Two hit in West Bay shootings

| 05/03/2010

(CNS): The ongoing gang violence on Grand Cayman has resulted in yet two more victims being shot. Police have now confirmed the details of two separate shootings that took place in West Bay this evening, Thursday 4 March. Police said that shortly after 8.00 pm a man was in Miss Daisy Lane when he was shot in the shoulder. He was conveyed to the Cayman Islands Hospital, where he is currently being treated. His condition is described as stable.  Meanwhile, in the second incident a man sustained slight head injuries when he was shot in the Birch Tree Hill area of West Bay around 8.15 pm

Police said the second man had been taken to a hospital by a friend and has since been released. No other details of the shootings or of they were connected have been released and the police said that West Bay detectives are now looking into the incidents.

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  1. Anonymous says:

    We need to teach our girls and boys to respect themselves and help them to develop strong self esteem.  And not to run around sleeping with Tom Dick and Harry and if they do, use birth control.  there is no need for our kids to be having kids.    However, many young girls get involved with men who turn out to be charming and turn out to be controlling and abusive.  Once you are in a relationship with children it is not so easyto get out of it.  Cayman is a small place to hide from a violent abusive partner.  I worked with a divorce lawyer for several years and have had client’s husbands calling and threatening me with all sorts of things when I would not tell them whether or not their wife was there.  I’ve also seen women who left their husbands and ended up in hospital from the beating their so called "loved ones" give them when they get the opportunity.  This is another big problem in Cayman.  Its hard enough in a big country where you can move to another state or city.  Here you’re a sitting duck.  I think a lot of men/boys especially don’t know how to take "no" for an answer because they are not taught even basic boundaries.  This becomes a real problem when they are grown.    Kids with parents who don’t protect and gude them, don’t know their own value, feel worthless and act appropriately.  If you don’t want to spend at least 18 years making many many sacrifices for your kids, then don’t have them.  They are not someone else’s responsibility.  Teachers can do nothing with them if you dont do the ground work and teach them to respect themselves and others.  Life is hard.  No one is entitled to anything much that they are not prepared to work for.   Teach your kids that early in life.

    • Anonymous says:

      We need to offer our girls the choice of an abortion too.  Broken families, teenage pregnancies and unwanted children all lead to violent crime.  You want to be brought up with low self-esteem?  Try being brought up by a mother who did not want you and resents you for ruining her life.

  2. anonymous says:

    Submitted by whodatis (not verified) on Fri, 03/05/2010 – 10:56.

    Ever wondered how your child ended up having (according to you) a reckless, heartless, gun-wielding thug for a father?

    I am pretty certain that at some point in your life you found that man’s violent and thuggish attitude to be appealing, cute and sexy – today you complain about it.

    A major part of Cayman’s societal problems is due to women just like you – but no one seems to want to touch that particular issue do they?

    (Perhaps you should read my previous comment posted below?)


    whodatis, don’t even bother trying to explain.  these "love-a thousand-thugs" girls know exactly from the very get-go who they’re dealing with…  it’s not like buddy comes talking to them in shakesperean english, dressed in a pressed suit, bearing chocolates and roses.  he’s the loser whose pants are barely above his knees, with a ganja spliff in one hand, a beer in the other, some dirty girl hanging all over him, and 5 different women calling him for alimony.  so they know.  they feel great when they’ve stolen the low-life from the other thug lovers…  they think that they’re going to change him…once they realize that they can’t change him and things start turning sour, that is when you start hearing the typical, "i didn’t know…blah blah blah" excuses.  of course they knew all along the type of person that their baby dadda was.  these guys are too frigging dumb to put up a front…  in fact, they don’t even care to put one on – they have plenty of dumb women ready and eager to nab-a-thug.



  3. On a slippery slope ... says:

    Unfortunately my fellow CNS posters; its unlikely that the number is still "15" so-called gang members. This sort of activity draws in membership, the same way a casino lures the curious occasional gambler, or the corner bar attracts the weekend drinker… both ultimately become regulars and are lost to family and loved ones. Today’s youth have been fed a steady diet of violent video games, obscene music lyrics, and role models who thrive on promiscuity, gambling and a gangsta lifestyle.

    I can see Gov’t trying to put the wheels in motion with the recent passing of the "anonymous witness" law, and hear that much more is planned… it’s likely a little too late, but I am hoping that it can stem the tide.

    Its a slippery slope indeed …


  4. Wake me when it's over says:

    We don’t need a Police Helicopter, we need a dirigible anchored permanently over West Bay.  The thugs there are terrorizing that community.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Why am I not surprised by your narrow minded response!!!! Firstly, who are you to JUDGE when you do not know the circumstances surrounding the situation!!! What gives you the impression that my baby father was a thug when I met him, remember thug life is not a quality you are born with, it is one that a person adapts after personal experiences or pair pressure!!!   As stated in my initial message, he is the father of my child, which means he has parental rights, so how dare you question, why my son was with his father to begin with!!! Your message gives me the impression,that you are the type of person that would not try to help young Caymanians who have gone a stray, you would rather sit there and stereotype them, instead of being your brothers keeper and reach out to them. This world needs more people that are willing to lookoutside the box and try to find a solution for the problem, so pointing fingers as to who’s the blame and criticizing ones decision or choices only makes matters worse. My point in sharing my personal experience is to make people aware that violence is taking over these islands, so we need to put a stop it in every aspect, so that we can all be safe!!!

