Skeletal remains discovered

| 29/01/2010

(CNS): Updated Saturday 10:30am. Police have confirmed that skeletal remains of a male have been found on recently cleared land in the area of Bobby Thompson Way, George Town. A call was made to the police on Friday afternoon, 29 January, at around 3:40 when the bones were found in a wooded area by an individual who was working on the land, which has been substantially overgrown for several years. A police spokesperson said that initial investigations suggest that the decomposed remains have been there for a number of years and the RCIPS has now launched an enquiry.

Police said it was still to early to draw any conclusions over the man’s death but they are now reviewing historic missing person files to try and ascertain the identity of the deceased. Police wereunable to confirm how the bones will be dated and by whom.

 

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  1. Anonymous says:

    That indian everyone is mentioning is Jovel aka "Jungle Book". It cant be that hard to determine. If his teeth is still intact and one of them is uneven then it is him. I know of him because we went to church together .

  2. Just Askin says:

    Could this be Captain Eugene? Or has anyone heard from him recently?

    • Tingum says:

      Hahahahaha….now that is funny!!! What a waste of Cayman’s dollars that one is!!! A real sad joke!!!!

  3. Anonymous9 says:

    It doesn’t take long to make a skeleton. I’m sure everyone has googled it by now;

    a corpse lying out in the open and exposed to lofty temperatures and humidity can become completely skeletonized by as few as 10 daysto a month, at the most.

    and another;

    Left outside surrounded by warm or hot weather, an full-grown corpse typically becomes a skeleton within two to four weeks.

    So, they don’t have to be old bones. And there are lots of variables, but the above is a good indication.

    RIP

  4. Anonymous says:

    Is it a pirate?

     

    Is there any gold?

     

    If he has a gold grill I call keepsies!

  5. Anonymous says:

    I will likely be nothing more than just a skeleton myself, by the time this case is solved!

  6. "Anointed One" says:

    Have the local authorities secured the piece of rope to be tested for DNA evidence?

    • Police a long time ago says:

      Yea right! them fools dunno bout all that!!

      • Anonymous says:

        What about dental  and Medical X-Ray records to identify the person.. Checking for injuries, or surgery indicators.

        If they want to solve these crimes, they can. they just don’t want to because big shots are behind most of these hits.

        Cayman has some rated vampires living here that will suck your blood, what a dangerous place to live.

        They must be some damned marines, or a James Bond, taking people out without a trace.  We have professional hit men living in the Cayman iIslands and this is very scarey.  These Hit men make Keither Sutherland of 24 look like an alter boy.  They do a clean job.  We can not tolerate this and we demand that the governor please find a police force and a police commissioner that can tackle these criminals.  BRING BACK DEREK HAINES.

        Governor Taylor, please bring back Derek Haines, this is too much for Little Baines.   Baines can not handle these kind of hard core criminals. You as the Governor  need to feel safe as well, and shuld be concerned just like the rest of us. So what are you waiting on. Make Derek Haines an offer he can not refuse. Come on now, noth of you are two English men, make a deal with him. Make him the commissioner of Police, not reporting to McKeeva but reporting to you the governor. Citizens need protection from these vicious murderers  before more tradgedy happens. We can’t take it anymore. As the new governor you should at least make sure we are safe.

         

         

         

         

         

         

  7. au revoir says:

    adding to what Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 01/31/2010 – 14:11.  stated…

    there are those in Cayman society, the select few who hold real power, who have no interest whatsoever in an incorruptible, efficient, well-managed, and capable police force and judiciary.  can you imagine what would happen to them if the police force and the judiciary was staffed by capable members who had an interest in catching some real thieves.  the less effective the police and judiciary are, the easier it is for them to carry out their "business", whatever it may be…

  8. Da detective says:

    Oh yes How the Mighty have fallen, gone are the days of the withering heights of the illfated  Political Caymanian High Command and their "Strategic Overviews" we are now reduced to "Open Minds" and interrogation of Cameras and not SUSPECTS to solve crime. Yes Shaun old boy you were right ,we got played. The Colonials are back incharge and reinforce by foreign police their local inept and corrupt henchmen got their positions. They are now telling us the public its our fault for not helping them. Mr Baines is playing the old Motown Hit by the Temptations "its just our Imagination" running away with us. Just a game mate just a terrible game that Caymanian lives are being loss in. They fail understand that, the unjust shall not go unpunished. May all those innocent and not innocent victims rest in eternal peace at least they are not here in this Gangsta Paradise suffering.

