Robbers caught on camera
(CNS): The police have now released a number of pictures of the two men who committed an armed robbery at Margaritaville restaurant last Friday 16 October at around 8:15 in the morning. The RCIPS is asking anyone who may know or think they recognize these men to please come forward and speak to them. The two men entered the restaurant armed with a gun and a knife and after threatening two employees with the weapons they made off with an undisclosed amount of cash, which CNS understands to be in excess of $20,000. In other crime news, police said that they have arrested man who had broken into a shop on Shedden Road in the early hours of Wednesday morning.
Police said if anyone has any information regarding the men who were involved in the Margaritaville robbery regarding their whereabouts or any other information there are several ways in which they can pass that information on. They can reach George Town detectives on 949-4222, people can speak with an officer, alternatively they can leave information on an anonymous voicemail service by calling 949-7777 or they can call Crime Stoppers on 800-8477 (TIPS).
Meanwhile, a 46-year-old man was arrested in the early hours of this morning after a report of an attempted burglary on Shedden Road, George Town. 911 received the call just before 1:00 am that someone was attempting to break into Howell’s Shoe Shop. Officers attended and found that the steel bars had been removed from a rear window. Upon further investigation the suspect was found still inside the premises. He was arrested on suspicion of burglary and transported to George Town Police Station, where he remains in custody, police said.
Anyone with information about crime taking place in the Cayman Islands should contact their local police station or Crime Stoppers on 800-8477 (TIPS). All persons calling Crime Stoppers remain anonymous, and are eligible for a reward of up to $1000, should their information lead to an arrest or recovery of property/drugs.
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Caymanians stop the hatred. Fix your own mess without pointing fingers, but sorry i know you can never do that …. once again sorry for over estimating your capability. I think the many Caymanian thiefs are having a field day knowing that despite what they do Jamaicans / expats will be blamed.
Style up
Did anyone notice that both men placed their hands on the reiling entering to the building. If the Government had the database I was talking about they would have caught these criminals the same day.
Get the fingerprint data up and going please.
Nothing to do with this article but your comment ‘Cayman has given much more to Jamaica than Jamaica has given to Cayman’…….huh? explain? "If you know your history"……..Bob Marley. His songs and music were full of ‘drugs, violence and degredation of women’, weren’t they?
You know you might be right Joe,but iniatilly I thought they were from Wisconsin!!
We’ll find out soon enough and see exactly who is right.
Looks like these guys were caught yesterday at Immigration…wearing the same clothes as in the pics…LOL
If this is true, how funny. Dumb criminals LOL.
They couldn’t be from Wisconsin. People from Wisconsin wear rubber boots! Unless….they are from Wisconsin and they took off the boots and spoke in patois as a disguise. That was clever.
They both look like they’re from Philadelphia. I’ve always said you can’t trust anyone from Philadelphia. We should clamp down on Philadelphians.
So the one guy DEFINATELY had a band aid on his right arm, no doubt after enhancing the images. Maybe the police should check with the hospital’s to see who gave any blood specimens that day. Their hats are different as well, the one has "wings" on it, while the other is for sure a logo of some sort.
A now semi-prominent "Caymanian" teacher once said, when referring to the granddaughter of of the family whom one of the first office buildings in central George Town is named after "She’s too white to be Caymanian". I guess it’s really more about what suits some people best on the day. Just a thought.
For all the Jamaican hating that goes on in these forums and for all its bad, Jamaica has given more to this world than Cayman could ever hope to achieve. From music to world class athletes to some of the world’s great academics and businessmen, I am hard pressed to find one thing that Cayman has provided to the world that can compare. And no, provision of financial services do not count as its the ex-pats you are so desperate to kick out who built that.
Pssst – Jamaicans are ex pats too! 😉
Welcome to the club!
On a lighter note, as I understand it, an ‘expat’ is a shortened form of expatriate – meaning someone who does not live in their own country (Cambridge Advance Learner’s Dictionary).
Also, a hyphenated word with a prefix of ‘ex-‘ means – ‘out of’, ‘from’, or ‘indicates a former title or status’ example : ex-president, ex-husband, ex-convict, etc.
now based on the above, it really confuses me what an ‘ex-pat’ means – sort of being formerly a ‘pat’ and now not anymore? and now there’s an ‘ex pat’! ????
Lighten up for a minute, folks. Laughter is the best medicine remember? Be that as it may, but we certainly cannot laugh away the ills our society is suffering nowadays (now a days?)
So if Cayman has not given anything to the world what the hell are you doing here in Cayman? Cayman has built a good reputation around the world unlike Jamaica which is known for so much violence. Back in the 1980’s the US government had to crack down on the Jamaican organised crime. Most of them were killed off by the government and the others were deported back to Jamaica. Most business people in Jamaica fleed that country along time ago with their families. The majority of music exported from Jamaica speaks of drugs, violence and degredation of women. Cayman has given much more to Jamaica than Jamaica has given to Cayman!
Although this has nothing to do with the article, your comment ‘The majority of music exported from Jamaica speaks of drugs, violence and degredation of women’ – that is not true! Perhaps you should do some research and listen to some real music.
I think that is what is know as Sarcasm..
Not that this has anything to do with the subject matter but – nah I think that’s what’s known as plain truth. Most of the music made in Jamaica does not promote drugs, violence and degredation of women’.
The problem is that most of the music that the radio stations, clubs and other media choose to play does promote drugs, violence and degredation of women, thus giving the impression that this is all Jamaica produces.
I think the previous poster is right – you need to do some research and listen to some real music.
Thank you, fellow ‘real music’ luvver:) Have a real music weekend!
I think the previous poster was right. Allot of those reggage artist are banned from performing in certain countries? Their lyrics are full of hate, violence, drugs, sex and degredation of women.
There are some yes, but there are lots more playing and singing ‘real’ reggae! Go find some real music and enjoy your reggae weekend:) Add a Red Stripe too – enjoy:)
So Cayman’s worldwide reputation as a safe haven for money launders and tax evaders is a good one? I didn’t think that being a facilitator of criminal activity was something to aspire to but I guess I’m wrong!
The truth about the matter is that in the same way that much of Cayman’s reputation abroad is exaggerated, so too is Jamaica’s. By no means am I suggesting that Jamaica does not have its difficulties, but I would think that educated people would know that the barometer for truth is not public perception. Perhaps that’s why you and people of your ilk continue to succumb to idiocy: lack of education, common sense and good old human decency.