    • whodatis says:

      On a one to one level – you are absolutely correct – I know not the circumstances surrounding YOUR particular situation.

      I can see how my initial post may have personally offended you, especially if what you are saying is in fact the case, and assuming that you are not a fibber – I do apologize (for the hurt feelings).

      However, even if your situation is one out of the rarely excusable category – in the grand scheme of things – it is a bit irrelevant.

      The fact remains that this dilemma extends far beyond any single case.

      (See poster’s remarks at 18:46 for example.)

      Regardless, I stand 100% behind my words when applied in a general sense.

      Women get far too easy a pass today – especially with the "don’t judge me" garbage.

      Is anyone "not judging" or supporting the role of the "thug" in Cayman society? No! Why should we treat his typical run-of-the-mill "baby mudda" any differently? The majority of them need to quit using their children as scapegoats.

      Male thugs tend to end up in prison – "loosey-goosey" baby mothers tend to receive mommy’s support and often a check from the government to top it off. (Many a female Caymanian professional is forced to make that embarrassing drive to Northward Prison on birthdays and Christmas.)

      Which is the properly functioning adult individual? I’m confused here.

      Anyway – again I will cut this short as I know this topic is ALWAYS a pointless nosedive into mantras, mottos and clauses.

  6. Anonymous says:

    I’m appalled after reading 10:04 Whodatis’ posting. You mean to tell me we have convicted murders, twice convicted even, roaming our streets freely amongst us even shopping in baby stores? Why are these people not in prison? Convicted murders? Are you kidding me? They should be in prison for life shouldn’t they under our penal system, well I believe in capital punishment as a stronger deterrent, but walking the streets of Grand Cayman.

    Cayman was so much nicer back in the day when there was only 10,000 of us Caymanian’s living in Cayman. Everybody knew everybody, cause an accident to stop and let you out, now try to get out onto a busy road.

    The police commissioner needs to abandon the ole Elnglish ways of not carrying firearms. The thugs aren’t afraid of the police, they walk into night clubs and blow people away in front of many witnesses because they feel, and seem to be, above the law. Our police deserve the right to protect themselves as well as the public. In fact I agree with the recent motion in the LA to allow citizens to protect themselves as well. I am a highly trained  individual in the use of firearms who could responsibly own a firearm in my household for protection purposes, I’m not saying to carry, that should never be allowed. But at least allow the police to protect themselves and carry out their duties properly armed for the job.

    In the U.S. the Constitution of the United States of America says "The people shall have the right to bear arms". We don’t have these same civil rights in Cayman.

    The way to prevent firearms and drugs from entering our small country is to secure our borders. This means our shoreline with increased patrols by water (24/7) on all four corners, air support with night vision which has finally arrived (24/7), and Customs needs to examine each and every shipment into our islands without fail. This is a huge task but apparently is necessary. Hire more Customs agents? The country is broke but we must find a way.




  7. FEDUP says:

    Well it is like shooting is becoming a hobby and a normal part of society all of a sudden!! Seriously, if they were to hire me to run DTF/USG or be a part of it no questions would be asked!! He pulled out a gun and that is why he dead now. Simple if you police know who the guys are forget the dam law bust down door and finish it! Need a Adam’s type of policing round here!

  8. Anonymous says:

    Why not set up another road block. This seemed to have been the solution to the majority of the crime wave in 2009 and seemingly it has produced incredible results!

  9. Anonymous says:

    Another day, another shooting, another robbing. Just a typical Cayman day.

    Let’s change our motto from "The islands time forgot." to "The islands that forgot to control crime."

    • Anonymous says:

      And just where is our leader the premier when trouble is in paradise? Oh, he’s off island again, on a nice short vacation in Cuba (where else?)!!! I have never seen a leader off island so much. He is definitely the #1 frequent flyer! What a man loves to fly, fly free, stay free & eat free! AMAZING! Our country is bankrupt but he continues to live & travel like a king! AMAZING!!

  10. Anonymous says:

    This violence will keep on happening until our lazy politicians get off their back sides and pass legislation that does 3 things: 

    doubles the minimum penalties for violent crime;

    ends the revolving door parole and bail systems that keep these violent criminals on our streets, committing more violence and intimidating people. There should be no parole for violent criminals, and bail should be very difficult to get for persons charged with any violent crime;

    makes Northward into a place of punishment not a spa. That means no cell phones, no A/C, no take out food on demand, no TV, growing their own food and working to justify their release back into society.

