Wild dogs roam West Bay
(CNS): A pack of dogs which apparently roams from the Northwest Point Road area in West Bay all the way to Cemetery Beach, viciously attacked a pet cat over the weekend, resulting in calls from concerned neighbours to capture these animals while imploring dog owners to keep their pets safely tethered. The pack of six dogs jumped a four-foot fence into Katie O’Neill’s yard on Watercourse Road at about 9:30pm Friday and went after her cat, mauling the animal and pulling one leg out of her hip socket. Despite an emergency trip to the vet, the cat couldn’t be saved because the injuries had resulted in paralysis from the midsection down, so she had to be euthanised. (Left: Sophie after the attack on an IV drip)
O’Neill is distraught over the incident and left wondering why these dogs, which have been involved in other violent attacks, have not been rounded up.
“I have spoken to several of my neighbours who have said these dogs are part of the same pack that have been roaming together for months. A few months ago, another cat was killed and left in a nearby yard,” O’Neill said.
On Friday night, she heard “a ruckus” in her yard, saw the dogs through a window and ran outside to chase them away, without realising they had already attacked her cat. The pack jumped the gate and ran off in the direction of a friend’s house.
She had her cat, Sophie, for 10 years and remains traumatised over the incident. “My cat was in our fenced-in yard. Why did those dogs come in our yard and attack her? She was so sweet and docile, and used to being around our Labrador. She did not deserve to be the object of a tug of war by vicious, rampaging dogs.” (Right: Katie O'Neill at the cat's grave in a corner of her yard)
She recounted how she found Sophie in the dark and brought her into the house, where she just lay on the floor, writhing in clear agony, bleeding from bite marks on her face, and prompting the emergency visit to the vet.
The death of her cat was “like losing a family member. I’m heartbroken and I wouldn’t want anyone else to go through this.”
After O’Neill’s house, the dogs wound up in the yard of her friend, Paul Rivers. He recounted how his family was awakened by the dogs, who were attempting to get to some hens he keeps in a coop. His aunt saw them attack the cage and ran them off. He spotted the dogs a few days later headed for Boggy Sand Road and noted one dog had a collar, indicating it had an owner.
The pack is identifiable by its leader, a white dog with black patches, which matched the description given by several different witnesses, including Mark Orr, chief conservation officer at the Department of Environment, who has had dealings with these animals. He said the description of the dogs matches what he has seen, notably the black-and-white dog.
In two separate instances, when he and other members of his department were on a beach in West Bay waiting for turtles to nest, the dogs chased the turtles back into the sea. His team ran them off and this happened again a few nights later. While no turtles were injured, these dogs remain of great concern, he said.
“They might pose a danger for the turtles. I don’t know that they would attack something that big but they will chase them into the sea and interrupt the nesting.
“I’d hate to see it if a nest hatched and the dogs found the hatchlings. That would definitely be a threat as they seem to be going after anything they can,” Orr said.
He added that they have been seen chasing iguanas and chickens, running over the road and through hedges and on beaches. “In general, these dogs can be quite a nuisance, posing a danger to pets and wild life. They are now attacking invasive species (such as green iguanas) but could switch to native species.” Orr added they needed to be trapped and brought to the Humane Society where they could be adopted or “take other action as necessary to lessen the number of wild dogs”.
Rivers, who owns a horseback-riding business, said a week-old foal was killed in 2008 by dogs whose owners had not kept them properly restrained. “I’d like to see more responsible ownership to begin with. They should be properly controlled or find the dogs another home.” If that fails, they might have to be euthanised, he added, saying that Animal Control needs to get them off the streets.
“It could escalate. There could be a small child outside their yard that could be attacked. Everybody should be concerned for the children. Someone’s child could be playing in their neighbourhood and dogs in pursuit of an iguana or chicken could scare them or run into them,” Rivers said.
According to Brian Crichlow, assistant director at the Department of Agriculture, anyone having a problem with stray dogs on their property can call the DoA to request traps be put on their land. “The Department does have a new Animal Welfare Officer Mr. Joel Ebanks, and he can be contacted through our office. The Department also continues to provide Animal Control services,” he said.
At press time, Crichlow was trying to confirm that there had been any requests for traps in regards to the particular pack of dogs that attacked O’Neill’s cat.
