Man stabbed in bag snatch
(CNS): A 28- year old male resident was taken to hospital last night after receiving a stab wound tohis back as he tried to retrieve a bag stolen from him at a beach bar. Detectives are appealing for witnesses to the stabbing, which took place near Calico Jacks by the Public Beach on West Bay Road sometime around 9pm on Saturday, 16 April. Police said that the man was approached by two other men asking for cigarettes when one of them snatched the bag that the victim was holding for his girlfriend. The muggers ran towards the beach and the victim chased the man with the bag, caught up with him and a struggle began. During the scuffle the second man stabbed the victim in the back.(Photo Dennie WarrenJr)
The muggers ran on the beach towards West Bay and made their escape. The description given to police was that one of the suspects was wearing a red shirt and the other an orange and white striped shirt.
The victim received non life threatening injuries to the left side of his back and was taken to the Cayman Islands Hospital, George Town, where he was admitted for treatment.
Anyone who was at Calico Jacks or along West Bay Road around 9:00pm and saw two males wearing the clothing described, witnessed the incident or saw anything suspicious are asked to contact West Bay CID. Information can be passed to West Bay Police Station 949-3999 or the confidential Crime Stoppers number 800-8477 (TIPS).
Category: Crime
Thinking outside the box
the RCIPS needs to start thinking outside the box,
i wonder what would happen if their uniforms got dirty and they lost their cap while chasing a suspect.
ever observed how many officers drive with the windows down in their cars and how many are on the cellphone while driving a marked vehicle
tourism is a part of the cayman islands and so it must be protected.
ideas for the police and department of tourism the two agencies with the highest budgets in cayman.
the police have wave runners and can obtain quad cycles to do the patrols on 7-mile beach and other areas that large crowds gather use of jeeps and other vehicles can be used they must be visible enough to draw attention
suggestion for the rcips and cita : Cayman Islands Visitor Safety Service because tourism police force is too much of an aggressive way of wording it
it can work just think outside the box.
30 officers could man a department like this very easily.
thin about it Commissioner of Police and CITA
The usual story of a few who ruin things for everyone! 8 foot fences are needed now?!?!
Only when every house and condo will have grill installed on their windows and doors will Cayman finally stand up and unite to fight the crime. I am afraid by then it will be too late….
Just heard on the radio that all Calico parties going forward will now be surrounded by an 8 ft fence with security searches, wands, and spot lights for any dark areas. Wow thank you thugs for ruining a perfectly nice feel good party atmosphere. There is nothing like feeling like you are in an airport lounge while on the beach with no access to the water. After a few months of this the crowds will dwindle so much I doubt it will be profitable for Calicos to throw full moon parties anymore. Shame.
Cayman’s real problem is that everyone who is responsible for doing anything about these conditions that prevail are frozen stiff with fear of stepping on the wrong toes so they do absolutely nothing at all…
No extra police presence at these events where there is now a history of incidents, no beefed-up security by the venue…
Not even more precaution taken by the party-goers.
This one got done by the oldest trick in the book…a stranger asks for a cigarette, a light, a bit of change…anything to distract the victim then snatches the bag, wallet, whatever and makes off…with the victim in chase…almost predictable result, actually.
When someone who I don’t know approaches me asking for anything. its a polite but very firm and alert , ‘I’m sorry but I can’t help you’ while maintaining eye contact and an alert body posture all the time they are in my personal space; they very soon get the message to move on.
Its a pity that we live in such a world now but people have to wisen up a bit.
Cayman’s police have operated under a policy of showing up too late to the fray deliberately so that incidents do not involve them being reported in the local and international press as having used or been involved in the use of force…after all, if they’re there, they might have to chase someone, take them down, handcuff and arrest them, all at the risk of being stabbed themselves.
Now we can’t have our precious RCIPS officers putting their precious little selves at risk like that, now can we ! and lawdy lawdy…
How will it look in the press ?!
The Police were on the radio yesterday talking about a crack down on bad driving. On Friday lunch time, I was heading from George Town to Bodden Town. All of a sudden, with no indication, an "unmarked" police car, swerved out from behind me to overtake. There were cars coming in the opposite direction. He could have caused an accident. He then drove off at at least 55 mph. I caught up with him about 5 minutes later because he got stuck behind another car. There was no need for him to overtake me as he was obviously not on his way to a crime scene. He could have caused an accident but the simple fact is, he would have blamed me or someone else if he had and because he’s a Police Officer, he would have gotten away with it. I’ve seen so many examples of bad bad driving from officers. Before you crack down on us, you need to lead by example. I wanted to report this driver to someone but felt it would be a complete waste of time. These Police often harrass the young men of this Island. Those who they know have no involvement in crime because they are too incompetent and too afraid to go after the bad guys. The Police need to look at their own first. Weed out the bad guys and start all over again with intelligent, caring people with lots of common sense. And your unmarked cars are so obvious that its not funny, so it you are using them for surveillance, its not going to work.