    Why do our politicians try to protect these violent criminals by refusing to do anything to punish them appropriately for the crimes that they are committing? What hold do the criminals have over our politicians?

    Please members of the LA – We don’t need any more )$(*%#&$ committees. JUST DO IT.

    • Anonymous says:

      totally agree – and don’t forget a provision for hard labour.  Out in chain gangs from dawn til dusk.  You eat what you get.  You have to eat rubbish when you are sick in the hospital.  Why should Northward be a better option than the hospital?

  11. Anonymous says:

    I have to agree with 10:39 I have live in West Bay all my life and i ant no todays chicken but there is  NOT enough protolling  in these areas and for what reason  only God Knows. I’m sorry but the police need to make there self be none they have there bullet proof vest ok if they need extra ammo give it to them but instead of parking off empty cars to stop people driving thru a certain area please use those cars and protroll the areas that needs to be protrol  it would be much appreciated by the community. Because I for one could avoid going thru either of these areas i surely hell would  because thats the fear we have that we could be hit by a stray bullet at any time.

  12. Anonymous says:

     the police are so corrupt it is never going to end if the ones who are suppose to protect arent even straight how are the criminals going to be. 

    killings just leave heartache. when will it end? 

    God knows best and Cayman has been needing a wake up call….

  13. Anonymous says:

    From you a young mans Point of view……

    Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.-Benjamin Franklin

    We waste too much of our time blaming the police, government, media etc when we should be blaming ourselves. The quicker we accept blame the closer we are to having a safe Cayman. It seems like the easiest thing to do is to say "The police needs to do this, the police needs to do that!" How many people actually volunteer their time to the police to help out? How many would actually speak out against this gang violence publicly instead of turning a blind eye until its one of their own who are hurt or even worst killed? Lets all try to make Cayman safe people lets help our neighbors!

  14. Anonymous says:

    Round up all 15, give them each a baseball bat and put them all in one cage. 

    Then let them slug it out with each other until they are all dead. 

    I’d even buy tickets to watch.

    • Janet T says:

      I say, lets send them to Afganistan since they like to shoot. I bet they wont last long over there.

      BTW, how are these guns getting into our Islands??????

      Is Customs not doing there job!?!?!?!

  15. Anonymous says:

    The Police are at the wrong places, the wrong times. Instead of being parked on  West Bay Road for hours, go to the areas that these shooting are taking place.  If 15 names are on the Police file and known for these crimes, then park at their door mouth and stay there for hours. All the areas that the shootings are taking place just have 7 different police cars stationed at each area.  Its about 12 police cars that belong to the West Bay station anyway. If the Police doesnt have protection, get them their bullet proof and their ammo too. They are humans as well and need to be protected so help them protect themselves.  These shooting always take place the same areas. There is not enough protrolling. Weather the ploice wants to admit it or not. Because some innocent person could of been shot again last night just by innocently driving cross the area, going home, visting family, going shooping, getting something to eat, basketball, football etc. People do not even feel safe driving on the road anymore. This is a small Islands and should free to enjoy it and raise our children up feeling safe. That they can go by a friend house, go to football, basketball or just even take a ride on theri bikes. Come on now!!! POLICE PRESENTS ARE NEEDED!!!

    • Anonymous says:

       I AGREE 100%!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      Whyare we giving the police presents?

    • Grammer! says:

      These shootings are very serious issues that needs to be addressed.

      But maybe some money could be spared for adult education?

      Not sure police PRESENTS (presence?) will solve anything, nor will WEATHER (whether) they admit it or not.

      I not getting into the rest of the typing and spelling errors but you get my drift.

      • Anonymous says:

        Maybe you should of typed "I am not getting into the rest of the typing and spelling errors etc. Instead of bad English saying "I not getting". I guess everyone makes errors. get my drift.

      • **??**!!** says:

        "Please" don’t be as petty as the Police. Stop going on and on about other  people mistakes and spelling errors, please GROW up!  At least this person is trying to voice their opinion and have good points. I guess you didn’t have anything constructive or positive to say! This is probably one of the reasons why a lot of people don’t waste their time going to the police either, always going about things the wrong way.

  16. Anonymous says:

    Bring in some Los Angeles and New York City cops that know howto deal with this kind of violence.  We need help Cayman.  This must stop

    • MCF says:

      Why would the US want to help us?

      • Anonymous says:

        Why wouldn’t they? Who said it would be for free……they would be paid to do a job just like how our police is now being paid!   

        How will we pay them? Take some of the deadbeats (who’s collecting a salary for nothing) off of the force and replace them with some real cops, who would not be afraid to make a presence in these areas and do what it takes to get the job done.

        All I know is something needs to be done and done now!

        I will probably be criticized  for this comment but frankly I don’t care, I’m just fed up with all this nonsence.

        • Concern Native says:

          I totally agree that we need some good policing around here. We have NOOOOOOOOO good policing tactics all are from the days of battons and crazy glue!