  9. Gg says:

    You may have a interesting point anon 14:11 as it does looks  or it appears that the dismantling of the RCIPS ability to solve crimes seems to have been orchestrated by certain troubling elements within theservice I draw the conclusions from its inability to reachout to capable former officers for assistance. This animosity is clearly exhibited in some of the responses. Mr Baines seems to have inherited very incapable and incompetent people which is going to reflect badly on him and his time here. RCIPS seems to have lost more than experienced copppers. I have seen the Caymanian senior leadership who are advising Mr Baines very troubling indeed.

  10. Anonymous says:

     Why does it appear certain officials have now decide to cover up crime .It is said that our ability to delude ourselves may be an important survival tool, well Cayman it appears that is what we are surviving on now delusions. When I saw the Hand picked panel that was convened to choose our new Commissioner of Police i realise where we were headed, now the honeymoon is over and reality has set in and we have found ourselves right back where we started crimewise with a new twist "Blame the public" is the only excuse they can come up with now, after we have paid for every whim of on their police wish list.

    Well Mr Baines you had done very little to resolve the corruption Issues plaguing the RCIPS but continue the status quo as many of your illustrious predecessors did. Hiring more foreign nationals is not going to solve the problem either but merely add or exacerbated the problem which is obviously evident now.

    Yes and all you hear from some of the delude members of our poor little society is give him a chance. Remember please he and his fellow senior police officers are collecting and drawing a tidy sum from our treasury and that is not by chance i can assure you.

    Please read the following to see if this looks familiar CORRUPTION: undermines political, social and economic stability it threatens security and damages trust and public confidence in systems which affect people’s daily lives although corruption frequently occurs at the local or national level its consequences are global, it hidden cost immense. Please bear in mind that you and the new governor’s courtship and frolicking with certain political and government elements in this society who are partly responsible for the crime problem will not go unnoticed

  11. Anonymous says:

    Reply to 7:43 yeah I remember the case that indian guy was from Windsor Park too. And I do recall hearing of him being found in jamaica floating this was maybe some 9 or 10 yrs ago.  Whoever it is I hope they can get it solved quickly. And if it is a foreigner like many of the other posts seem to suggest then why wouldint this person’s family/friends back home try to get in contact with him and after failure to do so contact our local authorities. It seems strange that nobody anywhere would realize that a person is missing for this length of time and wouldnt immigration realize that the person has potentially overstayed and conduct a search…I dunno just throwing things out there. It’s sad that that scent other posters speak of was never investigated as well…the scent of decomposition cannot be mistaken and should at least be looked into.

    • Anonymous says:

      If the police are unwilling to solve these crimes, we have somthing else to figure out and we may have the answer already. We just need to wake up and stop fooing ourselves.

      Why would the police not pursue solving a crime?  We keep blaming the crimes on the criminals, some in jail, some out of jail. But did you ever stop to think that maybe its not the known criminals committing them.

      I hope I’m wrong, but maybethe police are committing some of them and that’s the reason it appears in the public eye that they have no interest to pursue anyone, because they already know who’s doing the killing.

      Thats probably the reason they import foreign police to invstigate those already here !

      IT MAKES SENSE.

  12. au revoir says:

    1.  don’t bank on the police ever "solving" what happened to this unfortunate soul.  not when they can’t even figure out the perpetrator of a shooting that killed one person in a bar full of witnesses; and videotape to boot…  

    2.  if they determine that the person was murdered, a successful prosecution would be akin to a safe landing on the sun…

    3.  at best, they’ll figure out who this person may have been – that would be a miracle in itself…

  13. Anonymous says:

    Reply to 11:15 I remember that incident, I went to school with him. He was found floating in Black River…there was very little news coverage on the incident.

  14. Anonymous says:

    How come no mention of the "cord hanging from the tree"  as Cay Compass is reporting? Mess up a good scandal…?  Report facts and don’t incite controversy! 

  15. inside job says:

    every poster here has it wrong. there are tonnes of ‘missing’ persons here in cayman, so it can be one of hundreds.

    for example, it could be that guy (danian henry) that ran out of the police station about 6 months ago…

    or can be one of many hundreds of wanted criminals that seem to be missing.

  16. Richard Wadd says:

     It was probably over a year or so ago that there was the strong smell of decomp. in that area by the riding school stables.

     I remember it well, as I wondered if by chance one of the many goats that are often seen grazing around that area, had died in the bushes. The odor lingered for weeks.

     Assuming it isn’t a ‘local’ (someone would have missed him surely), then it probably isn’t too difficult to check Immigration records for persons who have entered and not left, and maybe persons on W.P. who have not renewed, yet not left the island ….. ?

