere to it. There are killers in EVERY nationality, Caymanians, Jamaicans, Americans, British, it happens EVERYWHERE in the world! So to point fingers back and forth between countries is foolish — that’s what the devil wants! More seperation and segregation between races, nationalities etc etc etc.

    Also let’s stop playing the nationality/PPM/ UDP blame game, and let’s try and help solve this case! It is too late now to change anything that has already come to pass, we have to work towards a better future as a community. We cannot let these terrible deeds go unpunished. This has to stop, and NOW.

    RCIP – you are wrong, just accept it and move on. This is why the family and community is angry. We all know you are wrong, just accept it, apologize and move on. Wanna earn our trust again? SOLVE THE CASE!!!!!

    Lastly, to the hopeful election candidates, please stop using this situation to try and win votes, it is still very fresh in all of our minds, and it doesn’t make you look too pretty.

    My thoughts & prayers are with Sabrina’s family and friends.

    May God Almighty have mercy on us all.

  16. Anonymous says:

    If the police had responded to and sought out the man that threatened her days earlier at her workplace, her life would have probably been spared, because they could have arrested him and charged him and the judge could have kept him locked up with no bail due to the seriousness of the situation.

    Shame on you RCIP, a precious life of a young woman lost because of your INSANE MENTAL DISCRETION/JUDGMENT/DISCERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  We need people on our Police Force that have way far much better judgment/discretion/discernment!!!!!!!!!!!!  I hope Sabrina’s family SUES THE RCIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      Why in the Lord Gods name is Evans still even involved in this investigation??. The fat man is an idiot, and unless the RCIPS are searching for fried chicken, he shouldn’t be a part of it. It is pathetic to see that man still involved in this and it will have a grossly bad affect on Sabrina family. Ennis! Stand up and stop being Jamaican, stop covering for Evans and remove Evans and let Kennett, one of Gods good men, do a proper job and catch the killer or killers.

      Evans is an idiot and should be facing charges himself, not sitting there hiding behind religion. KICK HIM OUT!!!!

       

      • The War Lord says:

        NOW NOW , stop with the name calling, if the man EVANS messed up give him a chance to admit is screw up. Although; I did like the part about the chicken(LOL). But on a serious tip, PK aka (Peter Kenneth), PLEASE!!!&; are you out of your freaking MIND???, He can find the hole is his tightie whities. Evans maybe bad but,PK ? Don’t be and idiot..

        I would ask Gillard to come back to the force first, and thats going way out in the left field …….

        Now on to the Jamaican comment, Ennis is a Jamaican and so are a lot of people living on this Island , Maybe even your helper , you know the person you trust to take care of your children; yeah that Jamaican… That Jamaican that you pay like crap.The men is being diplomatic and not name blaming. unlike the TOP THREE, or sorry former TOP THREE…

        PK is this big murder investigator from the mother land, but has he solved any of the murders that he has been involved in here or abroad? may be we should be utilizing some of those very skilled JAMAICAN officers the RCIPS has to help solve this heinous crime.

         

        *****By the way I am NOT Jamaican**** I am The "WAR LORD" ****

        • Anonymous says:

          IGNORANCE.

          His name is Peter KENNETT.

          And Ithink you’ll find that YES HE HAS solved almost every murder case he has been involved with in the 40 years he has been in the police.  WHO DO YOU THINK WAS IN CHARGE OF THE ESTELLA CASE you stupid, opinionated, ignorant pr*ck.

    • Anonymous says:

      My sentiments exactly.

      My sincere condolences to the Shirn family. You are in my nightly prayers along with Estell’as friends and family.

      Once again teh RCIP has dropped the ball and FAILED to do their duty to PROTECT and SERVE rather than belittle and evade.

       

      What it my island coming to?? Who can we turn to to keep us safe, to ensure justice. As much as I hate to say it… bring in the UK Police so at least we will have trained professionals rather than this circus we call the RCIP.

  17. Leonard Williams says:
    I, cousin to Sabrina, in London, have been listening, reading news updates and comments and am grateful for all the support given to the family.  To support the family and the community at large be even more bold and put a name to your comments for
     
    These are my thoughts:
     
    Caymanian, residents and tourists better go a bed before sunset and lock themselves in for they are under Satan’s control.  Hell on earth!!  You speak about Jamaica, well Jamaica will look like paradise if you do not speak up and live like a community!  Cayman has allied itself with Satan and will know no peace until people live by the boldness of the Spirit of God to release itself from the grip of Satan’s power.  Be very afraid and let that be afraid of the Lord for He reigns forever!!  Who else can save you? but Jesus.  He is our protector and he works in mysterious ways.  This is the opportunity that the Lord provides that your faith may be strengthen.
     
    May the Lord have mercy on Cayman and grace abound!!
     
    Police, know your limitations and seek assistance from UK
     
    Leonard (London, UK)
    • Anonymous says:

      Wow Leonard, this is by far the best post on here! I pray that they will seek God’s face because he said if they seek him and turn from their wicked ways, he will heal that land!

      May the Lord bless you richly!

  18. Anonymous says:

    Unfortunetly the police in Cayman do not take domestic incidents seriously.  I lived in Cayman and went thru domestic issues with my ex and the police did nothing.  I had a restraining order and the police did nothing.  When I would call them for help the officers would take there time and then take him aside and give him a little talk only for me to have to call them a few days later.  One officer even told me to calm down and that my ex is only trying to scare me. I could go on and on with what I had to go thru with the "system" in Cayman but I would be writing a book. The bottom line is they don’t take it seriously and it takes someone getting hurt before they get up off their butts.  That is why I left, I couldn’t take the chance of something happening to me.

    I pray that things change in Cayman when it comes to these issues.  People are given the message that it’s ok for domestic abuse to go on in our everyday lives.  Men know they will get away with it. Our poor children who are witness to this as well.  Not sure what else has to take place in order for the police to take care of business.

    My thoughts and prayers are with Sabrina’s family.

     

  19. Anonymous says:

    Yes thats true,It seems the Police are more active and show more interest in smaller issue, for instnce last year My wife was pulled over for speeding which she admitted t o no problem to the police but her name was not on the car documents, which the Police werent happy with, so to verify that I gave her permission to drive the vehicle there was a Police "Escort of 3 cars" lights flashing and all to verify this to my home.

    What a wast of time a resources that was,There are far bigger issues to deal with than that

  20. Anonymous says:

     

    A response to this:
     
    Police can’t prevent a premeditated crime, no matter presence or skill – sounds like this one may fall into this category
    1. We are not asking police to PREVENT premeditated crimes were ARE asking them to change the way reported events are handled! 
    • people scared to call police because island too small and everyone knows everyone – yet still scream about only hiring Caymanians on force
    2. What does this have to do with the case? Did Ms. McTaggert not call police not once but twice and both calls were dismissed? 
    • people damning police for not stopping cars and checking them out on side roads, damn them if they do calling it harassment
    3. What stops were being made the day after the car was found in East End? The only stops that were being made were the normal traffic stops by the TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT.
    • People damning police for not finding body first, and demanding more with less. 350 officers to cover whole island, and sea, 24/7 – do the math
    4. Your right to say the whole police force should not have been out there but you mean to tell me the RCIP could not spare just one police officer every 12 hours hell we would have settled for a retired police officer. You know someone that knows how to handle a crime scene knows how NOT to contaminate it knows procedure!!
    • Agreed – there are some real lazy cops out there, but can’t really be accused of collecting big ‘fat’ pay cheques – they are paid poorly and the reason we have a lower tiered force is because they are paid so poorly. talented people will gravitate to where they can earn more generally speaking
    5. So by this statement you are saying that the officers on the lower tier are not talented people and are not good at what they do. So it’s only expected for them not to care about their jobs or not to do their jobs to the best of their ability?
    • Having said this – there are some extrememely dedicated officers hitting our streets every day. We should all be thankful to those people and not paint them all with the same brush.
     6. We are not disputing that fact what we are saying the officers that handled this case handled it in a way for lack of better words it is a lack of respect to the Caymanian people.
    • For those that have the ability to understand these realities – thank the next officer you see and tell him/herto keep their chin up and be proud. Believe me, the officers you see on the street need a pat on the back now more than ever.
    7. I am sorry we didn’t realize that officers need a pat on the back to do what their suppose to do and this is if you don’t know is to "protect and to serve" you know the motto that is on all of your lovely new cars, and if your further confused you are to PROTECT and to SERVE us the civilians who pay your salary. Never realized that officers only took the job to get pats on the back never realized that their egos needed that. By the way if you didn’t realize it the above statement is so grossly ignorant. 
    • For those that feel the RCIP is so bad – do the other 50% of the population a favour – don’t call 911 next time you have an emergency, handle it yourself, and relax in knowing the cops won’t be able to solve who just killed the burglar that was attempting to crawl in your window. it will free up police time and reduce # of crimes all at once 
    8. When the population starts handing out vigilante justice I want to see what the RCIP is going to do then. Honestly it is only a matter of time before RCIPS grossly incompetent staff has to deal with for lack of a better word "street justice". Most people would be better off not dealing with the RCIP because they act as if you are the guilty party this whole guilty until proven innocent mentality that they have needs to stop.
     