          We should be aware that the Premier and his fellow legislators cannot I mean CANNOT pass any laws that will deter crime (like some bloggers are suggesting) unless the GOVERNOR signs it into law. AN Englishman will always have the last say in this country so we can hum and haw all we want.

          Remember, ENGLAND is the fastest growing crime ridden country in the world. It’s just that no one wants to talk about it. Just read some of their news papers. XXXXXX

          Now tell me, if our mother is a criminal our father is a criminal isn’t it possible that the a few of its offspring could also follow suite? Just a thought.

          So please bloggers, enough of the nonsence writtings.

    • Dixon says:

      Policing techniques have had less impact on crime in New York than a) raw increases in police numbers and b) the positive effect on violent crime of the greater availability of abortion services.

  17. Anonymous says:

     will it ever end?????????? this is all retaliation!!!!!!!! it needs to stop before someone else dies!!!!!!!!!!

  18. Anonymous says:

    How bout we just drop them in a real ghetto with real ganstas and see how long they last! where are the police? what are we becoming?!

    • MCF says:

      I completely agree. So many of them are punks who cry about being thugs & affiliate with "Gaza" or "Gully" (which alone is enough to make one hang their head in shame)… or whatever the trendy affiliation of the moment is.  I would love to see what these cowards who hide behind guns would do if they were left in Buxton, Guyana…. or the real Gaza Strip of Pakistan…. probably cry for their mommies.

      • Anonymous says:

        I know this is not the point of your post, but Gaza is in Palestine, not Pakistan.

  19. Anonymous says:

    Well in my case the father of my child threading to kill me with a 38 (gun) if I don’t go to court and drop the case against him for abandoning our son on the side of the road. I made a report to POLICE but I guess like in every case action will only be taking after, someone is seriously hurt or DEAD!!!!!

    My point is some times things can be prevented if these reports are look into seriously or investigated to begin with rather than be logged in the computer and placed on the file.  It’s time to take action!!!

    • whodatis says:

      Ever wondered how your child ended up having (according to you) a reckless, heartless, gun-wielding thug for a father?

      I am pretty certain that at some point in your life you found that man’s violent and thuggish attitude to be appealing, cute and sexy – today you complain about it.

      A major part of Cayman’s societal problems is due to women just like you – but no one seems to want to touch that particular issue do they?

      (Perhaps you should read my previous comment posted below?)

      • Anonymous says:

         everyone makes mistakes. people need to stop judging……she kept her child so what if her and him arent together now im sure thats for a reason…..look at your own life cause im sure its not perfect everyone judges when their own life is full of ………

        • frank rizzo says:

          Except when you see the same mistake over and over and…

        • whodatis says:

          Right on cue!

          I was anticipating that age old excuse of "do not judge her"!

          That sentiment is destroying modern day society from within – and it ALWAYS pops up whenever WOMEN arebrought into the equation.

          Has any single person on here said "judge not" in regards to the male thugs that are running wild all over this island creating havoc for all to endure? No!

          It is all about being accountable for one’s actions and choices in life – except in the cases of thug chasing females as appears to be the case!

          Until we understand that these types of females (and they are no longer a small minority!) are actually half of the problem in regards to the issues with young people today we shall continue to ride this ridiculous merry-go-round.

          Anyway, I have made my point (and I am certain the ladies are armed and ready with their "thumbs downs" at this very moment). I will stop right here – hopefully we will start to open our eyes to what is right before us.

          ** By the way, in most instances – thugs beget thugs (and future thug chasing "baby muddas" as well". Females simply need to be more selective nowadays as these "mistakes", as you call them, are now costing us our normal way of life. **

        • Anonymous says:

          You can be your brothers keeper.

          We need to look into the situation not stereotype it.

          Thanks 🙂

          • Shamrock says:

            Oh boo-hoo! Woe is me!

            That’s what’s wrong with this entire generation; always blaming someone else for their problems, looking pity and making sorry excuses for the poor choices they have made and expecting everyone to "understand".

            Oh pul-eeeze! Go talk to Dr. Phil or something.

        • Anonymous says:

          Oh please take a look at all these young unwed mothers with babies….and take a look at who the father’s are???? They don’t think there is anything wrong with hooking up with a gansta.  Just drive by the High School at 3pm, take a look at the girls and whose cars they go in or who they are talking to outside the your eyes for goodness sakes…this is where the parents should be keeping a better eye on their children. 

      • Anonymous says:

        You ever thought that justmaybe the person might not have been a gangsta when she meet him

      • Anonymous says:

        I have to disagree with you! you are being judgemental towards her when you hav no idea of the cercumstances! i ahve bin in the state of a long term relationship believeing everything was great with my family until one day he just shows his true colors!! someimtes these guys put on a front just to get what they want. and when they have u where they want u thats when they show the real abuse and who they are!! open ur eyes and stop judging!!