     

     

  17. Anonymous says:

    I recall only two persons of East Indian heritage who have been reported missing over the past 20+ years. The first was related to the failure of a bank; he was later found dead in the Bahamas. The second was found hanged in Windsor Park, confirmed suicide because he had displayed depression, spoke of suicide and left a note. His body was repatriated.

     

    • Anonymous says:

      oh no, there was an Indian man that lived in that area & he went missing, threatening to kill himself, & it was in the Compass & local news for a couple of weeks. He has never resurfaced, so I would venture to say it is likely to be him. I think his family still lives in Cayman.

      • Anonymous says:

        Your post seems to have the most merit to it. Lets hope that they will begin investigation by bringing in an expert to decide how long the skeleton has been there. Then a DNA can be done on the nearest of kin. This is my humble suggestion which I HOPE WILL BE TAKEN.

    • Anonymous says:

      We all remember the First Cayman bank incident & the East Indian man that disappeared in the Bahamas because of what he knew (he knew too much XXXXXX). But that incident has nothing to do with the skeletal remains found off Bobby Thompson way, because there is no evidence that that man that went to the Bahamas ever returned to Cayman.

      I would love if they opened up an investigation into the failed First Cayman bank & all the issues involved, but I presume there is as much chance of that happeningas there is a chance that the remains found off Bobby Thompson Way is the East Indian man from FCB. In other words little to no chance at all.

      • Caepetbagger says:

        FCB will always remain a mystery because it is not in the interest of those at the top. All was swept under the carpet just like the oil fund that went bust two years ago. Amazing how soon we forget.

  18. A Louse In Wonderland says:

    Could it be the remains of the last Auditor General who questioned the Government?

    • Chris Johnson says:

      Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Florence Goring-Nozza says:

      Governor Taylor we love this Auditor General just as much as we love former Chief Inspector Derek Haines. We want you to make sure Mr. Duguay has the protection that he needs, we do not want anything to happen to him, If he is upsetting people then he needs Police protection around the clock. I mean English police and not any with political ties, under political control, or undoe influence. This is the main reason when drafting the constitution we must never allow the elected government to have full control over our civil service, our Attorney General, our auditor General our Chief Secretary  and our Judiciary, for fear of victimization that is  inevitable.

      • Justin Case says:

        I suspect he should also get a recorder installed on his telephone in case he gets any more evening calls suggesting that he leaves the island.

    • Mozzies says:

      Check see if has a a spine. Definitely could be an auditor!!

  19. Anonymous says:

    This area of Bobby Thomson Way being referred to is extremely high. No flooding there. Its where everyone parks now when a hurricane is coming.

  20. Anonymous says:

    What about some forensic person like Dr. G?????

    • Mozzies says:

      I thought Dr G had gone to the great screen above.

      • anonymous says:

        I am convinced that at least 75%of these murders are Big Shot or politically ordered.  it has to be. that’s the reason they arn’t solved. the police are ordered not to rouble, delve into, or solve these cases!.

        I have family members that are paranoid of returning t o live in the cayman Islands becasue of the rise in crime and becasue there seems to be too many phantom killers on the loose!  people really have to be very careful and look over their shoulders.

  21. Anonymous says:

    What would it take for us to get a cold case unit established. I can think of at least 10 murders over the years that have yet to be solved. With the frequency of crime these days the more recent crimes become priority and the older ones are left to gather dust with nobody held accountable and no justice brought forth for the family or lost soul. We need a unit that will look into the older crimes…review the evidence and fit the pieces together. Indeed this would take some doing and money but in the end it’s worth it. What’s the statute on murder in Cayman anyway? Because the murderers know once an invesigation gets stale they are still free to walk around because it’s unlikely that someone is still looking into the case.

    • Anonymous says:

      I recall a few years ago an Indian man (I am not sure what Nationality but the missing posters were of Indian decent) went missing and I have not heard if that person resurfaced!

      • Anonymous says:

        My god; when I heard the news last night, this indian man came to mind and I reminded my sister about this story; its true I dont remember ever hearing that he was found.  This was about 2003.

        • noname says:

          yea, I remember his pic in the paper & for about a week the news was that he was missing, & I never did hear of him being found, or turning back up. I hope the RCIPS check this cold case out (if indeed he was never heard of since)

    • Anonymous says:

      THERE IS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON MURDER!

      The reason these cases are not solved is because most of them are obviously "HITS!

      Itremains to be seen who is financing those hired for murder !(these hit men are getting away scott free.)