And on a related note, yourassertions about "half of them being killed" and that Cayman has given Jamaica more than vice versa does little to curb the obvious i.e you are not the brightest bulb in the chandelier
Most business people in Jamaica "fleed" that country… They may have fled, but certainly not "fleed". As for your other comment about "the majority of music exported from Jamaica speaks of drugs, violence and degredation of women", you may wish to consider degradation versus "degredation", but more importantly, you may wish to consider that some Caymanian men are excellent practitioners of such practices. Just a thought.
Jamaicans will be the first acknowledge (at least in private) that they have their people are at once thier biggest asset and their biggest liability. Because ‘ asset’ Jamaicans have indeed contributed much does not exempt the ‘liability’ Jamaicans from any critical examination. One has nothing to do with the other.
It’s a bit silly to compare the accomplishments of 20,000 native Caymanians to a nation of some 3m people, don’tyou think? It is also quite irrelevant to the issue of crime.
You know what, you’re right! Winning some gold medals in the Olympics will surely advance the world. By golly, I don’t know why I didn’t think about it before. All that does is prove that they can run fast…. nothing to do with positive contribution to the world.
You are so such a hypocritic it is pathetic – being envious won’t help your cause. Maybe you should spend sometime researching the many positive contributions Jamaicans have made world wide before you write your rubbish. I am 100% Caymanian who can’t stand bad mind, grudgeful and envious people.
Lol… oh I’m "so such a hypocritic" am I?
I don’t see you listing anything to counter my sarcasm other than trying to insult me (you failed by the way). If the topic is so important to you, then you wouldn’t be telling me to do my research, but rather come up with some points of your own.
Don’t misunderstand me, the only point I was trying to make is that the previous poster thinks that because some Jamaicans can run fast & sing means that they are helping the world on a whole. While there are some tunes that have positive vibrations & can therefore be meditative, how do gold medals in the Olympics help the world on a whole? Gold medals get a country recognised by other, select countries, but other than that… what happens? Do their winning gold medals buy food for the starving children in Sudan, the child in India with a cleft palate & needs surgery, the woman with tapeworms in Malaysia….? Please enlighten me.
If listings of positive contributions, or contributors rather, had included say Marcus Garvey or Colin Powell then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Maybe if Caymanians didn’t think that going to Miami was an "exotic vacation" they’d realise that you can’t tell where people are from based on how they look and what race they are.
The idea that a Jamaican has a certain "look" just shows how incredibly limited the exposure of those making these comments is. My best friend from University in Canada was a Jamaican and he was as white as they come.
If Cayman is such a Christian place, instead of looking to blame others for their own shortcomings, it would be beneficial for them to look at their own prejudiced attitudes. I’ve known families to actively discourage their members from dating black people yet go to church and pretend to be good christians. Its time for Cayman to stop pretending to be a God fearing nation and start being one by treating all that come to its shores as they themselves would like to be treated; regardless of race, creed or colour.
I for one have touched down on no less than 4 continents, spending significant time in each, & can still point out a Jamaican. You may think it’s racist, but it is factual – think about it… you live in a country where you are surrounded by a particular culture/ethnicity every day of your life (for myself, almost 3 decades)… don’t you think it would become quite easy for you to identify members of that culture/ethnicity? The fact that you are denying that those of a particular ethnicity has a certain "look" shows how naive and in denial you are. It is a matter of genetics.
Bringing religion into the discussion is quite irrelevant. Being prejudiced would involve people saying that every crime in Cayman is most definitely committed by a Jamaican. It was posted earlier that most Jamaicans will admit that their people are their greatest asset, yet their greatest liability at the same time. I work closely with two Jamaican women in particular & they both are in agreement that (as with ANY culture) a lot of their fellow country-folk on this island embarrass them, but yet there are others that they are proud of for their accomplishments.Take a look at this webpage that discusses crime in JA: http://www.jamaicancaves.org/jamaica-crime.htm and tell me if you have ever had those experiences in Cayman initiated by a Caymanian.
On another note, I know black families that discourage their members from dating white people & also go to church. The church is full of hypocrites, regardless of race or ethnicity, what is your point?
And by the way, it is because of Caymanians being so welcoming for so many years that we are in the situation we are right now – outnumbered. You may call it xenophobia – I call it regret.
Do people forget that when Jamaica was still a Crown colony, Cayman was a dependency of them? It was when Jamaica gained their independence that Cayman decided to remain a Crown colony. There have been ties between us for years now & Caymanians do not hate Jamaicans, all they want is for those so voraciously defending Jamaicans, citing Caymanian racism as the reason, to look at the facts.
As a retired member of the military, I have had the distinct pleasure of being stationed in several different countries (20) as well as continents (7). And I too have spent "significant time" in each. I think my experience would trump yours and I can say categorically that the idea that the people of a certain country have a certain "look" is simply wrong. Sadly underlining your misguided comments do not make them any less wrong than before.
In a country like Jamaica (where I consulted for 5 years) which is made up of several races and ethnicities, its people will inherently have different genetics and therefore different "looks". And for clarification, being from the same country does not mean that you are the same ethnicity. So your idea that all Jamaicans share the same genetics lets me know that you perhaps should enroll in some high school classes.
As for what prejudice means, in the same way that the neo-nazi white supremacist movements doesn’t blame blacks/jews for all of their problems, it certainly can’t be said that they aren’t prejudice. The combination of biased statements like "all jamaicans have the same look" as well as the almost instant inclination to blame jamaicans for crime instead of leaving it open until the evidence is in, would lead any objective, unbiased person to the conclusion that you are prejudiced. Sorry to break the news to you.
Ah, yes, let’s not forget about the 1.3% East Indian, 0.2% Chinese, 0.2% European & the other 0.6% of unknown ethnicity (http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Jamaica-ETHNIC-GROUPS.html). Wikipedia has a slightly different figure quoted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica) about the ethnicity of the men in question; Encarta has figures close to that of Wikipedia (http://encarta.msn.com/fact_631504789/Jamaica_Facts_and_Figures.html). Less than 7% of mixed ethnicity… my, oh my, that’s a lot of genetic aggregation! I am not sure why you feel the need to clarify that being from the country doesn’t mean that you are of the same ethnicity.. surely that clarification is for yourself. Perhaps if I had said they resemble black Jamaicans – or rather, Jamaicans of African descent (i.e. 90+%) – your verbal whiplash might have been a little more subdued.