    • Anonymous says:

      Why am I not surprised by your narrow minded response!!!! Firstly, who are you to JUDGE when you do not know the circumstances surrounding the situation!!! What gives you the impression that my baby father was a thug when I met him, remember thug life is not a quality you are born with, it is one that a person adapts after personal experiences or pair pressure!!!   As stated in my initial message, he is the father of my child, which means he has parental rights, so how dare you question, why my son was with his father to begin with!!! Your message gives me the impression, that you are the type of person that would not try to help young Caymanians who have gone a stray, you would rather sit there and stereotype them, instead of being your brothers keeper and reach out to them. This world needs more people that are willing to look outside the box and try to find asolution for the problem, so pointing fingers as to who’s the blame and criticizing ones decision or choices only makes matters worse. My point in sharing my personal experience is to make people aware that violence is taking over these islands, so we need to put a stop it in every aspect, so that we can all be safe!!!

      • Great says:

        prefect reply, people are always talking what they dont know and never take a look at their life and things they have done or mistakes they have done. WELL SAID. I had a simular experience and know exactly how you feel and understand what you went through. Tell them how it is. They like to jump into people postings too much and don’t know A from b. Thats why so many Caymanians are so silent about so many things.

    • Anonymous says:

      I totally agree, the father of my child has also broken into my house a number of times and tried 2 hurt me and at one point kill me but yet still happened to get bail on a weekend! and is still sending threats…..something needs to b looked into

  20. Anonymous says:

    Let’s stop protecting these people.  They live among us and I want to know who is involved.  Publish the names of the offenders and of the ‘victims’ .

    • ivan mclean says:

      "Anonymous"……perhaps what u need to do is start w/ur self…..

      DO urself what u expect others 2 do

      B urself what u expect of others 2 b

      HELP others like u would expect 2 b helped

      GIVE ur NAME as u expect others 2

      there is a lot more credibility in do n good anonymously than doing wrong and attempting to remain anonymous.

      i can assure u (their) day WILL come as sure as Adam screwed Eve & we all know he did that…………

      • Anonymous says:

        Please learn to spell.  Your grammar is disgraceful and I can see why you would get no where.  Make the effort to educate yourself to get ahead.  Otherwise, you have no basis to complain about anything or anyone!

        • Caymanian 2 D Bone & Proud of It says:

          Are you referring to me? Well thank you for your CNS grammer check, now tell me if this is Perfect Grammer! Unlike you I don’t visit CNS to win a XXXXX contest or to degrade people so to you I say "XXXX YOU & GET A LIFE".  Have some XXXX about you and at least send your comments without "Anonymous"

          • anonymous says:

            not only do you not know how to spell, you’re also a lot slow…duh.  btw, it’s not grammer but grammar.  you’re setting a fine example for the next generation of caymanians.  no wonder your country is sliding down the toilet…

  21. Caymanian 2 D Bone says:

    Response to " The same stories week after week;

    Please take note of the top three Countries that are listed, the mean influence for these gangs comes from one of them, our Premier’s close confidants they have great destructive influence on our country…for the Hard working People as well as the Criminals   please remember Poverty breeds Crime…..

  22. whodatis says:

    A Caymanian Tale

    What annoys me is that in the past 10 years there have been at least 7 individuals arrested for gun or serious assault offenses that were KNOWN (to me, the entire student body, faculty, social dept. etc.) troublemakers, bullies, fight-starters and overall seriously disruptive classmates from as far back as grade school!

    We see these guys coming from years down the road, so to speak, and it is extremely frustrating to see the same familiar names and faces causing the most unrest in the country.

    For example I personally had serious bullying issues with an individual back in MIDDLE SCHOOL (15 years ago) – and for whatever reason this person went through the school system and was released into the general public. A few years ago said individual ending up KILLING an older gentleman friend of mine. When I learned of his (my friend’s) untimely death I was extremely disheartened – however, when I learned of his killer’s identity I became extremely angry!

    Why was this individual even allowed to be out in the public, as I know for a fact that this person had NUMEROUS involvements and even arrests for drugs and assault prior to this incident!? Anyway, he was convicted and sent to prison for the crime.

    Life went on …

    To make matters even worse, I happened to be in court one day, for reasons that shall not be disclosed, and coincidentally found myself in a face-to-face meeting with this very person. He knew who I was, I knew who he was, we were both fully aware of the long, overlapping and complex history between us. It was an awkward meeting to say the least. To no one’s surprise he was being brought to the court once again on a murder charge! Folks – this was about 4 years after the MURDER of my previously mentioned friend! Can you imagine my state of mind at this point?

    However, again – life went on …

    Up until recently I had not heard of or seen this individual for years, but as luck would have it – I ran into this person yet again.

    This time it was in a kid’s toy and clothing store during the holiday season. I walked in and our eyes met – yet another awkward meeting.