      I hope that Governor taylor is a crime fighter and that he will go to any lengths to open these cold cases regardless of who he upsets..Bring those murderers to justice regardless of how big a shot they are and give these families some peace and rest. The Poor man and Richman must go to jail alike, no respect of persons here. If a big shot is behind these murders we want them put away or hung. Its time to bring back hanging. As far as these scum bags are concerned the furthest they will go is Northward Five Star Hotel! this has got to stop there needs to be capital punishment, Lethal injection or hanging letting them know we will not tolerate crime in our society.

      This governor must do more about crime than the last governor. the last one spent all our money on investigations leading to no where.

      Governor Talor is expected to make sure the right people are in place to fight and stamp out crime in our society.  I am not convinced that we have those Police officers in place. somthing is missing and thats serious.

      Governor Taylor needs to make former chief Inspector Derek Haines an offer he can’t refuse, if this Commissioner can’t do the job, then We need to give the job to Derek Haines, we have no favorites, we just need these crimes solved and competent police that have common sense enough to secure and  tape off a crime scene without out walking away like idiots leaving most of the forensic evidence for the criminals offender and our innocent children to play in. i’m not sure if there’s anyone on the island but a hand full of former police officers that can attend to these serious matters, we seem to have lost somthing.  Cayman seems to be worst than Chicago now adays according to the crime rate compared to other large countries. We eing a small island this is far too high a crime rate for the governor and our leaders to just take things lightly without using  some stronger force.

      Our police must arm themselves , and the people must arm themselves.The country this little island is only 144 square miles, and 45 to 50,000 people in population.  The fact that the police force is not solving any of these crimes with such a small number of people living here is a crying  shame, a travesty and a sad case. With the tight lipped coconut head idiots, and bible thumpers,  so called outstanding citizens ( yeah really)  you very well know  who committed these crimes and you do not have the decency to turn these scum bags in, you should be ashamed of yourselves. When it happens to you, would you want a favor returned by some one squealing or snitching on the murderer? Death respects no one. You could at least make ONE phone call from a pay phone and disguise your voice,put a tissue over the mouth of the phone, (to protect your identity) if you want to help solve crimes you can. The majority of you are so ignorant and stupid  that you want the police to do everything for you. You want to have your cake and eat it too. I agree with the Premiere, He’s not doing anything for you, go back to church! he says

      He’s right.  If you can’t  contribute to turning in a murderer who killed your kind neighbor, then you’re good for nothing.  Go back to church, I agree with Big Mac this time, oh yeah.  Go back to church.

      • Luke Ignatius May says:

        Why are you all so very Americanised?  It is so depressing to see so many American references in communications here.  The ghastly "check book" is the one of the most annoying. 

        Anyway life in Cayman is not an American B-Movie.  We do not have a limitation law for criminal activities.  The Limitation Law sets out specific time bar defence for civil causes of action and other civil claims not covered by the law are sometimes treated as time barred by analogy.

        This is British territory and follows the British approach to these matters.  Who cares what they do in Dumpsville, Michigan? 

         

        • The foreigner says:

          Lord help the British if it’s their approach being used here. "Ghastly" old chap.

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t think Derek Haines is the answer to our problems at the moment. Let’s just assess the problem here – any new Commissioner has got to spend time getting to know the RCIPS. He has to work out what works and what doesn’t. He then needs to decide upon the best way to fix these problems. But more than that – he also has to find out which of his officers he can trust, and which he can’t; which officers are passionate about doing a good job for the community, which are there to make money any way they can, and which just don’t care. Sorting the wheat from the chaff is difficult when you have corruption on the scale most people believe is present in RCIPS, with no-one prepared to offer evidence against a ‘brother officer’. So, once a new Commissioner has assesed the problem, decided upon who he can use and who he can lose, implemented changes, improved training, and recruited new officers to replace the ones he loses, we then have to wait for the improvements to have an effect – there is no such thing as an instant fix. How long is that going to take? I’m betting more than the 7 or so months Mr Baines has been on the island. Yes, I suppose that does make me one of the people saying ‘give him time’, but we’re saying it for a reason.

        Why doesn’t CNS ask RCIPS how many officers have been suspended/sacked over the past few years for misconduct – that should tell us if the latest Commissioner is having an impact.

        I will also point out that, save for the body that is yet to be identified, we can with certainty say that all of the recent shootings have been gang related – and their executions turn out to be a lot less civilised than state-run ones, so anyone who thinks that the threat of hanging or lethal injection is going to deter these people is out of their mind.

        Recent studies from around the world suggest that more than any other factor, the number of police in a force directly impacts upon the crime rate. So I say, ‘let’s have more police.’ How much is a life worth? If Mac tells me he want’s $50 a year of every citizen to pay for improvements in policing, if that saves one life, I’d pay ten times over and then some.