    In closing all I am saying is that it is so blatantly obvious that that the RCIP messed up as you can see so why continue to dig a hole for yourself instead of manning up and apologize for your mistakes you’re going to continue to act very stubbornly.

     

    • Anonymous says:

      You are speaking as if you know how much the police are being paid….For your info…….They are well paid and I know for a fact that they are doing their jobs! You are acting out as if, you know how to solve a case….you think it is a bed of roses solving a case without information?

      Stop pulling down the police and stick your nose where it belongs…say a prayer for our nation!!!!

  21. Anonymous says:

    To the Poster "1.  The Police should have immediately gone after…" — I’d have to say I agree with your comments the most as they are honest and realistic.

    I have had a horrible experience in the past with the RCIPS — an ex-boyfriend of mine (whom I was separated from over *7 years* ago at the time), came to my house in a drunken jealous rage and literally destroyed my home, my fiancee’s car, threatened our lives and traumatized his own child – all because he found out I had gotten engaged! I called 911, and reported the incident WHILE IT WAS STILL OCCURRING, only to have the RCIP show up **45mins** later. They were coming from Bodden Town, to Savannah!!! What on earth took so long!?!?!?! Their relaxed attitudes when they arrived INFURIATED ME. It was as though they were coming to help me find a lost kitten, i/o saving our lives! If this man owned a gun, they would have been investigating the murders of 6 adults and 2 children. Thankfully my family and I fended him off, until he gave up and left, otherwise we’d all be DEAD!!!! We reported this to higher officers, Central Police Station, and the Complaints Commissioner’s Office, only to have it brushed under the rug as usual.

    SO, I say all of that to say this — I can defintely understand why Sabrina’s family is so enraged! If it were me and my family we would be beyond furious too. I cannot imagine the pain, greif, trauma and frustration they have felt in the past week and days, and wish to again offer my deepest condolences to them at this most difficult time. The only thing I can say is, at the end of the day the RCIP are who we have to rely on to "solve" this case, so sadly we’ll have to let them do their jobs, and hope that they can have a bout of luck and solve this for your sake, as well as the rest of the community’s sake. You have spoken your mind, and we all feel your pain, now let’s give them some breathing room and let them TRY to solve the case.

    To the ANIMAL(s) that did this – God doesn’t miss a thing, so while you think that you have eluded your punishment now, I hope you know you can’t elude Him. When you are sent down below to the depths of hell, and are begging for mercy, I hope you remember what you did, and don’t complain – for what you did is nothing short of a slaughter. You will pay for your actions (now or in the after-life), trust me on dat!!!

    God Bless you all, and may He give Sabrina’s family and friends the strength they need to get through this.

  22. Anonymous says:

    To the Poster "1.  The Police should have immediately gone after…" — I’d have to say I agree with your comments the most as they are honest and realistic.

    I have had a horrible experience in the past with the RCIPS — an ex-boyfriend of mine (whom I was separated from over *7 years* ago at the time), came to my house in a drunken jealous rage and literally destroyed my home, my fiancee’s car, threatened our lives and traumatized his own child – all because he found out I had gotten engaged! I called 911, and reported the incident WHILE IT WAS STILL OCCURRING, only to have the RCIP show up **45mins** later. They were coming from Bodden Town, to Savannah!!! What on earth took so long!?!?!?! Their relaxed attitudes when they arrived INFURIATED ME. It was as though they were coming to help me find a lost kitten, i/o saving our lives! If this man owned a gun, they would have been investigating the murders of 6 adults and 2 children. Thankfully my family and I fended him off, until he gave up and left, otherwise we’d all be DEAD!!!! We reported this to higher officers, Central Police Station, and the Complaints Commissioner’s Office, only to have it brushed under the rug as usual.

    SO, I say all of that to say this — I can defintely understand why Sabrina’s family is so enraged! If it were me and my family we would be beyond furious too. I cannot imagine the pain, greif, trauma and frustration they have felt in the past week and days, and wish to again offer my deepest condolences to them at this most difficult time. The only thing I can say is, at the end of the day the RCIP are who we have to rely on to "solve" this case, so sadly we’ll have to let them do their jobs, and hope that they can have a bout of luck and solve this for your sake, as well as the rest of the community’s sake. You have spoken your mind, and we all feel your pain, now let’s give them some breathing room and let them TRY to solve the case.

    To the ANIMAL(s) that did this – God doesn’t miss a thing, so while you think that you have eluded your punishment now, I hope you know you can’t elude Him. When you are sent down below to the depths of hell, and are begging for mercy, I hope you remember what you did, and don’t complain – for what you did is nothing short of a slaughter. You will pay for your actions (now or in the after-life), trust me on dat!!!

    God Bless you all, and may He give Sabrina’s family and friends the strength they need to get through this.

  23. Debbie Cameron says:

    Reading all the different news articles in relation to Sabrina being threatened, having her tyres slashed, going missing then finally her death. I can’t understand why no one has been charged with her murder yet. It’s obvious that someone ‘intended harm’ on her, as this person boldly walks into her place of work and threatens her, he had at the time a crowbar behind his back. Does the store have CCTV, if so has it been checked yet? Even if the store does not, other staff members saw this man and should be able to give a description of him. Have any enquiries been made in the connection of her tyres being slashed (I believe these were slashed by the man that was threatening her) Someone may have seen him slashing them. And then naturally if someone witnesses someobody being threatened or intimidated they are going to question the victim. Sabrina must have told her colleagues something, anything, no matter how little she said, have the police been told?

    Her phone was last used around 10.30am on the day she first went missing. I am assuming that this telephone number has been checked out, but what about other calls made earlier on that day, or even the week preceding her disappearance have these been checked? I believe she spoke with her killer(s) on that day. And quite possibly arranged to meet him/them.

    If I was to ask someone to swap cars for a while, I would explain why I wanted to. I know for certain if someone asked me for my car when they already have their own, I would want to know why . Did she need to go to that side of the Island, but was to scared to do it in her car, in case she was spotted by her killer(s), or perhaps she was told not to come in her car, if this is the case maye the killer(s) were in the co-workers car with her. Their DNA could be all over that car.

    The co-worker whose car Sabrina borrowed, her father received a call from someone claiming to be Sabrina on Sat 14th March, he called her back and was told Sabrina’s not there. Has this number been checked out by the police yet? At the end of the day somehow someone managed to call him claiming to be Sabrina, where did they get his number from? Did they already know it?

    The sightings that were given to the police, obviously false, I would assume that the police have a name and contact number for those peron(s) calling in with info, for all we know this could be the killer(s) or someone protecting the killer(s) to stall the search for her.

    In my opionion the perpetrators have left themselves wide open and if these events had occured in my country like this, arrests would have been made withing 24 hours of discovering Sabrina. Why is it more than 60 hours later no arrests have been made?

    I am sitting here in London, UK extremely upset by the ‘laid back’ attitude of the police. At the end of the day police work is police work no matter what country you are in. One of the officers leading this enquiry is English, I can’t help wandering if she is on vacation in the Cayman, as I feel she is not doing enough, perhaps her relaxtion time is being interrupted.  If the police were doing police work, they would have been the ones to discover Sabrina’s body, but instead her poor brother was the one to find her.  I cannt begin to imagine what he is going through now, that would be someone’s worst nightmare to discover a loved one in such circumstances.  But the family never gave up hope, they searched and continued searching, and sadly they found her.  Unfortunately the police did not take her disapperance seriously, and because of this attitude they did not do their job properly, they didn’t bother to search.  This is disgraceful, they should have been there in the first instance at first light, after all this is what they stated were there intentions.  But no,  they couldn’t be bothered,  then to make matters worse when her brother called them to say he had found her it took them 15-20 minutes to arrive at the scene.  This was un-acceptable.

    I hope and pray to God that Sabrina fought them, then she will have their DNA on her hands and under her nails. But one thing that does worry me, with all these so called sightings was this to buy them time to get of the Island?

    I was the one that received the phone call in my household about Sabrina’s passing, and I had to tell my husband George, Sabrina’s cousin. That was so hard for me, to see him in so much pain and heartache was heartbreaking to see. Lord only knows what pain and heartache her Mum, siblings and the rest of the family are going through.

    My heart bleeds for the family, and for the life taken away from a beautiful young girl. My condolences go out to Hope and family. R.I.P Sabrina  

  24. Anonymous says:

     

    This is what happens when society and population grows out of control thanks UDP & PPM.

    1.         We have heard of reports of all sort of corruption in various departments and all level of government in and out of the service and nothing is done our no one held accountable. It is long over due to have a change in the head of the civil service especially the person in charge of the police (internal and external affairs) the country will be further ahead without him.