    Mr. Twice Convicted Murderer was in the cashier’s line with his "girlfriend / baby mudda’" – she was proudly cradling their child in her arms as he was struggling to keep a handle on what looked like three other presents – of course when it came time to pay he did the classic – "Oh I forgot to check out something else in the back of the store" move … leaving her to pay for their purchases – to which of course, she happily obliged.

    I later learned that said individual has a minimum of three "baby muddas"!

    (As God as my witness I say to you that all of the above is true.)

    Are we paying attention? Are we taking notes?

    Hopefully all of us will be able to spot the problems and shortcomings in our country contained herein.

    The End.

    – whodatis

    • Anonymous says:

      I for one really appreciate your sharing of your first hand experience as a member of a small community living with people of antisocial temperament. 

      In the small town that I grew up in there were whole families who were known as criminals where the fathers and then the children got into criminal activities.

      In my opinion the article of this man’s experience in growing up in the Cayman community is the best use of this on line format.

      It sort of saddens me to think that such antisocial people continue to roam free in this community.

    • Anonymous says:


      Well said. I am a teacher of 30 plus years in our schools. The killers/gangstas of today were identifiable as early as primary school because of their off the wall out of control not accountable to anyone behaviour. There was never a "father" for us to turn to for help-he had long ago moved on to the next oh so willing woman. The mothers blamed the fathers (or the teachers) and were upset by the behaviour but could only beat the crap out of the kids until they got to the age when they beat the crap out of the mothers. Meanwhile there was a denial culture in the Portfolio and Department of Education so the schools got little sympathy. Every one of the Caymanian killers and violent criminals in Northward are known to long serving teachers. Nearly every single one was predicted to end up there. Gangs were being mentioned by the principals of the Middle and High Schools in the mid eighties. Noone outside the schools listened or chose to believe. We live with that now. Ah so it go.

    • Anonymous says:

      whodatis, I’ve always liked you (meaning your internet postings – I have no idea who you really are).

      Cayman needs a secret society of the "good" people of Cayman to take care of these problems early, in the only way that these problems can be taken care of.  You know what I mean.  Good luck.

      • whodatis says:

        Thank you for paying attention – I sincerely appreciate the appreciation.

        Take care.

    • Night Flyer says:

      Whodatis you tell the tale well I could almost picture the scene,very emotive, thanks for sharing. 

      • whodatis says:

        Thank you for paying attention.

        I’m a bit surprised by the level of response to be honest.

        All I did was tell a story – I guess it struck a chord.

        Take care.

  23. Anonymous says:

    Apparently a shooting was also in Windsor park, so why West Bay getting direct punches on last nights shootings?!?! I mean a shooting is a shooting. Take in mind West Bay seems to just be manufacturing guns all of a sudden, but still highlight us on CAYMANS happenings/shootings!!!

  24. Anonymous says:

    There is a gang law it needs to be amended everything else is being looked at why not this.

  25. Anonymous says:

    This is not going to stop until someone is killed, because it is all about  VENGENCE! 

    • Anonymous says:

      This is by far the most stupid of comments posted on this website.  Have you not been paying attention????????  

      There have been more than 5 murders in relation to this gang retaliation issue at hand!


  26. Anonymous says:

    23:31; same thing I was thinking. Either that or go to a gun range and learn how to aim, because so far they’re all just missing their targets and hurting the innocents in the process of their ignorance. Seems like they have no common sense as to think what the outcomes will be, it’s obvious, when one start it, another ignorant one going continue.Seems like a never ending battle.

    Simple fact and possible solution; they all need to be gathered up, ship out to some military camp where they have reason to use a gun; Cayman is not a war zone.


  27. Bert says:

    I have another idea, why dont we send them to Iran, Itaq Afghanistan or sonme where in the middle east, there is constant gun fire over in those territories may be they could use these trigger happy ignorant morons that we have here shooting at each other missing and unfortunatley killing innocent children!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      Great idea, we could let these losers fight instead of the good men and women over there now. The problem is, these thugs are spineless and weak. After one minute in a war zone they would be cowering like babies. Look how these degenerates act when arrested. I think parents of these losers should go to jail with them for creating the little wastes of space.

  28. Anonymous says:


    Real men use their FISTS

  29. Anonymous says:

    The police needs to have the authority to do on the spot random search of suspected gang members and drug dealers. Police with family members who are involved with GUNS, GANG and DRUG needs to stop informimg them of when and where a search is going to take place.  It only takes one phone call and every drug and gang member knows what is going on.  (HIDE YOUR GUNS AND DRUGS. THE POLICE IS DOING A SEARCH TODAY!) How are we going to get them off our streets if this doesn’t stop. THIS IS FACT.  I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY POLICE. 

  30. Anonymous says:

    I agree.  Let them have a shootout! Otherwise more innocent people like "Little Jeremiah" will die.

  31. Anonymous says:

    Police ? Police ? are you there ? Anybody ? Help ? Pretty please ?