O’Neill is hoping to see a culture change among negligent pet owners. “I think it is unconscionable that people have animals and not care for them properly. A lot of times, I think people have dogs as cheap burglar alarms and that is what they are worth to them.”
As for the pack of dogs that attacked Sophie, she said, “I’d like to see these dogs captured before they can harm any other animals and even possibly small children. Do we have to wait for that to happen?”
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CHIP AND PIN FOR DOG OWNERS.
The situation here in the Cayman Island concerns myself and my husband a great deal.
We live by the airport and see stray dogs all the time on the road from Thompsons to Canana Bay.They are aften tryin to cross with Iguanas in their mouths.Yesterday Saturday there was a large black dog dead on the side if the road with its stomach torn open.
The plight of the stray dogs is sickening and owners should be made to license/or chip and pin their animals so the owners can be traced and fined if their animals are let loose to fend for themselves.
I have written to the DOA but have had no reply,I do feel so sorry for the people worried about the safety of their domestic animals, but I feel something awful will happen before anyone with any clout will sit up and take notice.
Amazing how this story gets more comments than a woman being brutally chopped up…up, we have lost it…
I keep my cats inside to avoid just this problem. It does not matter if its your yard, dogs will claw their way under, over, around or through most types of fences. Keep cats inside the house. This will also prevent cats from killing lizards and birds.
Dogs need to be kept inside a 5 ft tall fence. I've seen dogs get over 4 ft fences and I've seen them chew their way through wood fenses. Well maintained chainlink fences and cement are the only things I've not seem them get over, under, around or through. If you don't have that, keep the dog inside a reinforced back or front porch. Pet owners need to keep their dogs from causing harm to other pets and humans.
What I've also seen that is effective is a yard that uses a double fence system. The inner fence is where the dogs are kept, which keeps passing animals and humans safe and protects the house from robbers and the poison people throw into yards to be cruel or assist in theft from your property.
Cat owners might want to keep fire crackers handy for dogs that have become a pest. It won't hurt them but will scare most of them off, especially if your pet or child is at risk. While poison is illegal and cruel, I don't think the firecrackers are illegal. Someone may want to check if that is okay.
I thought I was the only one with a stray dog problem. The trap takes weeks to catch one of the many stray dogs ..and then the very next day they are back on the loose. Useless !! I bet you if the fine was $10,000 (and enforced !!), the stray dog problem will cease immediately.
But remember you all were fighting to ban paraquat. Agriculture department is useless so you take matters in hand and you are call murderer, in humane and the list goes on. But until a pack of wild dog attack your child, go after farm animals, garbage and yes the domisticated pet then you all cry for help and understand why animal control is required on these islands.
I don't blame the animal but the irresponsible pet owners who have dogs that breed and they dump the pups in the dykes or at thedump. If there's no animal control what are we to expect to happen? Soon there will be enough wild dogs and cats just like the green iguanas.
A few years ago I had 2 seperate instances of my cats being attacked by Rotweilers, fortunately we were able to get outside quickly and scare them off and save our beloved pets but overall spending over $2000 in vet fees, these dogs the same ones each time came into my yard to attack my cats, I have CCTV coverage of both attacks to this day. I reported the events and with the help of friends found where the dogs lived, I agreed to press charges…..that's as far as it went, It became quickly obvious that the police and the DOA did not want to get involved. I still encounter dogs causing havoc on my property and its always in the middle of the night. I have not had a proper nights sleep since the first attack and its constantly on my mind….we need to do something about this dire situation, people need to become responsible for their pets, until laws are enforced I'm sad to say things will not change.
I live in the area and I see the pack of dogs most evenings in the Turtle Farm parking lot. Unfortunately their owners are not being responsible, I have reported them to the police twice in the past 3 weeks. An officer who knew most of the owners visited them to deliver a flyer to tell them what the consequences of not securing their animals could result in. Just this week I called the West Bay Police station and I was told I have to inform the Dept. of Agriculture – I guess it depends on who answers the phone.
I've reported the dogs because I walk my own dog in the area every night with my toddler. The dogs gang up on my 5lb Maltese (who thinks he's about 50lbs). They appear to be trying to play but he's overwhelmed. I'm concernedfor the safety of my dog and my baby because I have to pick my dog up as they try to jump up and get him. So I get inbetween a pack of 6 dogs and an 18 month old baby. It pisses me off that I'm being a responsible pet owner by walking my registered dog on a leash and I have to cut my walk short when these dogs are out.