No matter what you say, or how much world experience you claim to have, I am quite positive that if a survey were to be conducted, the results would show that the majority of members of a country (namely those born & bred there), have distinguishing features from those of another country. If this were not so, why is it that on an almost weekly basis I am told that I don’t "look like a Caymanian"?
Due to the fact that my assertion is attested by the news report that the men who committed the robbery spoke with Jamaican accents, I don’t think my observation fits the definition of being "[a] unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence" definitive of prejudice. And please, let’s not go into the argument of others faking Jamaican Patois. I simply don’t have the energy.
I would ask you to help me conduct the survey, but since you have decided to remain a cryptorchid Anonymous, I doubt you would want to expose yourself to a public feat such as that. But… let’s not fight… besides, I am hard-pressed to truly incite fervor within myself to become agitated at someone who stoops to the level of attempting to insult me by telling me to enroll in high school. Applause for your lack of mindless profanity, but thumbs down for the creativity.
In any event, the truth shall be revealed if & (hopefully) when the culprits are booked & charged.
P.S. If you truly were stationed on 7 continents at some point… why could you not just say "every continent in the world" – or were you hoping that by saying it that plainly might draw questions about the validity of the statement? I’m sure your stationing in Antarctica really exposed you to their native countrymen.. oh, silly me, there are none. In any event, it must have been nice seeing the variety of tuxedo penguins.
Sad but true. I wonder how many people God will tell to "depart from me, I NEVER knew you." One can maybe fool others but you can’t fool God. He sees the heart. Prejudice is ugly.
Just in case you guys fail to realize this..there are white jamaicans, black jamaicans, chinese Jamaicans etc..To just look at a person and say that he is Jamaican is totally riculous..especially in a distorted photo graph..There is a reason why the police arent listening to these stupid suggestions..Cayman would be worse than it is..BTW I thought almost half of Cayman was of Jamaican ancestry!
You know for someone who was supposedly coming/visiting to the Islands next week, you seem to be heavily involved with details.
Just an observation.
I don’t think Caymanians, who have lived with Jamaicans for all their lives, visited Jamaica etc., really need a lesson from you on how to identify one. Obviously we are aware that there are white Jamaicans etc. That really has nothing to do with the issue.
Actually half of Caymanians are of Jamaican ancestry, and half of expatriates are Jamaican.
A lot of people fail to realize that now a days Caymanians and Jamacians are hanging together. in the past it was just the cayman nationals committing these crimes, but since the economical problems we will start to see different nationals committing crimes.
Jamaican patois (patwah) is one of the easiest languages to imitate, no matter what nationality you are. Have me stand corrected, but many persons committing criminal activities realise that the first nationality that becomes targeted is a "Jamaican" so they will do whatever to mislead or elude authorities.
There are persons who come here, think and imitate Caymanians just to blend into our soceity. The same can be said for persons who try to fit into the Jamaican circle. My point is that we have become to vulnerable. We are known as a docile people, a people who will go above and beyond even to letting our greatest enemy be at peace with us.
We all need to wake up and start taking the necessary actions, against these persons who are raping our countries resources, by whatever means deemed necessary.
CNS: Have you heard if its true about the Kirk freeport robbery?
I would pay to see the escape on that one – yesterday I noticed their security guard was armed with a German Shepherd – and we know they LOVE fast food… Run robba run!!
If this and other crimes are indeed being committed by foreign nationals, our immigration policies and procedures are failing us drastically.
Yup – or is it that the policies are fine, but a failure to enforce them is what is screwing us?
The ignorance of some of the people posting on here is amazing to me. So tell me, how does a Jamaican look? Are there not white Jamaicans, Asian Jamaicas etc? Just as there are Caymanians. Do yourselves a favor and keep quiet if our commens are s foolish as this.
At the end of the day, what does it matter what nationality they are? Plenty of Caymanians are causing crimes. Get voer it people. We Caymanians are not all God-fearing, holy, non-sinners.
True – and they may not be – but if you want to know how a Jamaican looks, my best suggestion is look at the photos – and it is nothing to do with race. Can you not tyell the difference between a white American and a white Englishman getting off a cruise ship?
Not by looking, no, of course not. But an american accent would point to someone being American. And an English accent would point to him being English. These men had Jamaican accents and some posters are getting upset becuase because people are suggesting that they are Jamaican.
Sorry – but I can generally spot the difference between an Englisman and an American getting off a cruise ship. They dress differently, they comport themselves differently, they interact differently, they eat differently… subtle distintions – but if you had lived in both countries you could tell too.
Unfortunately having a narrow mind and limited inteligence like yourself you would only be able to think like this. You have probably never seen an Englishman get off a cruiseship, but if you had they would look the same as the ugly, badly dressed americans we see around Georgetown. You unfortunately are comparing a badly dressed, brash American tourist to the typical Englishmen you see around Georgetown, who are mostly accountants and lawyers and probably quite well spoken and polite. Any idiot could tell the Englishmen and the tourists apart.
I have worked extensively in the US and UK and whilst it is quite often possible to guess somebody’s nationality by their dress etc. I buy my clothes in the US but that doesn’t make me American.
If I was going to rob a store I wouldn’t wear my own clothes or speak in my own voice. I would probably try to dress, sound and even walk differently to give adeceiving appearance.
Your stereotyping is exactly what a criminal would want you to think.
It couldn’t have been an Englishman as they weren’t drinking tea, it couldn’t have been Americans because they weren’t wearing sock/sandal combinations, they couldn’t have been Jamaican becuase they didn’t have dreads and carrying bongs. They certainly weren’t Caymanian because they weren’t eating KFC nor carrying their bibles, and of course they wouldn’t be robbing stores because crime is a full time job and they’d have probably called in sick that day.
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It is a known fact that people dress, look, speak and even act with cultural influences. You know this to be a fact as well. Hopefully you do not need examples such as Jamaican like their national flag colours for example, Jews are often seen with their skullcaps or yarmulke and arabs with their turbines.
In this case why is this imporatnt you ask…well certainly it helps in detecting or identifying people. Would that not be a relevant step in this case?