    2.         Bring in the technology and have all expats finger printed (including me) and all those that commit crimes. Who has the political will to do it or is everyone afraid of the powerful (Chamberof Commerce) whom would fit such a proposal.

    3.         Police cannot be everywhere, therefore put camera on every major road.

    4.         We must all speak up about the criminals we have amongst us whether we are from Cayman, Jamaica, Philippines, USA or Canada. We same to have a code of silence among us when we know that they are criminals from our home country living in Cayman…it is not just the RCIP that has a code of silence.

    5.         Stop letting in so much persona non grate in your once beautiful country, put laws in place to export expatriates back to they original country if they violate your laws.

    The Bible says to come out from among them; stop adding them to your society with status giveaways and permanent residency grant and putting pressure on your society. God help us good expats and locals alike, time will tell what you have done with all these influx of people that was suddenly added to your society.

    Thanks again UDP and PPM.

    I pray for the family of this precious girl and they have my deepest condolences. The entire Police Department has my prayers also.

  25. Jim Gomersall says:

    I happen to know that there are some highly trained members of our police force. They are expert with weapons and have been trained to extreme levels by the US DTF (Drugs Task Force). I invite the Governor and MLAs to contradict my last statement. No, thought not. Ok moving on. Unfortunately, these highly trained police will only act on the orders of a higher authority, and I don’t mean God.

    These highly trained forces were not invoked in this case and the reason is that it was not deemed necessary. Who cares about some volatile young girl? Not the police, that’s for sure.

    These police have been trained to invoke, enforce and uphold martial law. However, there is a microcosm of society that is aware of this agenda and they have already armed themselves. These people are known as Patriots and will resist to the utmost level.

    The Governor has been sent here by the UK to instigate confusion in our society and he has been very successful.

    I call upon the true Caymanians to get rid of idiot expats who think they can come here and impose their bullshit values on the people and if that means independence, then so be it. (Barlow et al.)

    The lines have been drawn and each one of us is deciding on which side we stand. Stand with us and resist the evil of Europe. 

    One for all and all for one!

    • Anonymous says:

      You posted like a true racial dunce of a Caymanian….What does expats have to do with this?? Had it not been for the expats, our little Island would have been worst. I am Caymanian to the bones and I hate when you all pull down expats like that. STOP IT!! What we need is love more than ever. Had it not been for the expats, we would all face our own troubeles because our own locals are not interested in joining the police services, they rather sit their lazy butts and smoke at every corner and create trouble.

      Post like you have sense, if you want to say something about the force then go right ahead but what expats have to do with this??

  26. Anonymous says:

     First of I would like to offer my deepest condolences to Sabrina’s family, for their lost.  To those who say we shouldn’t blame the police for what happen, first understand why people are so angry at the RCIP.  We are angry, no furious, because of the relaxed attitude the police had in handling such a serious situation.  Yes, they did have a relaxed attitude this is evident just by looking at the time frame of events, posted in the paper.  They did not even make the public aware that this was a missing person case until Friday evening.  Along with this all other events reported to them was treated as nothing more than a boyfriend girlfriend argument. My question to them is this “Why was there not a search right away as was the case with Estella?” Could it be because the RCIP viewed Sabrina as they view every other young Caymanian as being up to no good and being young and foolish? This factor alone displays what seems to be an ongoing severe problem in today’s RCIP. Despite the fact that WE the civilians are responsible for paying their salaries. We are to respect them but they never respect us. Remember RCIP you are people just as we are. Another problem in the handling of the case which is extremely serious was the procedure of the “search”. Please anyone who can tell me when and where has there ever been a search carried out without police supervision within the civilian search parties. It wouldn’t be so bad if you had retired police officers assisting with the search. God forbid the murder was among the civilians in the search party going back to the scene of the crime to make sure all evidence that could convict them is disposed of or even worse. The family discovering the murder still there and taking matters into their own hands how would the RCIP handle that? These are all factors that have seemed to elude our wonderful police force. I would like to ask RCIP a question about their search party “Why have there been comments stated that they were out there searching with the family when all of the media and the family contradict any and all reports that you were out there?” Could it be that once again the RCIP was making a last ditch attempt to save their reputation and also to bolster their ever expanding egos?  I implore all Caymanians to please stand up and let our leaders know such reckless endangerment should not and will not be allowed to continue.   

  27. bungalow says:
    • police cant prevent a premeditated crime, no matter presence or skill – sounds like this one may fall into this category
    • people scared to call police because island too small and everyone knows everyone – yet still scream about only hiring caymanians on force
    • people damning police for not stopping cars and checking them out on side roads, damn them if they do calling it harassment
    • people damning police for not finding body first, and demanding more with less. 350 officers to cover whole island, and sea, 24/7 – do the math
    • agreed – there are some real lazy cops out there, but cant really be accused of collecting big ‘fat’ pay cheques – they are paidpoorly and the reason we have a lower tiered force is because they are paid so poorly. talented people will gravitate to where they can earn more generally speaking
    • having said this – there are some extrememely dedicated officers hitting our streets every day. we should all be thankfull to those people and not paint them all with the same brush.

     

    • for those that have the ability to understand these realities – thank the next officer you see and tell him/her to keep their chin up and be proud. beleive me, the officers you see on the street need a pat on the back now more than ever.
    • for those that feel the RCIP is so bad – do the other 50% of the population a favour – dont call 911 next time you have an emergency, handle it yourself, and relax in knowing the cops wont be able to solve who just killed the burgler that was attempting to crawl in your window. it will free up police time and reduce # of crimes all at once 
    • Anonymous says:
      • You say :police cant prevent a premeditated crime,(text book true)  no matter presence or skill – sounds like this one may fall into this category (b…s…) u looking to get off the hook.
      • I say :Police canapply common sence and respect for their clients by acting wisely on information (in this case) colliding with them…provided on a silver platter. This was actionable intell. Even Bin Laden would have been caught with the quality of information provided up front in this case. 
      •  

      • You say: people scared to call police because island too small and everyone knows everyone – yet still scream about only hiring caymanians on force (there we go again with the vailed bigotry)
      • I say: some Police have had a reputation of selective leaking…some of those leaks have come from overseas officers. The argument that Caymanians do not make good officers is as facitious and innane, as the suggestions that all officers from the UK are bigoted and drunks.
      •  
      • You say: people damning police for not stopping cars and checking them out on side roads, damn them if they do calling it harassment
      • I say: There are foolish/rude and stupid clients who will complain regardless. There are officers who I would take a bullet for, go beyond to assist. There are others who belong in a place other than dealing with people of decency.  The quality of processing (at times) by a minority of officers leaves much to be desired. Decent, law abiders are left to feel sullied by poor service.  
      •  
      • You say:people damning police for not finding body first, and demanding more with less. 350 officers to cover whole island, and sea, 24/7 – do the math. The math…Mr. Myiopia, includes the fact that we have the largest police presence percapita in the world. Can you process that?
      • I say: This case joins a list that screamed for priority over some other matters. If Caymanian officers were treated with respect you would have a fully staffed marine division with little burden to the service at large. Imagine world class mariners of distinction unable to man their own police marine section, but can captain the largest oil tankers in the world, serve in merchant marine with distintion.
      •  
      • You say:agreed – there are some real lazy cops out there, but cant really be accused of collecting big ‘fat’ pay cheques – they are paid poorly and the reason we have a lower tiered force is because they are paid so poorly. talented people will gravitate to where they can earn more generally speaking
      • I say: Truth in some of that but only a half is said. e.g. Before the movement up of the CDN, it was sweet to collect pay unpenalised by tax. Some poorly equipped, sunseekers got employment with us and truly continued their non performing ways thus the current results.  
      •  
      • You say: having said this – there are some extrememely dedicated officers hitting our streets every day. we should all be thankfull to those people and not paint them all with the same brush.
      • I say: indisputable…very true…well said. The truest said so far. Caymanians as well…ok. Some people seem to forget.
      •  
      • You say: for those that have the ability to understand these realities – thank the next officer you see and tell him/her to keep their chin up and be proud. beleive me, the officers you see on the street need a pat on the back now more than ever.
      • I say: There are those of us who do just that. Thank officers even on the receiving end of a ticket. Thank them for their respect…for their courage. Comisserate with them for the uneven treatment meted out by unfair investigations, for bigotry they are subjected to, for the idiotic action of sending officers into harms way without weapons.Yes they need more than a pat. They need to regaled for still doing duty.  
      • You say: for those that feel the RCIP is so bad – do the other 50% of the population a favour – dont call 911 next time you have an emergency, handle it yourself, and relax in knowing the cops wont be able to solve who just killed the burgler that was attempting to crawl in your window. it will free up police time and reduce # of crimes all at once 
      • I say: News flash….that is already happening bungalow. The crime stats are already skewed-defective as some are not being reported precisely because there is the unfortunate conclusion that it matters nought. At least they may not feel sullied for having reported. The RCIPS is not bad. It has bad policy on some matters, guided by some very defective people, investigated by some defective people with defective motives. The RCIPS now looks like the Met. in some ways?