    • Anonymous says:

      If established that the skeleton has been there for many years just remember to include Mr Yuggie that went missing many years ago. No one knows for sure that his boat had overturned.

      • Relative says:

        Uncle yuggie and his son when missing in 1973…I don’t think it would be either of them.

  22. Anonymous says:

    I agree with the poster of 20:16. In generations past people just simply disappeared and it was hatched up that they "went fishing" when they were probably chopped up and dumpped in the bush somewhere. I recall hearing my grandmother speak such occurrences during her time where people just simply disappeared and were never seen or heard from again, nobody asked questions just hushed rumours and whispers that died out with the old folk. Quite sad really. Perhaps this is one of the donkey years old unsolved mysteries that nobody took a second look into. Just a guess. Not saying that I’d want it to be this way, but the Ivan theory is far fetched to me…somebody would have known this person and realized that they were unaccounted for after Ivan afterall in Ivan we all stuck together and checked on one another even strangers helped strangers…Ivan no, mysterious circumstances yes. Cayman needs a cold case squad simply put, we have unsolved tragedies that need to be handled and justice needs to be sought for the deseased.

  23. Anonymous says:

    It seems that a number of people writing here are hopeful that this is an act of God from Hurricane Ivan rather than another criminal act. Time will tell and I can only say that I am glad that I wasn’t the one to discover the remains as it must have been a grisley find.

    May this person rest in peace.

  24. Anonymous says:

    After the Scenes of Crime officers get through with the scene and the evidence, nobody will be able to tell if the bones are human, canine or fish, as the evidence will (a) be lost, (b) be corrupted with somebody’s lunch, and (c) be assigned to a case relating to a littering charge and filed under the section for parking offences (just prior to being "lost").

    It’s hopeless.  Give it up now and get on with being afraid.

    PS: G, can you tell???

    • Anonymous says:

      All these people with the thumbs down!!! The cops can’t even solve the fresh crimes that happen in front of 100 witnesses.  How are they going to sort out a cold case?  Even in the trials that do happen, they admit that they failed to do this and failed to do that and did this wrong and screwed that up.  I’m surprised that anyone gets convicted at all!

  25. StillgoingStrong says:

    WE HAVE SO MANY OVERSTAYERS HERE NOT ACCOUNTED FOR

  26. Anonymous says:

    This is sad, I guess nobody missed um! ?

  27. Anonymous says:

    If it was Ivan, someone that knew the victim would have made a missing persons report, right? Off the top of my head I can’t think of anyone that was missing and never found…. And if it was some sort of foul play, you would think that there was a missing persons report for that too…. 

  28. Anonymous says:

    I do not recall ever hearing of a missing person and so It is very sad that, whoever this person was, they were not even missed. RIP

    • Anonymous says:

      Remember now, not everything is reported don’t you know that?????  Very sad though that no noticed he was missing, but then maybe it was someone who was buried a long time ago and the bones became undug?  Yeah right….

  29. Anonymous says:

    It is more likely that it is someone who was legitimately buried there years ago, as suggested by 19:48, than it being an Ivan victim. Can’t rule out some mysterious disappearances way back, when people were said to have ‘gone fishing’ and never returned. But surely forensics will determine the kind of time frame involved. But will this be pursued? It might be deemed ‘more important’ to expend resources on current mysteries, like all the unsolved murders. Let’s wait and see.

  30. Anonymous says:

    Years ago people were buried in yards all around Cayman.  No records were kept, so perhaps the police needs to check into the heritage of that piece of land and talk to some older family members. Worth a try!

    • EastSider says:

      Does anyone really think it is possible that when people still buried family members in their yards which would have been many, many years ago that clothing  and a watch would have still been evident on the skeleton ?  I am a Caymanian by descent and have been living here continuously since 1973. In my time here I have known of no-one being buried anywhere but in the cemeteries therefore I am sure if this was the case it would have had to be before 1973 and I don’t think clothing would have endured more than 37 years.  I am sure there are numerous possibilities, but as to being buried in their yard I think that is a little far fetched.

  31. Watering Hole says:

    yes I thnk that was an Ivan Victim.

  32. Anonymous says:

    Maybe a Hurricane Ivan tragedy. 

    • Ping-Pong says:

      Same thing I said after reading this.

    • EastSider says:

      Seems like a good possibility especially since they had extensive flooding in that area.  Hope they find out who it is and also COD.  God be with them whoever they are.

    • Hairy McBush says:

      Boy you people is fool fool. Don’t you pay attention, there was Hurricane Ivan. Try so listen nuh.