At the end of the day, why does it matter what nationality they are, you ask again. Honestly, where have you been? With the on-going debates with unemployment, status, work permits – social issues surely you can see the relevance.
That aside…again the obvious would be to detect or apprehend the criminal in this case. This would aid in identifying where they hang out, associate with and even movements.
To those people who cannot see why Jamaican would be presumed than say the honduran or other nationalities in the local context, well they are the largest expat community in teh CI now. They have also clearly been involved with crime in this country. When the story broke last week I identified facts of this truth:
Evidence:
1) the recent death – a jamaican national
2) the murder of Jazzy B – a Jamaican
3) the murder of teh canadian man in beach bay – alleged honduran national that was acquitted. Although I take his acquittal seriously, the written judgement leaves a cloud that there could have been a possibility and for all intent and purposes, technicalities caused a non-conviction.
4) the ganja busts with the Caymanian AND JAMAICANS on-board.
5) the JAMAICAN who was visiting his mother in the summer and christmas and convicted for some 20+ buglaries after being caught and fingerprinted.
6) Stolen goods found in bulk that were packaged for shipping admitted by RCIPS in the papers
7) Quick Cash Robbed- a known business frequented by trancient workers, mostly Jamicans. As I mentioned before, as I caymanian I did not even know what quick cash look liked inside.
8) Picante…what is this? A themed night that sounds spanish (I thinkit means hot)…likely frequented by many but likely most the trancient workers, mostly of latin origins.
9) Security firms being called to get properly licensed by RCIPS…mostly trancient workers work in them. They get first hand knowledge on movement of money etc.
I could go on but the point can be drawn from these references. The writings are on the wall. We would be foolish to ignore it.
Add one more 10) the alleged murderers of Mrs. Estella Scott-Roberts – Jamaican.
Finally, this leaves one more point that needs to be made and that is your comment: Plenty of Caymanians are causing crimes. Get voer it people. Well that is not easy to do, at least in my case and I suspect most Caymanians, for the following reason…and I gave this reason as a response to those who were saying the same thing last week when the story broke:
Finally, to all those persons who talk about Caymanians committing crimes as a reason to not identfiy others, I wish to say the following: I have always said and will maintain…I have a serious problem when my Caymanians commit crimes that seek to destroy our way of life and our very existence as a people; I especially want to know what would motivate them to do this. We are a small nation of people with very similar external/communal influences, so it bothers me on a personal level as to why they would want to do this to their homeland. However, they are Caymanians…and they are at home. So, I will have to deal with them….I do not however, care to deal with any GUEST WORKER or similiar who comes as GUEST to my country and want to bring their own communal MO for raping, killing and stealing and do it here! I make no apologies for taht. It is one thing for a family to have a loud dispute in your family home….it is another thing for a guest – peering in from the roadside to interject and add to the mess going on in your home. I think none of us would want this. It is the same here for me. Plain and simple.
Just think how hard it is not getting any praise or appreciation in your job and times that by ten for the RCIP…Can you imagine how it make them feel to be disregarded, disrespected and made to feel so worthless?
Any heros out there wanna run into the criminals that have the guns and risk your own lives? What is the RCIP suppose to do? Fight them off bare handed? Their priority in these instances is to protect their own lives FIRST, do what they can do to protect the public and try to get the criminals off the street..but if all we do is sit flat our asses and complain and never make any valuable contribution in society or this forum and tear them down..we must be on the criminalsside!
Come on people, give thanks and praise where it is worth,The RCIP is trying and you have to give them credit for that.
That is so true.
We have to understand that they (RCIPS) are limited to making certain decisions. They are not allowed to carry guns or ceratin weapons because the Commissioner won’t allow it.
If i was a police officer and read all these comments from my own people-how bad do you think i would feel, just put yourself in their shoes for one day.
They might not use common sense all the time (as common sense is not so common nowadays) but respect is still due.
Peace and love:)
I heard that the two men were arrested yesterday. Say they went in to the immigration to get more time and was recognized and apprehended.
CNS: Can you confirm this?
CNS: We haven’t heard so. I’ll ask.
I heard this too. I also heard that the small shoe shop by the chicken hut on shedden road get robbed the other night and the police apprehended the culprit(s). This being the case, they needto inform us so we get to see some of the positive results too. I also heard Kirk Freeport got hit today.
But I hear a lot, and a lot of it turns out to be untrue… so I’ll sit… and wait and see whether any of this reaches the news.
‘According to reports, the 2 men were recognized by the immigration officer because they were wearing the same clothes as those pictured on the closed-circuit TV cameras that captured their images outside Margaritaville…'(Arrests made at Immigration, Oct. 23, 2009, Caymanian Compass)
‘The two suspects committed the armed robbery last Friday, Oct. 16 and made of with an undisclosed amount but was believed to be in excess of $20,000.00.
Makes me wonder why they were still wearing the same clothes five days later – what with $20,000 between them, least they could do was buy a new suit. Must be pretty stinky by the time they were arrested.
Must be the dumbest criminal ever, don’t they ever read?
And the gall to go ask for extension of stay!!! Paradise indeed!
Have the police checked with the money transfer agencies to see if they have transferred any monies in large sums? Just a thought! Or alerted the public to note persons spending greatly. But I suppose being the businesses are so hungry for money in these economic times, they dont have time to question the money. Sad sad sad..
I Too would like to know if this was done? Because if the answer is no!!!!
Then the ones investigating this crime need to go back to class!!!!
So for now I am going to assume that this was the first part of the investigation being carried out.
Why is it that the police is only now releasing these photos? How far can these robbers reach in all those days that have passed with $20K? good Luck RCIP! Next time please release images a little earlier… these people could be in timbucktoo right about now. What kind of response from the public do you all expect? I suppose you will have some kind of lead in 5-6 days? Fair enough! You had a better chance of catching these criminals if you had released these photos on that very day… I dont remember what I wore to work yesterday, much less last week friday.. Step it up!
I think it’s ridiculous that people are assuming they are Jamaican.
Just because these types of crime are rampant in Jamaica?
Just because they look Jamaican?
Just because they speak with Jamaican accents?
They could just as easily be Hungarian or Vietnamese………….
What a laugh Hungarian or Vietnamese. You need bifocals my friend. If they spoke with a Jamaican accents and look like Jamaicans chances are they are Jamaicans!