How fast were you driving?
Mandatory sentences for knife crimes need to be brought in-minimum 10 years…
The amount of young guys on this island that are carrying knives these days is astronomical-A 16 year old kid proudly showed me his butterfly knife one day proclaiming that he needed it for “protection on the streets”…says it all really…
No amount of cajoling could dissuade this kid from carrying the blade, nevermind the fact that the knife could be turned and used on him if he pulled it out! Won’t be long before he graduates from Thug University and gets a gun like all the other “real men” swaggering around…
It is clear that heavier legislation on knives would not have prevented this crime. Its band aid legislation that doesn’t focus on the true problem. I would hate to end up like they have it in London where you have to be 21 or over to buy a hammer.
We can create as many mandatory sentences as we want but it won’t help if our police don’t know how to investigate and convict the criminals!
Where else in the world is an item identical to a weapon used for a murder found in an accused individuals yard NOT SENT FOR TESTING?!?!?!?!?
It is hard for Mac and Co. to see crime…..they are never here!!!!!
Maybe if the thieves stole from him or his cronies, then we would see some action!!!
There were a lot of people at the party and a lot of photos being taken.
If you were there and even if you think you didn’t see anything, go through your photos to check if you might have a shot with someone wearing a red shirt or an orange and white striped shirt.
Your photo might just be what we need to identify these idiots.
The incident happended before 9pm, long before the majority of the crowd had arrived at Calico’s. In fact if my memory serves me correctly, there were more police on the scene than patrons…
Crime is down. We are safe. Ask McKeeva.
Never mind that this is the second person stabbed and robbed at Calicos this year.
We need to get back to our Christian heritage and repent. These crimes are clearly a punishment from the Almighty! And we must reinstall the death penalty for murder, rape, drug crimes and theft. This will deter criminals and all other Godless types that want to come to our blessed islands!
What an idiot.
He’s not alone… “If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.” (Matthew 18:7-9) ………………………. Whoever wrote this is an idiot. Cutting off your hand or gouging out an eye accomplishes nothing. If you are having a problem with unproductive behaviors, what you need to do is talk with a counselor or see a therapist. Self-amputation is absurd and repulsive. Jesus dispenses advice that is completely useless, and recklessly dangerous as well.
Its not meant to be read literally. Just as you would exaggerate a point that scripture just emphazizes and encourages people not to sin. And if why would going to see a connselor or a therapist help, you think just because they get paid for it they don’t have problems too? The messages Jesus ‘dispense’ is only useful to those who are too weak to sumbit to any form of higher authority.
Wait…your plan for restoring Christianity to Cayman is to take people who behave in an unchristian way…and kill them? Despite the fact that you believe these crimes are “clearly a punishment from the the Almighty” himself, which would make the “Godless types” some sort of holy messengers?
Brilliant
Why do you assume these are ‘expats’ “Godless types that want to come to our blessed islands!”, being a good christian I would hope that you would not be so quick to judge… why dont you wait for the facts!
Wow do you have an evil god…death for theft? I bet your god will also understand it is "frustration" of the youth if they turn out to be Caymanians.
You are not allowed to imprison people who are not christian – you must KILL THEM! Deuteronomy chapter 17 says:
“If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky… Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.” – Deut 17:2-7
No prison for them – your god commands you to kill them.
…and don’t forget swearing: “Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him.” (Lev 24:16) Is that for real? I mean Jesus Christ, who the hell thought that one up?
Guess which group has the highest proportion of their total population in prison by a large margin: a. Jews b. atheists c. Budhists d. Christians
While I agree with the posters that the “UDP Supporter” has some serious “issues”, I think you should not stoop to his level of ignorance.
Please don’t misuse the Bible for your ignorant convenience, it only shows you are as foolish as he/she is.
The Islands are blessed?
I thought it was the cheesemakers!
My understanding is that Rev Elmslie (for whom the church is named) only came here after all the other missionaries refused to come here due to the overwhelming sin of the Cayman Islanders.
Ain’t much changed.
Darlin’, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but the Godless types were here long before anyone else.
If you apply the death penalty aren’t you denying them their opportunity to repent?