      • Anonymous says:

        Firstly my condolonces to the family and friends of Sabrina. May God give you the

        strength to get through this.

        Someone has to know something about this crime.  Enough with the ‘code of silence’

        on this island..!! Persons that have knowledge, whether it be about friends or

        relatives should come forward.  Because if they do not they are no better than the

        one who committed the crime.!!  There is  NO EXCUSE   like ”this island istoo small,

        everyone knowseveryone”  The tips line mentioned at the end of every news

        report  is totally anonymous…..So if  ”you” are reading this please to the right thing.

        • Vera says:
          I Completely agree with the previous posters that anyone who may
          know something about this to please come forward with anything
          no matter how small or insignificant it may seem to you..
          
          The police will have information that they are not sharing at this point
          and any help at all could make a large difference in the solving of this
          horrific crime.
          
          Cayman Crime Stoppers has been in effect since 1993.
          Calls are free
          Calls are taken by a call centre in Miami, not by anyone in Cayman
          You will not be asked for your identity or any information about yourself
          Your calls are not traced.  If you feel uncomfortable go to a public phone.
          The number is 800 tips  (800 8477) Do not put a 1 before the 800
          
          
          My prayers are with the family and friends of Sabrina
          
          

           

  28. Bob Daigle says:

    I would like to give my condolences to Sabrina’s family. I precious life cut to short.

    Where is this guy from Blockbusters? Has the records been looked at who rented or returned a video that night? Are there surveillance cameras? were the employees asked to give a description , so a composite drawing could of been done.? Find this guy!!!

  29. Debbie Cameron says:

    Reading all the different news articles in relation to Sabrina , firstly being threatened, having her tyres slashed, going missing then finally her death. I can’t understand why no one has been charged with her murder yet. It’s obvious that someone ‘intended harm’ on her, as this person boldly walks into her place of work and threatens her, he had at the time a crowbar behind his back. Does the store have CCTV, if so has it been checked yet? Even if the store does not, other staff members saw this man and should be able to give a description of him. Have any enquiries been made in the connection of her tyres being slashed (I believe these were slashed by the man that was threatening her) Someone may have seen him slashing them. And then naturally if someone witnesses someobody being threatened or intimidated they are going to question the victim. Sabrina must have told her colleagues something, anything no matter how little she said, have the police been told? Her phone was last used around 10.30am on the day she first went missing. I am assuming that this telephone number has been checked out, but what about other calls made earlier on that day, or even the week preceding her disappearance have these been checked? I believe she spoke with her killer(s) on that day. And quite possibly arranged to meet him/them. If I was to ask someone to swap cars for a while, I would explain why I wanted to. I know for certain if someone asked me for my car when they already have their own, I would want to know why . Did she need to go to that side of the Island, but was to scared to do it in her car, in case she was spotted by her killer(s), or perhaps she was told not to come in her car, if this is the case maybe the killer(s) were in the co-workerscar with her. Their DNA could be all over that car. The co-worker whose car Sabrina borrowed, her father received a call from someone claiming to be Sabrina on Sat 14th March, he called her back and was told Sabrina’s not there. Has this number been checked out by the police yet? At the end of the day somehow someone managed to call him claiming to be Sabrina, where did they get his number from? Did they already know it? The sightings that were given to the police, obviously false, I would assume that the police have a name and contact number for those peron(s) calling in with info, for all we know this could be the killer(s) or someone protecting the killer(s) to stall the search for her. In my opionion the perpetrators have left themselves wide open and if these events had occured in my country like this, arrests would have been made withing 24 hours of discovering Sabrina. Why is it more than 48 hours later no arrests have been made? I am sitting here in London, UK extremely upset by the ‘laid back’ attitude of the police. At the end of the day police work is police work no matter what country you are in. Yet it seems that police work is not police work in Cayman, as it was Sabrina’s family that discovered her body not the police. This should never have happened. She was not buried, she was left there in the bush, for anyone to find. If the police were doing there supposedly police work they would have been the ones to discover her, not the poor girl’s family. One of the officers leading this enquiry is English, I can’t help wandering if she is on vacation in the Cayman, as I feel she is not doing enough, perhaps her relaxtion time is being interrupted. I hope and pray to God that Sabrina fought them, then she will have their DNA on her hands and under her nails. But one thing that does worry me, with all these so called sightings was this to buy them time to get off the Island? I was the one that received the phone call in my household about Sabrina’s passing, and I had to tell my husband George, Sabrina’s cousin. That was so hard for me, to see him in so much pain and heartache was heartbreaking to see. Lord only knows what pain and heartache her Mum, siblings and the rest of the family are going through. My heart bleeds for the family, and for the life taken away from a beautiful young girl. My condolences go out to Hope and the rest of the family. R.I.P Sabrina 

     

  30. Anonymous says:

     I believe that in order for the Police to realise that their actions has caused Sabrina’s life, her family should SUE the entire Police Force. Until the Police Force get a slap in their face to wake them up, this will only continue. No one is perfect, and no one deserves to be taken the way Sabrina did. If we cannot depend on the Police to protect us, then who can rely on. We (especially women) now live in fear. I pray that God will shine a light upon this situation and pray that the police will redeem themselves by finding whoever did this and that justice will be served.

    It seems to me that the public has more common sense than these police. The laid back attitudes has insulted the whole island.  The whole police force owes the whole Schirn family a public apology. Once again I hope the family sues them. Maybe then they would pick their act up.

  31. Anonymous says:

    1.  The Police should have immediately gone after the man who threatened Sabrina at her work place days before!

    2.  The Police should have immediately searched East End on the next day as soon as the report from her family came into them that she and the car was missing! And the Police should have immediately gone after one more time again the person who threatened her days earlier at her workplace, DUH!!!

    3.  Then they would have found her maybe not in time to save her, but at least with upmost dignity and respect to her and her family as a precious human life, rather than her body just wasting away along a road side decomposing with a Police Department to lazy and uncaring to look for her.  Along a roadside, i have even heard it was in the middle of the road (like a dirt road it sounds like), imagine, one doesn’t even have to get out of one’s car if that’s the case, just sit in the car and drive and look and behold, there she was!  Not to mention the white car was further by the entrance from the main road, my God, why was that white car not found immediately???  That is what blows my mind over and over again!  I say to sink the helipocter in the sea, because they sure aren’t using it well!  (PS, anytime anyone ever goes missing again, the family needs to mention they have a pound of coke so the police will hurry up and go search for them!  Where is the DTF????????  Why could they not have found her and they are so used to searching!!!???  And again, where is the darn helicopter???  Actually, the helicopter wasn’t even needed, it wasn’t even that difficult, the white car was near the main road on the side road that leads to the quarry in visible sight, and Sabrina’s body was a mile down the road from that in the road according to what i’m hearing!!  And i’m hearing from some pretty close sources!!

    4.  Then if they found her quickly which was easy if they right away searched East End by car, not even neccessarily even needing a helicopter for this one because of being by the roads and or in the roads, then we the Public would not have been so more traumatized with each passing hours and days on end, not to mention the trauma of her family waiting as the minutes and hours and days dragged on in fear and horror!  Then the island would not be so outraged and disgusted with the Police Force as they are now, and it’s too late dear Police Force, there is nothing you could do now to restore our confidence unless everyone gets fired and we start on a clean slate, arm new officers and make them go through all the rigourous mental and physical and psychological training and testing like in the US to have proper Police that can do much better for our island than this lazy incompetent bullcrap that is going on!!!

    AND TO YOU MR. NEW TEMPORARY CHIEF OF POLICE, PACK YOUR BAGS AND GO HOME AWAY FROM US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YOU HAVE FAILED US MISERABLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You should have never been put as the temporary Chief, you are completely incompetent to run the Police Force!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    God Bless Sabrina, may she rest in peace, i pray much comfort and love to her family in this anguished painful loss of their dearly beloved Sabrina, in Jesus Name.  God Bless You and Keep You.

    PS:  And to anyone who wants to speak badly of Sabrina, here’s what i have to say:  She’s young, she had a steady job of 2 years, she’s not a bum or a thug!!!   Many times women get caught up with bad boyfriends, it happens to rich women, poor women, black women, white women, asian women, european women, american women, caribbean women, indian women, educated women, uneducated women, young women, old women, all womens of the world!!!  How dare you speak ill of young Sabrina!!!  I hope they nail that guy and put him away for life and not no manslaughter charges!  Murder Charges!!  But, then again, we’re talking about our RCIP here, so he’ll probably walk free to murder again!!!