Did someone miss the point??
I think the writer was being sarcastic.
Whatever they are, sure they are partying and enjoying all the publicity and fame….not to mention the money.
"I think it’s ridiculous that people are assuming they are Jamaican.
Just because these types of crime are rampant in Jamaica?
Just because they look Jamaican?
Just because they speak with Jamaican accents?
They could just as easily be Hungarian or Vietnamese…………."
Are you serious ? This is possibly one of the most idiotic comments I have ever read. Do yourself a favour and think before you speak…or type…
Irie Dread said de lickle white bwoy…
Unna free copy of Sarcasm for Dummies is in the mail!!!
Hint: think sarcasm.
I have a problem with this picture; the description given of the two men to the public shortly after the robbery does not fit what these guys are wearing in these pictures. Did the guys changed their clothing when they got into Magaritaville. Could it be that someone diliberately gave the wrong description so that the perpitrators could escape undetected. I suggest the police start asking more questions of the employees of business – they may know more than we think.
Just my observation.
I like your way of thinking….am on-board with that.
Brilliant observation…you are quite right!
Sometimes we don’t see the forest for the trees….it makes sense that someone is helping these people!
unno feel no way but they dress and look like black Latinoes, yardies dont dress like that!
All previous point made are good valid points, but what about Fingerprinting every body on their point of entry, into these Islands in the future. Finger print everyone on Work Permit, everyone visiting and everyone over the age of 13 in these Islands and maintain a data bank connected with the world data Bank and trust me you will get a shocker on the amount of criminals we are harbouring on these 3 Islands here. We are fingerprinted everytime we enter the United States,Europe, Canada and elsewhere, so then everyone coming here should start getting accustomed to the same here. Immigration I urge you to please Invest in your Country, by fingerprinting everyone.
The Law already requires fingerprinting all work permit holders. Guess we do not enforce that one either.
Well all I can say is: last week when this story broke I sent mycomments relevant to my feelings and insight on how this did not add-up for me on many fronts.
I talked about the disregard for our tourism industry as a first red-flag for me relevant to the mind-set behind committing this crime. I said it before, as a native Caymanian, I believe I have a fairly good handle on our way of thinking as a people. We all come from similair communal influences and experiences. From we are knee high, we are told about the visitors and the importance of the Tourism Industry to the country’s stability and I found this crime’s MO totally counter to all we have been taught. I am not that naive to think it could not happen but I was hard pressed to believe it.
I went on to mention because of this, my belief that there are expat/guest workers in our community who are commiting crimes. I especially zoomed in on the evidence/facts that supports this especially for the Jamaicans living in our country. Some attemted to twist my words and I was called xenophobic and the likes…..well as the photo clearly depicts without one shadow of a doubt, at least in my mind, that these two gentlemen are NOT Caymanian and if they are would be a new status caymanian which is why they are not familiar.
The writings are clearly on the wall and so now I will suggest to Comm. Baines once again, if that 15 identified persons were just Caymanian, you had best draw that circle a lil-bigger now or dont walk with blinders on at the crime scenes.
They spoke in a Jamaican accent guys…there was a latin (Picante) the night before…now Mr. Baines, can you please add the pressure and flames to these communities as a response to the evidence.
Thanks CNS for trying to help us see who these two are.
Just one more of many examples that Crime Pays. Look out all you (private)businesses. If your not next your at least on the list.
If one Gunman was shot by a police man in the act of robbing someone would that be considered Deterent?
If one gunman was sentencent to death for killing someone would that be considered deterent? And I mean like within a couple of months. Not three years of court and 3 million dollars later.
If one Gunman was killed by a homeowner defending his home and family would that be considered a deterent?
I don’t think that any crimanal with a gun on Cayman is afraid of anything or anyone. Or ever will be.
I think they are MI6 agents…of WI background hehehe
It’s hard to say where these two come from,lately i’ve come into contact with blacks from Rotan,Bonnaca and La Cieba Honduras. Many of these people have Caymanian names such as Bodden,Mclean,Hinds and Powery and their accents are very similiar to our own Caymanian accent, most of these black Honduran foreparents were Caymanian slaves that migrated to the Bay Islands starting in the late 1830’s, moreover it’s easier to get $20,000 on a fishing boat than on an airplane.We have to start looking at all possibilities, just because these two are black some will quickly jump to say that they must be Jamaicans, deadly mistake!Today in Cayman there are people from all over the world,people of African origin in Cayman come from areas such as the following:Belize,Honduras,Nicaragua,Panama,Colombia(San Andres),Cuba,Jamaica,Dominican Republic and other Caribbean countries such as ST.Vincent, Antigua,Guyana, Trinidad and Barbados.These two could also be Caymanians, they could also come from Haiti by way of Jamaica(in Jamaican canoe loaded with guns).Law abiding Caymanians and residents must come together to fight this evil before it consumes us all, just don’t jump to accuse one nationality.I am a born Caymanian and am very concern about crime in our little island, lets stop blaiming a certain nationality for every criminal act to take place in Cayman,it’s time to open our eyes and realize that this is not the 1970’s that had 3 or 4 diffrent nationalities,today’s Cayman has many,many diffrent nationalities.I hope all CNS readers will have an open mind and that some will change from their one track mind ways.Have a nice day!
I asked my friend who worked there, and I was told that these two DEFINATELY spoke with a Jamaican Accent! To the Police you were too slow releasing these pictures, they are long gone from this Island! (My opinion) To Immigration, you need to start cracking down on these people who take out permits for so and so just to help them???? These people come here and DUH! they have to send home money, but if they have no work what do you think they will do? start with these so call LABOR BROKERS in the construction industry, they are the bigest cause of this racket… they also import cheap labor to replace the Caymanian Construction worker, Oh you know what why dont we import some more people to do Immigration job..lol..
Fed up in case your little mind did not know here is some info…………People from Cayman,Bluefields Nicaragua and Colon, Panama can easily chat Patwa.Get it?
That’s right, resort to name calling. Way to unite and fight for a cause.