    • Lachlan MacTavish says:

       In hindsight the authorities in Los Angeles lamented that when the gang culture was developing they should have taken aggressive measures. Making "gangs" illegal. But political and public naysayers won out and 100,000’s of people have died, drugs and guns have polificated and now gangs are embedded so deap into this society that nothing can be done. 

      Cayman is a small environment. It isn’t to late…..abolish gangs and the culture which is drugs and guns. Instead of spending a trillion dollars on a dock for momontary tourists save your island and people Mr. Premier. …….ban gangs…..anonymous witnesses…..hasher sentences….trial by judge…..yes pay for defences and put these criminals away….double the budget for the police……hire expert consultants and foriegn police to work under the Commissioner…..shut down drugs and guns….STOP licencing guns……educate parents…..set up youth centres……provide councelling and social services that work with funding………

      Do something about this problem before the gand/drug/gun culture is so embedded in Cayman that you can’t do anything about. Cayman will repeat Caribbean history if you just continue to dance around the issue.

    • Anonymous says:

      Everyday there is something new.  New ones olds ones, alot of unsolved ones….you don’t hear anything more about those two fellows that got hacked up.  No arrests, nothing!!! Like it never happened

  32. Anonymous says:

    No what the government needs to do is bring in some undercover "hit men" and put them on the street to take out these trouble makers and then send a clear message to other "wanna be ghetto gun men" that this is what will happen to them if they "uprise" again.

    Why should we bother waste money trying to find them guilty and then house them and our expense in Hotel Northward – this is just throwing good money after bad. Just take them out. Dont even bother burying them – give them a set of cement shoes and dump them over the drop off.

    Sounds cruel and hard I know but if something is not done you all are going to be living in fear for a long long long time. TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK

  33. Anonymous says:

    I figured the "No more Pow-Pow!" sign at the fire station would have put and end to this….

    I guess idiotic signs are not the answer….

  34. Cyro the Cynic says:

    Sad that this is no longer "front page news".  If this were a printed news venue, this story would get page 3 of Part B in the back.  No one died, no innocent bystanders were hit, and the fact that a criminal is on an armed rampage doesn’t even warrant reporting these days.  The fact that they can’t shoot worth a damn might make the humour section.

    This is how you raised your children West Bay.  Rejoice as you reap your crop.

    • Anonymous says:

      I am a born and bred West Bayer and I take those comments very biased.  Is there only West Bayers that have gun shootings. 

    • MonkeySee says:

      What a sad generalisation of my beautiful district!

      Its a terrible reality that to readers outside of Cayman and those in other districts, West Bay sounds like Liberty City  or Compton !!!

      Trust me, its hard being a Baya right now…can’t walk the dog without looking over my shoulder and constantly worry about security for my children. Its sad, terrifying, and disheartening.

      But the majority of people in WB are NOT gangsters…. yet some of these commenters make it seem like all Bayas must ‘take the rap’ for the upbringing of these fools! This is not 30 years ago when ‘the village’ was raising the kids…this is the time when many people don’t even know their neighbor’s name! And that is for ALL districts, and many places around the world, not just WB!

      I’m glad that I don’t know these murders and wanna be thugs! Never even seen them on the streets!  But I have seen some of their kids in primary school & elsewhere and will always pray they don’t follow in their parents paths….

      Why don’t we direct the ‘reap what you sow’ comments to the immedaite families and ‘baby muddas’ instead of the whole district?

      And for those who know what your kin is up to, do something about it.  be part of the solution and not complacent in retaliation & further acts of violence.


  35. Anonymous says:

    I agree – round them all up, stick them in a bullet proof room with as many weapons and ammo as they like and let them have at it.  Then lock up whoever is still standing for the rest of his days. 

  36. Anonymous says:

    I agree with you 23:31. I awoke this morning to learn that there was an apparent drive by shooting on the same road I live on (which is in George Town)! The police had the area taped off and then I also learnt that there were two shootings in West Bay. Time to stop talking and stop with the petty road blocks. Start knocking down doors RCIP! You know who the majority of these thugs are.

  37. Anonymous says:

    So the Premier is building a big wall around his personal property at our expense, has Los Vegas style lighting on his property at our expense, and has police guarding him 24/7 at our expense, and in any event he is mostly out of the country at our expense, so he clearly is sleeping well at night and has no interest in bringing in new laws to lock up these criminals and make the rest of us safer. I don’t understand the need for all of this special security as I would have thought that by refusing to pass laws to lock up the criminals for a very long time, he would have nothing to fear from them anyway.

    It is an outrage that these politicians are using our money to improve their personal lifestyles but not ours. What incentive do they have to make the people’s lives better when they can simply look out for themselves at our expense?

    They have no right to be safer than the rest of us, particularly when they are doing nothing to increase the penalties for violent crime, nothing to make Northward into a place of punishment for criminals rather than a spa, and nothing to end the revolving door parole system for violent criminals.

    How many more children must die Mr. Premier?


    • Anonymous says:

      FYI……Heads of State are always protected.