    WE HAVE A CRAPPY POLICE FORCE!!  SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE!!  IF OUR POLICE FORCE DOES NOT CHANGE FOR THE BETTER, THEN OUR COUNTRY WILL CHANGE FOR THE MUCH WORSE THAN ANYTHING YOU HAVE SEEN YET, IT WILL BE LIKE JAMAICA, BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR CLOSEST NEIGHBOUR, AND CRIMINALS COME HERE FROM JAMAICA UNDETECTED THAT THEY ARE TRULY MONSTROUS CRIMINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  (No to all the rest of the Jamaicans who are good people, i am not trying to insult you or oppose you, you yourselves know how horrible and terrible all the Jamaican thugs are!!  YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!!)  In your country of Jamaica they cause you to live in fear and grief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  So let’s just get that straight ok, i don’t want to hear no bullcrap that i’m discriminating against Jamaicans, so don’t even bother to reply with that nonsense to me!!!  What does your musicians sing about in Jamaica, don’t they sing about the thugs in Jamaica who terrorize and murder their fellow Jamaican people???!!!  Jamaica is our closest neighbour, and that is the REALITY!!!  If Cayman becomes more and more slack in their PoliceForce, then more and more of the Thug Criminal Monster Jamaicans will come in here to this island and create more havoc for us here!!!!  No, i’m not saying a Jamaican murdered Sabrina, but i do know it was Jamaicans that have carried out some of the other murders in this island, some even being paid as a hit job to just come over here and do the job and then leave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

  32. Anonymous says:

    How sad it is to hear the police were called at the first sign of violent behaviour by an unwelcome man at Blockbusters.  For the police not even to show up, is unforgiveable and who knows, that perhaps if they had, this young girl may still be alive.  I hope the murderer is caught, but the commissioner of police should also be put on trial for his failing police service.  At the very least the police should be investigated independantly specifically for this incident.  It is pointless to allow them to investigate themselves.

    It is a tragic end to a young life and my thoughts are for the family and their grieving, exacerbated by the lack of effective policing.

  33. T says:

     

    Sabrina your Killer or Killers will be brought to Justice: God up above is tenderly watching over your Soul. RIP

     

    I must firstly say Condolences to the Schirn Family and Friends of the deceased.

    I did know Sabrina but not to really socialize with as I knew her through another friend but each time she saw me, she was hailing me with a smile on her face.

    I most say that I have been following the news since she went missing. The question I ask myself as well as my friends are that where in Cayman can someone go Missing????

    Well now I know… I too blame the police but what I’ve learned about the RCIP is that if you’re not High in color, on there Famous list, or even BIG friends with them they don’t give a damn about you. I do agree that the Police can’t be in 10 places at one time but if you have officers that are off duty, call them in. I must however commend the officers for a wonderful display of Loyalty to the Community…..”yeh right”, what a Laugh. The Cayman Islands has the most disgusting police force and I bet you if they saw me driving with blue lights or dark TINT, I would have 2 – 3 cars pull me over, Shame and Disgrace to the Police Force. I think the government needs to address this situation with the Queen and see if she could recruit some of her officers to the Cayman Islands and FLING OUT the ones who’s only sitting on there a** just tocollect the FAT pay cheque at the end of the month. How could the RCIP make the family of this girl find her body in the condition it was in, this is horrible and no family should have to endure this. You see what the RCIP is trying to avoid is a Lawsuit and I think the family should slap them with one so that they can wake up because it’s obvious they are SLEEPING. The RCIP is so feisty telling Mrs. Schirn that it’s probably a boyfriend thing. You see because of the lifestyle that people were portraying that she was living……. so what even the high society people out there are doing it but that’s still no way to take someone’s life. This is the reason why the RCIP didn’t take this case serious because they were discriminating her lifestyle. If you were to weed out the Police that are corrupt in the force you wouldn’t have any left…. I can guarantee you that as nuff of them out there doing there wrongs too and it’s just a matter of time till they are caught.

    People wake up and cast your votes…. Kick out these people who are in charge and get some new faces who could possibly put Cayman back together and help us to be a better Society. There is so much I want to say but it would turn into a book by the time I’m finished. I would suggest that the RCIP get further training when it comes to processing a crime scene or analyzing a case of such. Better yet Instead of the Government spending $4.6 mil on FOOLISHNESS, spend it on something that worth while, like probably paying for a Crime Scene specialist to be recruited to work with the RCIP and maybe with the amount of crime we have unsolved.. JUSTICE can be served. AMEN

     

  34. Anonymous says:

    No one is perfect!!! Please remember this was a mothers CHILD!!! regardless of someone’s life style or the friends they keep, we should rember that we are all human. Sabrina did not deserve to die the way she did!! about blaming RCIP, i give them fault for not going to EE in the very beginning being that that is where she was going to "meet someone". EE should have been the first place they searched…

    I just pray that God blesses her soul and he gives her family they strength they need to get through this…

    to all the young ladies out there, please take care and BEWARE!!!!!

    Lets hope that the RCIP get their act together ASAP!!!

     

    • Anonymous says:

      I often wonder if society would love for the police to start checking more often on all those persons who use little side roads, lovers lanes as they call them, for potential persons who might commit murder or other serios crimes, since the police supose to know everything thats going to hapen when two people choose to meet under the cover of darkness or privacy? I could hear all the critics saying, " Why are they harrasing us for?" we are not criminals! we only hear to have our private moments! i guess you "dam if you do, and damm if you dont".

      To the best of my knowlege society is much larger than the police force, therefore society is spread out further than the police force can.  It only says that the chances are much greater for "John Public" to stumble across something  a lot quicker than the police.

      People should understand that in todays world there are a lot of influences, be it imported, home grown, from the www. or the TV. all that coupled with the various different personalities. it is very difficult for the Law to know when someone is about to strike.

      What gave us the idea that Cayman is exempt from the rest of the world that these things should not come to pass? it is very unfortunate that these things happen, but as long as a person has the desire to do something, they will! and them, and only them will have a good idea when it will happen. They seldon advertise.

      I guess according to some people the RCIP is expected to know all this. I agree that the RCI P in the eyes of the public could do better, but who hasa been protecting these shores all along? is RCIP that bad?  its very easy to be a critic. use that time to pray, the bible has to be fulfilled, that is if you believe in it.

      I would like for all the critics here to answer this question.

      What are the statistics for prevention?

      Can you imagine if it was not for the police around, how many serious crimes, including murder, would have probably been committed? Think about that? you condem them for driving around in their cars, do you not think that by the mere presence at times, they may have perhaps foil several crimes, so basically when they are not around they committ these serious crimes, like what has haened recently. it could be worst folks. Stop the Silly talk and suport the RCIP. Sabrina and family my sincere condolences to you all. Justice will prevail. God Bless everyone.

       

       

  35. EC says:

    I AM INCANDESCENT WITH HORROR & RAGE!!! – That poor, poor girl’s body was left to decompose in the heat for seven days.  HAVE MERCY LORD!!! How could the police be so nonchalant about her disappearance?  How dare the police treat Sabrina’s Mother, brothers, sisters, in fact her entire family and Friends with such utter contempt, yes CONTEMPT, and if you don’t know what that means "DISRESPECT" – why was Sabrina not important enough to devote a team to look for her?  instead her desperate family were left to search for her alone – to the police she was just another statistic, another inconsiderate young girl gone off without bothering to notify her family, how dare the police decide who is important and who is not – How dare the police decide who is creditable and who is not – How dare the police be a law unto themselves.

    The feral monster/s who committed this ghastly crime should be hung, drawn and quartered, they do not deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison – why should they be allowed to eat prison food or be allowed to live, they are the scum of the earth and should be punished to accordingly. 

    How will the Police force atone for their shabby investigation into Sabrina’s disappearance and ultimate demise – to be honest they can’t, the damage has already been done.  You have messed up "Royally"!!  RCIPS – Royal being the operative – you don’t deserve the title – Elizabeth II would be ashamed of you all. 

     

  36. Mind Your Business says:

    Inevitably, if you allow your society and population to grow at such an out of control rate, you will see increases in crime, poverty, welfare, unemployment, etc.

    You all helped to make the bed, now you have to lie in it.

    The blame lies on everyone, not just the police

    My deepest sympathy to the family.

  37. Anonymous says:

    i am reposting this to this topic that i had posted to another topic:

    BODDEN TOWN, EAST END AND NORTH SIDE NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH POLICE ON DUTY AT ALL TIMES TO HAVE A PROPER POLICE PRESENCE IN THOSE DISTRICTS!!  HOW MUCH MORE MURDERS DO WE NEED BEFORE WE HAVE ENOUGH POLICE IN THESE DISTRICTS???  WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE POLICE FORCE??? The first Kindergarten Step would be to have enough police in each of the districts as it needs!!!  Lord have Mercy help us!!!  How many times have people from these districts complain that there is no one manning the police station, they call for police who sometimes never show up, never can be found, or show up an hour later!!!  Cayman is not the same anymore, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE MURDERED VICTIMS!!!  Not to mention those who have been terrified/harmed by intruders while they sleep!!!  Or those who come home to a broken into home and belongings stolen out of their home???  There is way too much crime on this island to have lazy police!!!  I think we need a MILITARY FORCE now in this island!!  And God forbid, our police aren’t even armed!!!  That’s why there is too much incompetent police on the force!!  Because if they had to go through all the rigor and training and psychology training and testing to be an armed Police Officer, then many of them would either not join or they would fail the training, thus weeding out all the incompetent ones so that we can have a good strong Police Force!!!  PLEASE ARM OUR POLICE WITH GUNS, BUT MAKE THEM GO THROUGH ALL THE RIGHT TRAINING AND TESTING FIRST AS MENTIONED ABOVE LIKE THEY DO IN THE USA!!  OTHERWISE PLEASE UK COULD YOU SEND SOME OF YOUR SOLDIERS HERE TO CAYMAN, WE NEED THEM DESPERATELY!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      Hun, I think if we ARM some of the police we have now, things would be worse! We give them a baton and they feel as though they are sitting on a pedestal!