As I said before, it is not racist, it’s factual. If they were Caymanians speaking Patois, it would sounds forced; if there were Nicaraguans or Panamians then you would hear a prominent Hispanic twang to it because obviously, they are not of high education (due to the simple nature of the crime & lack of cover). Yes, I know Nicaraguans in particular that when speaking with Jamaican’s they speak a form of "Patois" – however it can be very easily distinguished from the real Jamaican Patois. One thing to check would be how long the affected employees have been on the island & therefore what level of exposure have they had to these cultures in question. Drive them down Eastern Ave & ask them if the persons spoke like anything they hear there. :o)
And for the second time, if they were Caymanian then we would already know who their identity, mostly due to the fact that they would be recognised & also because Caymanians love to chat.
Dear Rasta,
They are what they are and we have to admit that the risk involved in having certaining people in Cayman is much higher. If crime in their native country is high and that’s what they are used to as a society it’s more likely that they might engage in such activity. Those are the facts and explain why the authorities in many jurisdictions profile people from certain countries when it comest to criminal or terrorist activity.
Have a look at post-Sept. 11th measures if you need proof of this. So there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging where they are from and that much of the crime in Cayman comes from that country including most of the drugs and guns being imported.
Now, I think they may even be coming here on a visitor’s visa and carrying out these actions and then returning home. How’s that for a job? a $20k payday in 15 minutes would be worth it for many.
Why did the RCIPS take so long to release these photos?
ALL WHITE ????????
Look Moron nobody said there were not any black Caymanians but those two men on the video are definitely not Caymanians. I am very sorry if that disappoints you.
Says who? Maybe they were recipients of the ill-advised status grants which are now coming back to bite us in the preverbial.
poster @ 09:14 i would like to meet you cause you seem to possess mystical and supernatural powers.I need some help from you, lately bad luck have been coming my way and it finally seems we have a Caymanian who is fully qualified to perform witchcraft.You are so positve and sure that the two robbers are not Caymanians,boy you must make nuff money cause im sure lots people come to you for help.If you do not possess these great powers to know that the two robbers are not Caymanians then my friend you are worse then a moron! (please im begging you, don’t try and harm me thru my computer).
Post (10:46) the only help or advice i could give you is to keep of the crack!
Yes I am positive and sure that those two are not Caymanians. I think Most Caymanians agree to this. The great powers I possess is good common sense unlike you.
Well then, if they are Caymanians, it should not take any time to identify them then! All Caymanians have "plenty relatives" so…come on people!! Are they your sons? nephews? cousins? or….now I am sure they are no longer Caymanians…right? maybe they are Hungarians…like someone else suggested….we all know that Caymanians don’t commit any crimes…they are always committed by these hateful expats that clutter up these lovely islands not leaving room for its own people….hmmmm, naughty expats!
Joe you need to lay of whatever you are smoking. You make absolutely no sense. The photos are of 2 black males so what is your point? There are criminals of every race and color in the world. You really seem like a lunatic !
To my knowledge, the cctv at the airport has never worked since Ivan. You would have to check with CAL to confirm this. If indeed it was working, then of course, there would be an opportunity to cross-reference and compare.
How many people working in these critical jobs are really qualified? Does CAL have a Security Director?
If he/she exists, does the Security Director have a working relationship with the IT Director? Do they discuss these things? Or are they just blowing smoke? Is there any money for these initiatives or is it just a series of empty promises at thenext Board Meeting and everyone goes home with warm and fuzzy feelings?
Perhaps someone should do an FOI request?
What does the CIAA have to say about this? Can CNN get a statement on the state of affairs at the airport regarding the effectiveness of the CCTV systems.
Does Immigration have information to offer? Do they have CCTV?
What does the LOGB have to say about CCTV at such a critical area. Perhaps he could solicit the opinion of qualified individuals/companies who can guarantee results.
The technology is certainly out there and government have some excellent IT staff. How about an across-the-board think-tank with all the smart people in the same room?
How about these intellectuals explain to the people of these islands exactly what they plan to do and how we can help?
If we fail to act, we will always get the short end of the stick.
Get real! People working critical jobs just have to be Caymanian. They certainly don’t have to be intellecuals and so far its been working great.
Its just an Airport. What can happen?
what will be interesting in this case is this:
1. lets assume these are ‘foreigners’ as every caymanian is so sure of
2. are they gainfully employed?(probably not)
3. who is holding their permit?
dont want to get ahead of it here, but if indeed these guys are foreigners, here on permits but without jobs, i trust immigration will track down the dirty ‘fake’ permit holder and throw them in jail along with these foreign scumbags.
Rasta,
I am assuming that you are not Caymanian. What you have to understand is that there are so few Caymanians left on this island that they know what a Caymanian looks like. More than likely, they’ll probably know who they’re related to as well. If they were in fact Caymanian, the perps would have been caught already because word would’ve gotten out who they mama is.
Bless.
P.S. Don’t get it twisted, I am Caymanian, & proud of it.
Rasta – no need to ‘assume’ here – we Caymanians know Caymanians! You need to remember there’s not that many of us making up this 60,000 plus population – believe you me, we can spot an expat a mile away – and more than likely we can tell where they from too!
Really? You must have mystic powers. Caymanians come in all complexions, builds etc. As do every group of people. We live in a very diverse and mixed society. You can’t simply look at someone any more and assume they are X, Y or Z. Why is it that if you are not light skinned or dress a certain wy that you can’t be Caymanian? Grow up fools.
I’m English and for some reason I am constantly mistaken for Canadian!
Ex-Pat I feel your pain
I’m Canadian always mistaken for an American !
not that there is anything wrong with that,I just go oot and aboot and miss my Tim Hortons Double Double 3 times a day 🙂
CJ
That’s just because your both cheap!!! Nothing to do with looks!!
I have just enhanced the images with a program I have. Just as everybody thought, but nobody wanted to say :
I beleive these guys are Canadian. I think they may be accountants or possibly lawyers.
We have to start getting rid of these people, they are creating havoc on our little island.
You are wrong, I asked Banana Bin Liner and he says they are British MPs
Yes, you are right – I personally drove them to the airport to catch the BA flight last night. Tickets bought using government account – sent them first class to keep their cover as "businessmen"…
Yep, they are everyone else except who they obviously are.
If the crime scene was properly secured and not contaminated, finger and palm prints would be available on the "stairwell railings" for both criminals as indicated on the photographs.