And of course it had nothing to do with Caymanians.LMFAO
I am about sick of hearing people blame the Government, the RCIPS, Expats and foreigners for the Crime. It’s not their fault, it your fault Cayman, you are the ones who raised these thugs, harbor them in your homes and protect them with your silence. And you are also the ones the refuse to take responsibility for you own safety. It’s easy to blame other people when you yourselves are doing nothing to help. When will the Cayman people rise up and take a real stand against Crime. You’re too busy protesting against Sea Ports, Canals and Developers who are trying to enhance the Island when there hasn’t been one meeting about how the people can help fight Crime or anyone considering neighborhood watches. You chose to ignore all this and point the finger at others this is the biggest threat toyour community.
nj2cay you seem to have all the answers and are an expert on Caymanian crime; you need to put yourself up for some leadership position or advisory position on crime with the RCIPS or government they could really use the help as the leadership who have been in place for over 20 years are seriously lagging and are in need of your type of forward thinking.Your call to arms on Crime by the Caymanian people is a bit odd on one hand as your pointing finger puts blame squarely on them and leaves blameless armchair experts like yourself and absolves you and many like you who live here of any responsibility for the situation. You fit into the “not my problem” crowd yet you have mounds of advice. It is said that the problem with ignorance is that as it goes along it picks up confidence.
You seem to misunderstand me, I am not blaming anyone specific for the rise in Crime, but I do blame the people for not doing their part to stop it, and the RCIPS for not being prepared to handle it, as well as the government for not giving them the tools to tackle the job they have.
Throughout history, when outlaws got uncontrollable it was the people to rose up and took them down. I have issues with people that sit by doing nothing while pointing the finger at others saying it’s your fault.
I am not a expert on Crime in the Caymans or anywhere, but I have grown up in bad neighborhood and have witnessed firsthand the difference it makes when the people themselves decide to fight back with things like neighborhood watches and running to the aid of someone getting attacked. I’ve plenty of thugs get caught by the residents of the neighborhood and as a result didn’t or wasn’t able to do it again.
There’s plenty of blame to go around, and in my opinion everyone involved need to do their part to come up with a solution. Born Caymanians, Residents, Expats and Visitors as well…
My issues with the Cayman People is that no one has really taken a stance against crime. Not even the MLA’s have really taken a stance against crime they prefer to rally the people against politically motivated gripes only.
Show me one community meeting where the subject how we the people can put a stop to crime or protest the need for police to go after these thugs where they live.
These are just my opinions and are only meant to be taken as such.
The owners of the place where the full moon party should pay for more security (they make plenty of money on the event). Every full moon party there is an incident . If they don’t then remove their liquor licence
Or put security guards /police at each end of the property on the beach that stop anyone from entering the premises from the beach or loitering around down there.
I bet that those posts which were erected by DART the other blocking those beach entrances and which were subsequently taken down provide an easy getaway. What police need to do is check those on the nights of such events.
why do they always write "non-life threatening" or non-fatal injury??? What is the point of this detail?? Shot in the face a woman got last year was not fatal either. Sometime surviving the injury is worse than dying from it, it can leave a person disabled and suffering for the rest of his or her life. Some sort of sympathy is more appropriate.
And of course CI police never ever yet caught anyone fleeing a crime scene. it doesn’t probably even cross their minds that it not as hard as they might think- the island is the size of a Texas ranch and there are 400 people employed by police. . All they can do is to arrive to a crime scene and interview witnesses. ..what a useless waste of time.
you know what i found funny. after the incident, there was so many police officers present there. i mean i understand that you need to have some police officers, but the perpetrators are not going to stick around the scene of the crime are they? i would have thought they would have moved on to jet or margaritaville for their next crime. I just don’t understand the RCIPS…they just can’t justify the time that people spend on this.
I don’t think the RCIPS officers on scene were looking for the perpetrators – there were others doing that. The one’s on scene I suspect were interviewing people who were there at the time etc…etc…. there is more to investigating a crime than chasing the criminals – some crime scene investigation is necessary too. Think before you level criticisms for the sake of it. Your comments are ridiculous.
I’m sorry, but I didn’t see any of the RCIPS interviewing anyone. I saw three of them chatting to each other. Of course there is more to solving a crime, but honestly, the number of police officers that were there was unnecessary. Could you confirm whether anyone continued to make their presence felt anywhere else? I don’t think you could. They probably should have shut the whole full moon party down.
I think you should think before you make your asinine comments.
I’m not sure you can say much, because you obviously were not there.
You call that a description? How about relative age, height, weight, accent, skin color, – you know something of substance?
Were you there? Kinda hard to get a description in an absolutely dark location with very few witnesses. At least there’s something to go on.