      Then again, the majority of the public are raising their children to disrespect their elders!

      I think all of this starts from the home. Here are some basic tips:

      • 1) Try to raise kids properly – spare the rod, spoil the child.
      • 2) Envolve kids in productive activities – football is a common and disciplinary sport that could train the young ones to respect their peers and their elders (coaches)
      • 3) Teach children the difference between right and wrong – some parents send their illmannered children to school, and when they disrespect faculty they (the parents) expect to cuss and go on about how no one else should scould their children – this signals to the child that disrespecting teachers, peers, etc is right!

      Lastly, but not least……

      • 4) Instill some god-fearing principles in their lives

      I know that these are just a few pointers, and sometimes even when parents try sooo hard, their kids just grow up to become a dissapointment to them. But it doesn’t mean that we must stop trying.

      God Bless the youth of Cayman today, because they will be our leaders for tomorrow.

  38. Anonymous says:

    Doesn’t anyone think that there was just nothing the police could do to prevent this? Why is everyone looking to blame the police? What could they have done if she was murdered a hour later after she left work? What they need to be trying to figure out is what she was going to do and who she was going to meet and why borrow a car when you have one and why meet that person in the Farm land in East End where if violance was to start there would be no one there to hear her screams. Then you will get your answers…from everything i have been reading there was nothing the police could have done to save her life the only thing they could of played a part in was to find her body sooner.

     

    • Anonymous says:

       

      I second, third, fourth this comment.

    • Anonymous says:

      Does this individual know for a fact that Sabrina went to High Rock to meet this person because so far I don’t see anything to indicate this, or are you just assuming that was the case because that is where she was found? I agree that there are lost of unanswered questions, to which we may never get the answers, but the Police could have been a bit more pro-active!

  39. Anonymous says:

    Here’s the problem…….Cayman is too small and secretive…..everybody knows everybody through somebody. I am sure the suspects (which I am guessing there have to be more than one)have already tried to figure out an escape route from this situation.

    We are wayyyy to small of an island to let crime slip. We need to come together as a people and report crime. But it’s really hard to do, especially when we know it is our family, regardless of what the crime is; Big or small!

    It’s human nature to defend our own. But listen up Cayman, respect is due and obviously criminals DO NOT respect those who love and try to care for them…..so you know what – TURN THEM IN!!!

  40. Anonymous says:

    Yeah he has missed the point and if we see him again it will be too soon, with attitudes like that i am glad he is gone. He is forgetting that they are paid a good salary to do their jobs. which is obviously and seriously lacking. If the public has to step up everytime as he puts it why do we need the police then.

    You know this was not always like this,I can think back at a time when things weren’t perfect but i  tell you what it was sure better than what we have now. They are sure spending alot more money these days on boats etc  and are we getting better service from them? The public should not be fooled however that certain elements in the government and RCIPS know exactly what has gone on or wrong and were in fact warned by several ex officers about the rise or "certain" elements  to power and what would be the eventual outcome and subsquent damage to the police service.

    The serious problem we now face is that there is clear present threat now to the public at large an it appears it is growing daily and we have no one to protect us. We must however approach this situation carefully because we also have another element to our government that likes to seize  and take advantage of the public trust and anger at these horrific and dreadful situations to draft  and enact a bunch of draconian laws and measures which has done very little to curb or stop these violent acts. As we can now see has little or no effect on crime.

    We do not need another Crime expert either to come in and tells us about crime We need a comprehensive plan by which the public has a say in our crime strategy and when i say public not Politicians who are probably our biggest problem or hypocrites. They are well aware of our problems.

  41. Anonymous says:

    It could get worse – Jack might put Bridger in charge of this investigation.

  42. Anonymous says:




    My deepest condolences to the Shirn family and friends

     

    To the people critising the Police I have to agree with some earlier posters that they are the ones hiding behind the computer placing blame on the Police for every little thing. Next thing you will probably want is a police escort for every man, woman and child on this Island.

     

    Let’s put this into perspective. The Police force does not have the number of Officers required to be everywhere at once. That is why there are different sections. People say all they care about are lights and tint on cars but that is the Traffic section. That section does not do the other things like investigate crimes or financial fraud. If the people had there wish and the RCIPS committed every officer to search for Sabrina and someone broke into there houses because it was the opportune time that would be something else to blame the RCIPS for. I can see it now, the posters would say well you found Sabrina but my house got robbed, what a disgrace the RCIPS is. Come on people, if you are angry about what happened to Sabrina lets all do something constructive about it and not sit back behind a computer and blame the RICPS.

     

    What we need is constructive ideas on how to prevent things like this happening in the future. One of the posters was right when they said that this is what Cayman is coming to. People hiding behind computers shouting blame at the RCIPS, instead of actually doing something constructive. I would like to find out the percentage of people blaming the RCIPS about the search party size and time searching if they were out helping. I bet most of us would be shocked. These are hard time we are facing and we need to all come together as a people and start making changes.

     

    We should have all been on the lookout for that car and Sabrina not just the RCIPS

    • Anonymous says:

      I so agree with this comment ,  yes the police are a bit slack but again they can not be everywhere at all times.  The only problem in Cayman is that even when people have information they are afraid to call the police.  It has been known that your name and information has been giving to the criminals before.  Why would you put your family or yourself on death row??   Maybe if they learn to deal with the information they are giving and keep your name out of it maybe people will come forward.   It is such a shame that in Cayman we have so many unsolved murders.  To just list a few: Mark Jefferson, Marlon Brando, Todd Powery and the list goes on.  Do these people just get brushed under the mat because they weren’t of the high society?   It shouldn’t matter, every life counts in God’s books.

      While the police can’t be every where they should try to respond to calls and concerns a little quicker.  I know of an instance where they were called to dispute and they arrived 4 hours later.  The lady could of been killed and dispossed of by that time.  They do need to take their jobs alot  more seriously. 

      I could only imagaine what her family is going through with losing her and also having to find her in that condition.  To them I can only say to have faith and ask God for the strength to deal with it.  Cause the sympathy that we offer dosen’t stop the pain they feel. 

  43. Anonymous says:

    You so miss the point as you may have very well intended to. Quality service is always commended even in thimes of occasional failiure to live up to expectations.

    The incontrovertable facts are ….

        Estella’s remains were found through deligent search by friends

        Ian Cummins’ remains were found by friends and collegues

        Sabrina’s remains were found by relatives and friends

    We may need to be glad that you left Cayman and the RCIPS. If the situations highlighted previuosly involved any of you family, your friends…you would not be pontificating with mealy mouth excuses. Your ignorance and malnourished conclusions underscore the reason why we are not accomplishing the success we have been charged with.

    True there are many able officers who can and could do a better job if allowed and motivated to do so. We are fully aware of the logistic challenges of our tri-island territory. We know that there are serious shortcommings as to equipment and manpower at times. We know that there have been significant success.  But we have been confronted with collosal failiures on many fronts. Some that could have been resolved with common sense and community help.

    What we also know is that some response mechanisms for varied threats over many years have failed. We know that sence application, lack of respect for the clients requiring service and a grevious misunderstanding of  what is duty are contributions to the failiure.

    There are employee ill fits to this community service. Poor attitudes to works, no understanding or respect for the community and needs, no help to collegues who really work. They are in the service as a financial convenience and pleasures of island living.

    We could mange easily without you.

  44. Anonymous says:

    Not to make light of a very sad, heart-breaking event. But perhaps your headline should be " Police remain clueless"

  45. Lisa Gould says:

    You know what you didnt post my comments which I added since yesterday mid-day…..are you biased now?  I need you ppl to place my comments, because we need to be heard…..otherwise you are totally unfair in your dealings, anyways I felt this was an excellent medium whereby we could share the anger and pain we feel for our murdered loved one….but guess I was wrong.  We need to be heard!!!!!! And I dare you to be bold enough to post my comments!!!!!!

    CNS: Lisa – could you possibly email us at comments@caymannewsservice.com. Thanks

  46. Anonymous says:

    Our heartfelt sympathy is extended to Sabrina’s family.  What a tragedy that the last memory this girls family has is the discovery of her body.  What a poor excuse we have that we call a police force that are hired to serve and protect  our islands.  Shame on them but the again shame on us for tolerating this standard of "protection."   Maybe something will be done when someone with a "higher profile" has a daughter go missing. 