I wonder if our local Scenes of Crime Officers dusted for prints at this location or perhaps they "don’t pay attention to detail as it’s not their strength anymore"
Duh !!!
the second guy without the polo shirt has a hat with a 5 on it…
the guy with the polo has a picture of a face on his hat!!! i used my mac to try and see…
And he may have used his Mac to get him status.
The brazenness of this robbery is what has me most concerned. What would the “White Cap” bandits have done if a police man (car) had been in the area that morning? Would there have been a shoot-out on the waterfront?
If I was a betting person, based on the make up of our society, I would thinkthese two men are Jamaicans based on the photos published. If its true as has been reported that they escaped with $20K my suggestion, while almost a week later would be the following;
Pull the Cayman Airways flight manifest since last Friday heading toJamaica
I’m not going to bash the RCIP, because I’m certain that will not help with any of the crime issues that we are currently facing. Furthermore, if as a country we REALLY wanted to do something about this and other issues facing our society, we would call, email, visit, text, BB msg and damn near harass our elected officials. These are the people we need to put the pressure on and get them to work/concentrate on this issue just as much as they do the economy. We can talk about building docks, roads, piers, larger channels, welcoming more expats etc, but if this place we call the Cayman Islands ends up with a crime issue like some of our neighbors in the region, I am of the opinion it will all be for NOT!
Side note:
What must the developers of the really large brown hotel on 7MB and the large multi use center/development behindGallery Plaza
Just to throw the bait out – I am a Caymanian so just putting in my two cents – people from Honduras and Cuba (just to name a few) are also dark skinned – we do have quite a bit of them living on the island as well – maybe check out the Honduras and Cuba flight (not sure what days the airline runs)
Fights to honduras runs saturdays, and the one to Cuba is on Wednesday and Sunday (I belief) and you’re right they need to look at every possibilities.
I wrote the above comments, but after some more thinking – who is to say that the two guys are not from our island – we do have dark skinned people as well. I personally dont recognise them but then again I dont know everyone from this island – they could also be mixed with another nationality. Quite honestly they along with the other robbers and murderers just need to be caught and punished
LOL. Are you serious? School yourself and educate yourself my friend. Ignorance is bliss. There are dark skinned people of EVERY nationality in theCaribbean. Not just a few countries. What you are suggesting is basically racial profiling.
Why is it that most locals that post on here happen to be the ignorant and foolish ones? Why can’t this forum attract ones with helpful comments?
– An embarassed Caymanian.
my goodness nearlya week later!! Thanks CNS. I can safely say these men are not local/Caymanian. Most of us, as least I do think I have a fair handle on the locals in our community.
I cannot believe it took this long to release these photos.
Glad to know that Cayman is so small that you know every single one of its inhabitants. Just strengthens the idea that we Caymanians hide the locals that do commit murders, rapes and robberies and do absolutely nothing to aid our own police force. Please, small minded comments like yours only makes us look silly.
It would have been better for the business owners to have installed better quality cameras and place them in locations where glare would not effect the quality of images. The quality of these pictures is so cheap and completely useless.
Perhaps the police should sit down with the witnesses and review the pictures (including zooming the pictures) to see if any details can emerge that they may have forgotten. They could then feed these additional details to the many who so desperately want to help solve this crime.
On zooming the pictures, the cap on the one in shorts (I’ll call him Afro-Caribbean looking for the sake of political correctness) seems to be the number "6", but could also be "5", "S", or even "3" when written with a flat top.
The other "suspect’s" cap appears to have what looks like some sort of law enforcement logo. Also, as the picture is zoomed, the one in the striped shirt takes on a more Afro/Latin/Caribbean look than what he seems to be in the normal size photo. There is also the remote possibility that what I assume to be light shining through the bamboo slats onto his right arm could be a bandaid. It’s in the exact spot that I have one when I give blood. If the witness remembers a bandaid, then scour every medical outlet to get names of anyone requesting blood work the previous day.
We can solve this!!!!! Let’s make it a big score for CNS.
Cayman’s Dumbest Criminals!
No Masks, no gloves – All they were short of doing is leaving a home address – why havent they been caught yet??
They haven’t been caught yet (& therefore are so brazen as to practically look the camera in the eye – watch the tubby one) because they know that more than likely nothing will happen to them. They are jumping on the bandwagon of those realising that this country (colony?) has lax repercussions for criminals & therefore are willing to take the risk.
For people who get vexed that Caymanians (and others) insist they are Jamaicans: it’s not racism, it’s factual. I am not saying that every Jamaican in this country is a thief, not at all – I have Jamaican friends that are near & dear to me & would tell them everything written here to their face(s) – but I am saying that if you just follow the news, it will soon be apparent that majority of the thefts (and I venture to say ~99.2% of rapes) are committed by members of this nationality or descent. There are a lot of Jamaicans on this island, and with that swelling number, one has to expect that a few societal ‘bad apples’ will be found in the insular barrel. A little digression on a similar note, why are there not more Filipinos (the #1 largest ethnic group presently) showing up on security cameras flashing guns & knives?
Perhaps I am showing my naïveté, but is anyone focusing on figuring out where the guns/weapons are coming from? Oh, wait… yes, it’s all coming back to me now, hasn’t it been documented that there is a thriving gun-ganja trade existing between Jamaica & Haiti? Haiti gives Jamaica guns in exchange for (awesome) ganja. Hmm.. sorry, but even more factual evidence stacking up there. Again, all you have to do is type in ‘Caribbean gun trade’ in a Google search and voilà – therein the answer lies. Yes, there is a significant gun trade occurring in Trinidad & Tobago, but the numbers of them in this country are miniscule in comparison. (FYI: There was a write up in the Observer not too long ago about the threads of these trades.)
Well, now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, it is my opinion that it is only a matter of time before shop owners take matters into their own hands and start ‘packing some heat’ of their own. That is when the real trouble will start. If my establishment has been consistently targeted, you betcha I’ll make attempts to scare the marinas off their scrawny torsos.
By the way, what percentage of the RCIPS is composed of Jamaicans? Could that have anything to do with the lack of cases being solved involving members of their same nationality – a type of loyalty? Hey, Britain sends over its elite anti-corruption mombo-jombo & even they couldn’t resist… why not persons who have a fraction of the wealth of those officers? Rumours of police corruption abound & based on this simple reasoning, it is plain to see why these rumours exist (whether they hold water or not.. I’m not intricately involved enough with the RCIPS to say – they just give me parking tickets).