      • Anonymous says:

        FYI – McKeewa is no head of state, and thank God for that. Learn what the phrase means before you blog moron.

        McKeewa is a wannabee head of state in the making and I suspect he would be happy to let Cayman disintegrate to get that wish. 

  38. Zzzzz says:

    Can we just introduce a permanent checkpoint and CCTV for everyone coming into or out of West Bay?

    • Anonymous says:

      Not all people in West Bay are gang members and bad people. Professionals live in communities like the Shores, Papagallo and Conch Point, so please stop labeling a whole community for a group of thugs.

      • Anonymous says:

        Excuse me – are you from West Bay – that is such a prejudiced remark – I live on Watercourse Rd and for sure I am not a thug.  Please think before you speak (or in this case – before you type)

    • Anonymous says:

      It’s not just West Bay.  STop the prejudice.  There are good people in West Bay who are just as horrified by these actions.

  39. Anonymous says:

    For gang members, legislate a temporary law to provide for internment. Manditory tagging when released for up 2 months, repeat this process until they have proven that they are no longer a threat to society.

  40. Canada Hockey! says:

    Someone said there was a shooting on Anthony Drive last night as well…any news on this?

    • Anonymous says:

      Supposively one of the occupants just got out of jail so they decided to shoot up the house…but there were alot of innocent people in the house who just rent rooms!!!

  41. Michael says:

    The RCIP seems to have arrested all the good shots!

  42. Right ya so says:

    23:31 – agreed!!  They need to leave the rest of us out of it!

  43. Raffaele says:

    Do not worry o Great people we have a Helicopter Now the withering heights of the High Command can see you! and to all criminals in this Great Land the NSC the Named Secret  CON spiracy is plotting your demise you Scumbags We have been saved. Big Government is a Big threat to freedom Cayman and free cheese is only found is mouse traps.

  44. Anonymous says:

    So it continues, there were no "Gangs" just group now the groups have graduated into "Gangs" and  the battle continues…..

  45. MZ. FED UP says:

    So here we go again, the disregard we have for another person’s life is truly unacceptable. What are these gunmen trying to prove? Haven’t the death of an innocent four year old made us start thinking that our actions need to be reflected on so that some positive changes could be reinforced? I’m here thinking what u people are trying to prove or are u trying to set a new death/murder record? This is extremely and utterly sad

  46. Anonymous says:

    every minute yu can hear gun shots or some one being shot..boy this is some XXXXX and it needs to stop.

  47. WHO CARES ?? says:

    Yes i agree put them at the garbage dump make them shoot at each other and the very last one standing will win the prize a trip to Northward forever

  48. Anonymous says:


    The same stories week after week with no solutions or end in sight.  No one seems to get a grip on  how  many guns  have reached our shores and rest in the hands of these criminals.  Pretty soon they will be taking the lives of good citizens instead of their kind.  

    The last time I checked  Colombia, Mexico, Jamaica, and Venezuela  had topped the list in Crime/Murders.  Please do not let our beautiful Islands become a statistic of the World Records.

    Let’s continue to pray for the betterment of these Islands. 

  49. Anonymous says:

    Need to do what they did in Brazil. Just round them up and dispose of them!

  50. sick n' tired says:

    Oh, and another thing! Maybe out of respect they should change the name of the road from Miss Daisy Lane. As am sure whomever "Miss Daisy" was, she is rolling over in her grave knowing this is the significance her name is connected to!

    This is pure disrespect!



  51. sick n' tired says:


    Gov’t needs to contact the British military or MI6 and get some REAL investagators on the streets!

    I understand that there AGAIN were young chidren who witnessed this terrifying incident!

    Way to go a-holes!

    They need to set up an old fashion western shoot out in Barkers area and see then who is the last man standing when the smoke clears!

    Ridiculous COWARD actions!

    "Gangsters" they called themself, yah say? I call them PUNKS with no jobs, no life and obviously NO GUTS!!


  52. Anonymous says:

    These thugs all need to go to one isolated spot and just kill each other and leave us good people alone. I am sick of hearing these gun shots now.

    • Anonymous says:

      I feel the same way and it seems that we here in West Bay have an unfair share of idiots.

    • Michael says:

      It Seems the RCIP have arrested all the good shots, all that is left is shooters that close their eyes when they pull the trigger.

    • Anonymous says:

      Unfortunately I suspect that Caymanians, and our guests, will have to get accustomed to the gunshots, as many of our Caribbean neighbours have had to do, as it is a component of that thing called "progress". If we want over development and all that comes with it, then it must be understood that crime is partand parcel of the whole deal.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well said!!!!!  How many are left now?

    • Pending says:

      Take them all down to the quarry pit, throw in enough guns for them all and sit back and let them slay each other. We can all then throw boulders and whatever else we can find at them from the top, take it back to the Roman times.

    • Anonymous says:

      I agree, othewise there will be more innocent victims like "Little Jeremiah".