  47. Anonymous says:
    Here we go, despite the fact that we have no idea what the RCIP did or didn’t do to find this young lady, lets all blame the police! How many people criticizing them here on this board actually went out and searched for the young lady? Very, very, few I suspect, what a bunch of hypocrites.
     
    Just because a person is reported missing, it does not immediately mean they have been murdered, if every missing person case was dealt with like they were a murder victim then there would be no more police resources to do anything else like answer 911 calls, and then I’m sure you would all be complaining about that too. Do you even know how many people you have on a murder squad? Usually its around fifteen people, and that does not include people involved in searches and so on, that’s allot of people, when you take into account the force only has three hundred or so cops to provide a 24/7 service to the public across three different islands, as-well as specialist support to those officers.
     
    If you are all such experts why don’t you join up and show them how its done? No, that would require effort and commitment, its much easier to criticize from behind a computer, and just sit on your arse doing nothing.
     
    No wonder everyone is leaving the RCIP, and no one wants to join, just look at the ignorant, ungrateful, hypocritical, judgmental population they have to serve.
     
    Thank christ I left Cayman and the RCIP, reading these post makes me realize what a good decision I made.
     
    You reap what you sow Cayman, with the way you are all behaving things can only get worse.
    • Anonymous says:

      Kudos to you! I sat here reading all these  comments and 95% of them criticize the RCIPS. Yet when a crime occurs they sit there tight lipped no wanting "to get involved". The RCIPS can only be as effective as the resouces that they have, which ironically includes information from the public. I fully understand that there a lot of ppl that are angry and upset, but being critical of RCIPS does not help, get out there and see how you can assist even if the small bit of information you may have to offer seems irrelevent to you.

      • Anonymous says:

        To the person who seems to think that 95% of the replies criticising the RCIPS is inappropriate…. do you work for them by any chance?

        From what I hear (from relatives of the deceased) the body was found on a dirt track only a mile away from where the Police found the car the day before.  Yet, despite having many officers, sophisticated equipment and helicopter(s) with night lights they gave up their search overnight and failed to turn out first light next morning leaving family and friends to continue the search alone. 

        In any murder investigation in a large country that is appalling, but in a small country like this… despicable.

        Sincere condolences to family and friends… yet another tragic event on Cayman… when will it end?

        • Anonymous says:

          While I am not one to be quick to turn on the police, as much of what they do is behind the scenes and sometimes the public is unaware of much of that, I am struck that at a press conference the Deputy Commissioner of Police is not aware of a key piece of evidence — at least from press reports — a reported person who allegedly threatened this woman with a crow bar.  Don’t know?  I am sure that would have been the first line of inquiry: find that man asap.

          I am sure the RCIPS officers must have been pursuing that — so how could the Deputy Commissioner appear at a press conference (was he leading the press conference?) and not be up to date on a key piece of information?

          A little astounding, I have to say.

      • Anonymous says:

        People remained tight lipped because RCIPS lack confidentiality; they talk too much so sometimes you can’t blame people for not wanting "to get involved" as you put it. I have friends that are married to officers and they can tell me everything that goes on with nearly any investigation.  I myself once reported that it sounded like a deaf lady who lived next to me was being molested one night…I haven’t seen them show up yet!

  48. Anonymous says:

    Of course RCIP can offer no clues in to the case because they have no idea what they are doing and never will. The RCIP couldn’t find their ass from a hole in the ground!!! This is the second case in less than a year when a young woman has dissapeared and RCIP did not find them civilians did, So once again great job RCIP keep up the good work!!! My deepest sympthay goes out to her family and friends in their time of need.

  49. bungalow says:

    Stop blaming the Po Po

    I am making the assumption that people are just blowing steam and or simply do not understand policing. It is possible that they are right on the heels of the person(s) that did this but are unwilling to give any information that could tip the suspect off. On the other hand they can be releaseing things to the media on purpose to assist in the investigation. the one thing that he did say that was very interesting which others seemed to have overlooked was :

    " However, he hinted that there may have been a different outcome if some facts had come to light earlier in the investigation."

    stop blaming the police, they did not kill her, nor did they cause her death. heartfelt appologies to the family – and lets support the police in catching this criminal, but its time for the community to step up, stop blaming and help the police. 

    by the way, in the quote above about having some facts come to light sooner – when they catch the person (within the next couple of days) , i bet this will make sense. i have a feeling there may have been some obstruction in this case from the beginning. 

  50. Anonymous says:

    My condolences go out to the family of Sabrina Schirn. This event deeply saddens me.

    Enough is enough! Everyone is pointing a lot of fingers here. Especially at the police. I agree, they did not make this crime against Sabrina a priority. And it dosent look like used all their resources.

    With Estella’s murder it was the same thing.(almost).. It was her husband who made a massive deal about his missing wife. Not the police, the police told him he had to wait 24hrs, before they could act. What?? This was a cause for concern!

    Same here, considering the threats Sabrina had recieved. You would have thought the the police, would have learnt a lesson from the previous incidents. and treated this with high alert. What happened? Wasn’t it just last week that a woman was abducted? Leaving most of cayman’s women in a complete panic and fear, yet again!!

    And you would think after that, the police would have treated this case very seriously. But, it obviously wasn’t that important.

    All I could hear was the rumors that Sabrina kept bad company,and was involved with drugs. Maybe the police seen or heard that and Sabrina immediately became unimportant. I also heard that police officers said to their friends, that they couldnt give a s*** about Sabrina. No matter what lifestyle Sabrina lived, the police force are paid to protect and serve everyone in the cayman islands.

    I mean lets be serious. Sabrina "borrowed" a friend’s car. And left to go East end. She was obviously in some type of trouble, when she didn’t return. Especially after that man threatened her. So the police should have taken every piece of that into consideration,

    This man should have been immediately sought and questioned in her dissappearance. I mean they on Tv making their plea on the behalf of the RCIP, like if they was looking TV time or something. Why wasn’t the blockbuster employees asked to somewhat describe this man, and his description or even drawing posted EVERYwhere?!?!?!? They just doing this now?? Come on! They are just now, asking employees questions about the man???. This is BULL!

    The next thing i have to say is to her "friends", i have seen messages or comments posted on facebook, about they know that her lifestyle was going to catch up with her, and i know who been threatening her, and she my best friend, and i love her…..okay, lets stop the bull! YOU AINT NO FRIEND! Because if you were you wouldnt have been on facebook posting crap, on the event wall that was started to allow people to know that she was missing in the first place. You would had your behind down at the police station giving them everything you know! If the police not listening, then call up Kevin, who had his number pasted on facebook! Kevin, should actually be on the force. He and his family and REAL friends of Sabrina did a great job. And NEVER gave up on Sabrina!

    And to CAYMAN! Let’s start being neighbours again. Watching out for one another, because in this case if Sabrina’s family didn’t give up, she wouldn’t have been found.

    May her soul rest in peace!

     

  51. Lisa Gould says:

     

    The time has come for us to express the anger and some of what we are experiencing…..words cannot begin express:

    Sabrina’s brother, her sister and younger brother had been searching for their sister along with other family members and many friends since day one, they never stopped looking even when our dear RCIPS went home to rest, these kids were vigilant, they went back again with friends who knows the area, they went alone no RCIPS, and in the (7) days they went on that hunt religiously, they never seen or as we say never ever bucked up an officer in the bushes, but they never gave up hope of finding their sister, our dear Sabrina, SO HOW DARE THEY TAKE THE CREDIT……HOW COME YOU ALL WANT TO TAKE THE CREDIT FOR THE FIND?  WHEN YOU DIDN’T EVEN LOOK? TELL ME……AND WHY DID’NT THE POLICE SHOW UP WHEN THEY WERE CALLED ABOUT THE INCIDENT ON HER JOB WHERE SHE WAS THREATNED AND HER TIRES SLASHED SAME DAY? TELL ME WHY? WHY DID’NT THE POLICE GO AS THEY HAD PROMISED?????????? SO MANY UN-ANSWERED QUESTIONS…..AND WE NEED ANSWERS!!!!!!  My nieces life could have been spared, had they acted immediately, they are the cause of Sabrina’s untimely death…….They didn’t care because she was not their blood……but we care because she is our blood!

    Our family and friends created and posted the flyers, we put on the search, we found our love one, no one helped, we did it all on our own, because when the police was approached on Thursday morning for assistance they assisted NOT, we are to be commended for our efforts, IT IS VERY SAD SHE HAD TO BE FOUND BY HER BROTHERS AND A SISTER, VERY SAD AND TROUBLING…..

    SABRINA SCHIRN is the grand-daughter of Amy Gould and the late Ashton Gould, of George Town, Ashton Gould was a veteran of The British army in WWII and one of the founding members of the CI Veterans Association…….as I overheard someone saying a few days ago, "anyone who didn’t know Mr. Gould, didn’t want to know him" Mr. Gould my father was a pioneer to these islands andsailed with National Bulk Carriers after WWII, he built an empire for his family and was highly respected and loved by everyone who knew him, he was always lending a helping hand, whether it was good advise or some groceries which he gave generously from his store on School Rd. in George Town (Gould Dry Goods & Groceries).