Food for thought: for everyone (and, yes, I am included in this pool) who is complaining about the lack of cases being solved, lack of motivation (particularly Mr. Glazed Donut Joker), etc…. how about 1/3 of us – even that would be a whopping number – join the force? We’re all trying to tell them how to do their jobs anyway.
Congrats RCIPS .. Another one caught.. keep up the good work !!!
Dont u guys get it ? these guys probably got the flight to Jamaica the next day thats why they can show their faces DUUUUUHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Possibly even recent casualties of the rollover policy.
Aaah. Why didnt we think of it before – eliminate the rollover policy and eliminate crime by disgruntled expats being asked to leave!
Only goes to show that absolutely anything and everything can be blamed on the ‘rollover policy’.
Criminals are safe. The policy of the RCIP is "catch and release"!
It is too bad it took so long for photos to come out. They should publish
photos for any suspected criminal as soon as they have them.
These guys are pretty sure of themselves not to even bother to hide
their faces…
Agreed! It took 5 days for these photos to be released to the public!! Are we expected to remember a couple of guys with caps and stripe shirts five days ago?
If the police want the public to assist, then they need to react quicker and get suspect information out immediately while information may still be fresh in a witness’ mind.
Can someone confirm what it takes for someone to be arrested on more than a mere suspicion? The atricle above states that a 46 year old man was found inside a store which had the metal bars removed from a back window…and that he was arrested for "suspicion of burgulary"…Lets be relaistic – why else would he have let himself in by means of removing burgular bars???
CNS: He is referred to as a suspect until he has been charged, no matter how incriminating the circumstances were when he was arrested.
Stop blaming the RCIP, they are working hard to help solve the rising crimes. Some of you are so ungrateful, no matter what they do they will never be able to satisfy everyone. Hopefully these two pieces of trash will be caught and justice will be served, too bad Northward Prison is only a "getaway for a while".
Is that an AL Thompson shopping bag? If it is maybe we can get a better angle of these men from their cameras.
From these photos both men held on the rails as they went up the stairway. I hope "dusting" for fingerprints were done.
that’s a very good point.
CNS these would be good pics if we had the ability to zoom – are you able to provide better pics we can click on to enlarge and see the suspects clearly? I appreciate they probably came from security cameras and this is the best we can get but I don’t know unless I ask!!
Thanks in advance 🙂
CNS: I’ve enlarged the first one and posted it again at the bottom. The quality is very bad. I’ve zoomed in and tried to sharpen but I can’t make it any clearer than it is in the smaller pix. I’ll email them to anyone who’s interested (nickywatson@caymannewsservice.com)
Thanks Nicky – the pics have just made their way to me by email but I cannot get them any clearer either. Its a shame though as it seems to me, particularly with the man with the striped shirt, that the pics of the men on the steps, if they could just be sharpened and enlarged a bit – could be sufficient to identify the suspects.
I really hope they are caught.
Unfortunately many of the security cameras installed in businesses are not high resolution, so that when they are zoomed or enlarged in Photoshop, they become pixilated. I would recommend that High resolution cameras be installed in ‘Key" areas of the premisis, or the police will simply say the picture is not clear enough.
And No…I am not a security system salesperson, just a victim of burglary and shoplifting.
Are these all the photos or where did the police place the photos on their website?
CNS: These are all the police sent us. There doesn’t seem to be any more on the RCIPS website.
You are absolutely right. They can probably be easily identified by the Logo on their caps, which would seem to be a common sense observation not one which requires high levels of training!
Why would they be easilty identified by the logo on their caps? Anyone can wear any cap with any logo from anywhere.
How can they be easily identified by the logo on their caps? Anybody can wear any cap with any logo from anywhere. Perhaps the caps were stolen too…….
They could be "one of a kind" logos or work caps which could narrow them down.
In addition to descriptions, how about some close ups with higher resolution?
Apparently this new think called "technology" makes this available…
You have been watching too much TV my friend, that "think called technology" you refer to cannot just magically make extra pixels – unless you are a Hollywood director.
Want to catch these guys??? Then release these photos to the Jamaican media, and the Jamaican police with a little reward. this is your best chance.
Whay do they say "dark complexion". A Spanish or Italian person has a dark complexion. Are we so politically correct here now that the police won’t say ‘black’ or ‘white’
This is nothing to do with political correctness. They couldn’t be Spanish or Italian…or any other nationality for that matter? As with the forty shades of green, there are many shades of ‘black’ and ‘white’……
I agree that it’s political correctness. Someone can be white or black or Asian or Hispanic – and still be light or dark complexion. Someone’s ‘complexion’ has nothing to do with their race, and someone’s race (like it or not) is pretty important when giving a description.
Huh?
It is a criminal offense to refer to anyones complexion as black.
In the USA they are referred to as African Americans. No matter if they are american or not. If a white person calls his shoes black in the USA he is likely to be accused of being racist.
Not an offence here. Not Racist – and the guys in the pictures are almost certainly neither African or American (or Caymanian for that matter).
Can we all just grow up and be realistic and honest – and provide whatever descriptions need to be provided in as frank a manner as possible so that the public can stand the greatest chance of helping to identify the culprits – whether they be blue, orange, or have purple spots.
We are not in the USA andif they black – they black!
Well done to publish these criminals’ photo taken from video of the place they robbed. They will begin to look over their shoulders and realize that there is really no place to hide.
Surrender yourself now to police and expect prison time.
If only prison time here was ‘real’ prison time…
Someone please tell me why the police waited SO long to release this photo? In most places it would be on the evening news, here it seems that the RCIPS love to let the criminals take the money and leave the island before pursuing them.
There is no logical explanation on waiting to release this photo, none other than ignorance.
I wonder the same thing why has it taken so long for them to release these photos. If it is true and they made of with the amount of $20,000 I am sure they have left the Island by now. Those two are definitely not Caymanians.
was flights checked shortly after the robbery ? they can be still. GOES TO SHOW THAT CAMERAS IS VERY HELPFUL.
Good business for some folks. Good idea for Government to invest in a
few sub Stations with high quality cameras and less Police . George
Town should certainly have at least two Sub Stations with cameras
properly manned.
This dosent require the normal expensive buildings. Infact until
Government can afford to build some simple buildings could be rented .