There are street lights along the road strip at Calico Jacks and the bar area and seating areas are lit quite well, unless the person has a negative something vision, if someone comes close enough to get a cigarette and snatch a bag out of their hand. they must be able to make out SOME form of description, especially considering the moon is brightening up this week! You also do not need to SEE in order to make out an accent! Another note, it doesn’t take much estimate the height either considering if you know your own height and a dude stands next to you you can guess whether he is perhaps an inch or two taller or shorter than you are etc.. It is unnecessary to get a college degree to give a decent desription, it wasn’t too dark to determine the color clothes they had on, I’d think that would be more difficult than determining skin color and height. Are you a police officer? Sounds like it, ’tis no wonder our crimes do not get solved!Something to go on? Sure, I’d think they wouldn’t have changed their clothes yet too, everyone look out for a man in a red shirt and another in an orange and white striped!!!
Maybe they are trying to protect the privacy of the criminals?
Funny enough this is not the first time I have seen “criminal descriptions” so vague and meaningless. If they approached this man for a cigarette he MUST have been able to see their faces and skin colour, estimate their heights and weights, determine their accents and so on!
Oh I’m sorry, you must have missed the part in the article where it said that the guy was stabbed in the back. Yes they approached him and asked for a cigarette, but I’m sure the 1st thing on his mind was trying to re-count the exact details of these robbers after being stabbed.
I have read the article and understand it very well, it also happened days ago so the police should have (and probably haven’t because they are useless) gone to requestion the man, at least to get as much detail as to their descriptions as possible. I would be VERY interested in having the police arrest the man responsible for stabbing me if it had been me! The man also "ran after" the men, of course it is a devastating situation and it is probably not even the victim’s fault that a proper description hasn’t been released and I actually had not meant to have my comment sound like it was. But right now, for their safety and other patrons going to this location, it is imperative to rethink everything that took place! He was able enough to give an account of all the events leading up to the incident, why does everyone feel that the injury made this individual incapable of producing a description of the criminals?
Kind of hard to get a description from somoeone who was lying, bleeding, in an ambulance. Think before you criticise.
honestly? i really dont know what to say any more. its disgusting and out of control. im so sorry.
This location needs to amp up their security or risk loosing their liquor license and back off of public beach.
No, people need to stop robbing other people – simple
I suspect that there will be more robberies to come because these thugs have no money and no drugs to sell ( good job RCIP in stopping the delivery the other night). These work shy idiots have no cash flow now because they have nothing to sell. Police need to increase their presence as i am fearful there will be a lot more crime in the next few weeks.
That’s an excellent observation.
So the robbers ran off towards West Bay on the beach and were not caught? Sounds to me that a simple plan could have been executed quickly to catch these thugs.
Assuming the call was made to 911 within minutes of the event, a few officers could have been placed on the road and beach side at the WB cementary and the same at the Public Beach, a few along WB road in between these two points and then close the net. Even if it meant waiting until daylight, this plan could have flushed these thugs out. I guess that was too difficult for the RCIP to organise?
Really now, "Common Sense" do you think the RCIPs thinks like that, There was most likely a call to the Police where the person calling was asked one hundred and one questions before the got off the phone to call and notify the traffic police. The traffic police where probably redirected from Bodden Town when they could easily have used the West Bay and George town Police to seal off the roads and search every car. They probably though didn’t even arrive until the criminials were well safe in their homes in West Bay or wherever they were headed.
We don’t have a competent police force and until we get some experts in here( and I am not talking about the ones they bring from some small town England to retire here ) these crimes will continue to occur.
The present Commissioner is way out of his league but because he can talk a good line we just keep on patting him on the back. Our Country is going to hell in a hand basket and we have no one capable of turning it around.
The Governor needs to find a strong, well suited commisioner, who will not only talk the talk but will walk the walk. I am sick of the talk out of this present commissioner and he needs to go and someone with backbone and the know how needs to take charge, There needs to be a separate covert "armed" crime fighting unit with the police to deal with these types of situations. Crime will continue in this country because the criminals know exactly how weak the police are and that is why crime will continue to escalate.
And for the record "yes’ common sense needs to prevail!
Very well put. These really are just pathetic little wanna-be gansta’s. Create a task force with sufficient outside experts and resources to attack this plague. Give oversight to Deputy Commissioner Ennis as he has the intelligence, integrity and genuine concern for these islands required to ensure something is done and it is not merely a tropical vacation for the outsiders.
And as many here have written, certain members of society need to quit providing justification and protection to these parasites. Those that do are as guilty as the lazy cowardly criminals. All of Cayman society needs to realize these crimes will eventually effect them all directly and we and our families will no longer be able to move freely at night or be safe in our homes or autos.