    Many of the older generation would know him from old Merren’s Hardware on Shedden Rd, where he was manager until Merren’s moved to West Bay Rd, where he maintained his managerial position until he developed a heart attack in 1982.

    I could say so much more about my father but I said all of that to say this:  WE WANT JUSTICE AND WE WON’T REST UNTIL THE PERPURTRATORS ARE CAUGHT AND DEALT WITH PROPERLY!!!!

    How can man expect to take any life when he himself cannot give life………..Have we forgotten the 10 COMMANDMENTS?????……..THOU SHALT NOT KILL………..If you live by the sword you will die by the sword……..How could any sane human being be so cruel? you mess with one blood, you mess with all blood!!!!!!!  We are very angry!!!

    OUR FAMILY IS DEVASTATED BY THE LOSS OF OUR NEICE, DAUGHTER, SISTER, COUSIN, AND GRAND DAUGHTER….OUR BLOOD…..

    WE SHALL SEE JUSTICE, JUSTICE WILL BE SABRINA’S……..Rest in Peace Sabrina we love you always and forever.

  52. Anonymous says:

    What amazed me with this whole incident is that the police only stated that Sabrina had borrowed a white Honda Terino – I can’t believe that not once (and please correct me if I’m wrong!) did they release the license plate numbers of that car!! Is it just me, or is that not an obvious necessity in a missing person’s case?

    CNS: The police did note the licence no in their first and several subsequent releases.

  53. Anonymous says:

    TO: 

    right man for the job

    (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 – 16:39.

    Kernohan?? are you crazy?? pls leave this section for condolences for sabrina’s family

    **************************************************************************************************** 

     

    TO mr right man for the job as you stated in your title, what are you telling us, that you are the right man for the job of being police chief, yet you are too AFRAID to say who the heck you are??  and you are going to tell people toleave this section for condolences for Sabrina’s family, when you yourself don’t give any condolence in your post thus being A HYPOCRITE??  

    This is about my 4th post on here, and i have given my condolences  a couple times already.  We are outraged at what has happened to Sabrina and how the police force have handled the whole situation, we have all rights to speak up for Sabrina who is now deceased and cannot speak up for herself!  Who do you think YOU ARE???

     

  54. Anonymous says:

    Kernohan was suspended because he

    tried to investigate alleged corruption in the police force

    and fired because

    he refused to follow the Governor’s order to return to Cayman – when apparently (according to his letters / lawyers letters) the Governor did not have authority to order him to do this – and he WAS cooperating with the Operation Tempura investigators from where he was at the time (overseas)

    After himself requesting the entire corruption investigation.

     

    And the message to us all is:  this is what happens to you when you try to seriously investigate corruption in the Cayman Islands.

     

     

    Let the deaths of Sabrina and Estella and others not be in vain. Let us seriously check this violence in our country.  Let us have and be allowed to keep a competant, un-corrupt, fair and effective Police Commissioner.

    My sympathies to the family of Sabrina.

     

     

     

  55. Anonymous says:

    So is the lesson to myself and others be this?  Don’t bother the over worked authorities on any occurance of odd disappearance on the part of a family member, friend, or co-worker…instead initate your own recovery/investigation team, be respectful of likely danger to yourself, brief your team as to the sanctity of any likely crime scence you may happen up on to preserve evidence in as virgin a form as within your possiblity, solve it best you can then call in the overworked professionals.

    Go search and find: Estella, Cummins, now Sabrina.

    Twenty four hours. Enough time to melt down Wall Street, win an election, ruin a nation, lose 40% of your pension assets….

    Do you know how many people have been rescued through amber alerts? Within 24 hours… 

    So are we to assume that missing person of fame but notoriety, a missing officer of the law, a missing nurse, a missing teacher would need to outlive the protocol of 24 hours before theeasing of coupon inquisitions occure to foil real time crime that could distroy this once peaceful land of hope for so many from near and far?

    Are we not to be outraged… and act decisively in effecting over needed change?

     

  56. Kernohan?? are you crazy?? plsleave this section for condolences for sabrina’s family

  57. Anonymous says:

     

    What a whole load of bulls%*&! Can you really believe the answers that Deputy Police Commissioner Anthony Ennis gave!! What a pathetic bunch that we have and call the Royal Cayman Islands Police Service…they are all a bunch of losers and should be ashamed of themselves!! I hope they can sleep at night!!
     
    The family didn’t get the support from them but I tell you what if they had been called that there was a boat load of drugs being unloaded you would have seen how quick they would have responded…and half the force would have been there.
     
    Someone has to be done about the Police Service, it needs a good clean up, from top to bottom and get rid of all those that are there just collecting the pay cheques, because they don’t earn it!!
     
    God forbid, and I trust that this will brutal murder will not go on top of the pile and become another cold case!!  
     
    I pray for this family, and God be with you all!
  58. Anonymous says:

    Dectective Inspector Kim Evans said, "We will do all we can to find out what happened to Sabrina and bring her killer or killers to justice.”

    Have you ever heard such bullcrap??  This is the same stuck broken record playing over and over again of what they always say.  I say they are too darned lazy to do any investigation properly, and worse the police and the criminal investigating department don’t like to unite to solve crimes because their warped egos of fighting over who will get the glory for solving it.  I wonder how much murders are unsolved because of their disgusting sickening egos???  A white car known the same day to be headed to East End could have easily been found in the bushes near a raodside in East End within 24 hours!!!  Where is the darn helicopters???

    Oh, i guess we’ll just play stupid and act like Cayman is still such a wonderful little paradise and just laugh and act like nothing bad is happening here.  Listen to the PUBLIC!!!  They are SCARED!!!  What the heck more is going to take to shake your deaf lazy ears to all you police leaders and government leader???  Not until the victims is one of your own loved ones??? Get the darn wax out of your ears!!!

  59. Anonymous says:

    The Chief Operational Commander of the RCIPS is so incompetent and full of himself, that he should be transferred to an out-station somewhere back in the rural hills of his native land. It dosen’t surprise me that once again, he and others are 25 steps behind the criminals.

    Hate to say it, but this one will not likely be solved. The stupid criminals this time won’t be carrying and using the victims cell phone and therefore, Cable and Wireless LIME won’t be able to give the police the " Big Break" they got with Estella Scott Roberts Murder.

    Had it not been for Cable and Wireless competent staff, Estella Scott Roberts murder would not have been solved by the RCIPS up until now. I know for a fact that just 24 hours prior to the " Big Break" in Estella’s case, the police were scratching their head not knowing " BOUNCE"

    Unproductive, insincere, uncaring, non-reactive, laziness, incompetence and kissing A – –  from mother country, equals S – – – !!!!!

  60. Anonymous says:

    0.I totally agree! They say her body is so decomposed etc etc, which in fact indicates that she has been dead for awhile and possibly since Wed. Why aren’t these leads being followed? And what kind of response is that that Ennis gave? Pathetic truly pathetic! He gave that response because he is quite aware that the force totally screwed this one up. We need some qualified CSI agents around here!!! Too bad it’s just a show!!!!

  61. Anonymous says:

    Talking about the Police forve is very depressing……It seems as if they dont have a clue sometimes even when common facts are right in fron of them,for example

    Asked whether police were following up on reports that the victim was threatened at work by a man armed with a crowbar, Deputy Police Commissioner Anthony Ennis responded, “I do not know,” adding, “I’ll have to get back to you on that.”

    How can you negelct that!!!

  62. Anonymous says:

    I agree with the first writer, and why set up a major incident room now, it is too late this room should have been set up from day one

  63. Anonymous says:

    POOR GIRL>>>>YOU ALL STOP BLAMING EVERYTHING ON THE POLICE!!!!!!!

  64. Anonymous says:

    Excuse me but weren’t things a lot better when we had Kernohan? Remind me again why he was sacked. If we get rid of Bridger, Smith and the Governor, do you think he’ll come back?

  65. Anonymous says:

    Are these people sleeping or just plain foolish?

    Which 21yr old is not going to use their cell phone for 24hrs, much less a week? Do they realise that with the small amount of evidence that is coming out, it would seem that she was murdered from the wednesday she went missing. I

    am not in law enforcement, but the fact that the last her cell was used (according to news reports) was last wednesday morning, opens my eyes to reasoning that when they were begging her to come home, like she was some runaway, she was already taken away. Common sense, people, has been thrown thru the window in this case.

    It is sad but maybe this will wake them up and they will never sit by when they get a missing person report again. In 2009 you cannot have the attitude that you have to wait 24hrs before filing a missing person report. If the person should have arrived at a destination at a specific time, they haven’t and can’t be reached,  and its very out of character of that person, it should be reported and the police should take action, be they children or adults.

    Cayman’s laid back days are over.