Could not agree more. Either on foot or by car, we certainly have "pinch points" on the island and will some forethought of organization these thugs could be caught.
Simple= a RCIP officer listens to 911 calls and mobilizes a team that is standing by going about their regular Saturday night duties, but are ready to intercept the bad guys swiftly.
A permanent police check at the West Bay four way stop would have a significant crime reducing effect and protect the users of the West Bay Road area from the criminals who live up in the West Bay area.
And yes, I know there are many law-abiding citizens in West Bay. But there is also a significant proportion of the violent criminals and junkies.
This could be part of a three year war on crime. At the same time you need to stop the water traffic from WB through the north sound south that will occur because of the four way stop idea. It just keeps on going. But bottom line is someone needs to do something. Don’t see the elected government addressin crime right now , do you ?
The seat of Government is in West Bay and either they are in denial or do not want to upset their voting base by taking action and dealing with these criminals.
Tsk tsk, the police did not have enough “common sense” to try that method in broad daylight at 11am on a busy weekday when FCIB got robbed a few weeks ago much less on a less occupied public beach at night. We have an itsy bitsy widdle island and our untrained, unexperienced officers fload the burglar scene “armed and ready” AFTER the robbery (this cracks me up everytime I think about it) instead of stationing vehicles (that should already bemobilized and patrolling that day) along stop lights, roundabouts and “district pass-points” when FCIB was robbed (have the apprehended anyone yet by the way?) honestly hun it’s a fruitless battle with dingbats at the head of it all. I have never seen such lack of investigative skills, I think our officers should be forced to watch CSI and Cold Case Files 4 hours a day, maybe then they’d get some know-how!
They have no wit to be even ashamed…
I guess this is an isolated incident……the commissioner, the premier are all XXXX The commissioner "we are watching the 15 that are committing the crimes". I guess water was thrown on the 15 like the movie Gremlins and they multiplied!!! Does he hear himself on what he is saying. If you are watching them, how come the crimes are being committed???? The Premier, crime isn’t that bad…I don’t even know what to say about him anymore….
Arrests made guns and drugs, DUI woman hit, hitch hiker mugged and a man stabbed in the back while being robbed. As Mr. Bush said "crime is not as bad as the public thinks". Mr. Bush is incapable of change. Hisform of intimidation and spin doctoring politics no longer suits the Cayman Islands and her people. A politician spins the people because he is incapable of changing a pressing issue for the better. So spin it and point a finger. Cayman needs a new generation combined with some of the present MLA’s to help Cayman. Press the silent MLA’s to help Cayman now and change Cayman come election.
Why the xxxx you dont get off mac’s back? you blame him for everthing.
I hope that you are a hopefull candidate, and you get elected next election, and we will see what you will do about the crime.
The way you keep putting this man down, only means one thing…you want his seat….good luck
Ahmmmmm
The premier has stated “Crime is not as bad as the public thinks.”
Well yea it is, have you not noticed ?????? or you blind like McKeeva or its not affecting you in anyway ??????????
12:32…..apologies…..that post was mine. I am on Mr. Bush’s back as you say because he is failing the country and the people. 20 years is enough and the last two years, nothing has been done, nothing. We need less crime, better education system, fiscal responsibility on and on and on.
If Mr. Bush would do something, for his huge salary and benefits, and work for the people and the country I will accept him as the leader of the country, but he needs to earn the position and the respect and he hasn’t.
When the PPM was the govt everymorning Elio was on the ppm case and other UDP members blaming the PPm for all the crime I remember Perlina add on TV was PPM was causing all the crime and teen pregrancy,So If it was the then govt I guess these need to take some blame.
I remember during the campaign Perlina’s area of expertise was how crime had increased under the PPM and all that would be done to remedy that once the UDP took power.
Now that she is a paid advisor to all of the Ministers, I wonder why she hasn’t offered some advice on crime. Oh wait, I see she is headed to the feeding trough again.
This is the third Full Moon Party in a row where something like this has happened. First was a stabbing, then someone was hit over the head with a glass bottle in the toilets and then another stabbing. People are just out to have a good time and these pathetic, vile punks are out to spoil it for all.
Surely there were enough people there to have seen something?
Too right! We have our own version of a full moon party right here at home. It consists of a flashlight, shovel, and whatever new plants we have to get planted into Mother Earth! Our tomatoes are doing great along with other healthy food that is growing!
We will NOT ever attend any function on the beach after dark, full moon or otherwise…sad, late night swims used to be romantic and relaxing…maybe we should put in a pool….