I wish no harm to the animals, they're acutally beautiful dogs but when another animal is around they're unpredictable. If the owners just fence them in their own yards then they won't be a problem.
Fire the dog.catcher and outsource the service to see results,it is so simple it scares me!
Gotta find him first. Then find out who and what he knows. Then pay him through age 65 plus money for duress and re-training.
Yeah please see what can be done about stray dogs.
My dog and the other neighborhood dogs are starting to be a nuisance to both myself and neighbors because they are constantly barking late in the night at these damn stray dogs. My dog is fenced and chained but once he knows there is a gang of dogs harassing him and the neighborhood dogs they/he WILL bark at them. I apologize to my neighbors about it. But I need my dog for protection against the real STRAYS…..CRACKHEAD thieves!!
Everyone needs protection and nothing can protect you better than an alert dog(s).
Yes indeed, come like Kingston now.
At least it is in West Bay. Never go there.
This is such a sad story! I do not know Katie but I feel her pain and extend my sincere condolences. How terrible that the lovely cat she loved and cared for had to suffer like that. Based on the postings here it appears that folks are not even sure exactly who is responsible for monitoring and dealng with this problem! The police, DOA or whomever, something needs to be done immediatey to remedy this situation. The elected member of pariament responsble needs to get cracking and rid the island of this threat!
If you can't feed your kids….you shouldn't be allowed to have a dog!
If you can't feed yourself…you shouldn't be allowed to have a dog!
If you depend on Social Services…you shouldn't be allowed to have a dog!
I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but look at the number of people on Social Services who have dogs tied up or left to roam in or near their yards. They are not responsible pet owners! How can you afford to properly care for an animal if you are depending on govt to take care of you?
Not harsh. I say if you can't care for a dog, you sure as hell shouldn't have kids!
Put me in charge. I need one van, a tranquiliser/dart gun and dog collar and a promise that all dogs I catch will be neutered and euthanised, or that owners wanting their dogs back will be charged CI$1,000 for the first offence, CI$5,000 for the second and be liable to jail time on the third. I personally guarantee to sort the entire island's problem in one month.
notalazyorincompetant.dogcatcher@givesadamn.com
I think you mean neutered OR euthanized. Otherwise it's just plain torture.
You sound like a violent psychopath.
They not the only wild things roaming West Bay.
On Sunday 10 days ago mid afternoon these 6 dogs were across the street from Caribbean Club on West Bay Road and basically dismembered a live chicken (a tug of war between a few of them). I took picture of them as was highly unusual to see a large aggressive pack, especially right beside mid West Bay Road. They also killed a large male iguana that we see feeding in the grassy patch across from Caribbean Club every few days. Kind of horrified my young daughter seeing the poor animal withering in pain (my daughter had nicknamed him 'Rusty')
This appears to be patterned behaviors for these aggressive dogs. Not good for these dogs to have to live like this.
They did the same to our cat, ripping it apart. It is only a matter of time until it happens to a small child. Something needs to be done now before it is too late.
There are a number of feral packs roaming West Bay and Bodden Town that could do with being shot! Dogs are only one of them.
Many years ago – over 15 now, my cat was hauled out of a screened in porch by a pack of dogs and killed. They ripped the screen to get at her. A few days later, the same dogs killed a cow kept nearby. The owner of the cow shot the dogs.
A month ago, my neighbor's dog came into my (fenced) yard and lunged at my son. Luckily I was there and hit the dog on the head with a rake while pushing my son out of the way. About 6 months ago I was bitten on the leg by another neighbor's dog on my road. The dog was loose and ran out of the owner's unfenced yard. The bite would have been worse, but I was carrying a bag and used it to hit the dog as hard as I could until it released its jaws. All of these attacks were UNPROVOKED and the result of irresponsible dog ownership.
My point: If these dogs attack me and mine I will kill them myself if necessary. Better to euthanise them so they have a humane death. Just round them up and put them down if there is no one willing to care for them. They are nothing but a nuisance and a danger.
I am also a dog owner, but a responsible one.
What is being done. All dogs should be on leads.
to post 12.22 it is not the DOE it the DOA that is supposed to handle this. There are dogs laws but the RCIP don't care & can't be bothered to deal with any situation. It happened to me a while back, attacked by a pitbull belonging to the next door neighbour, whislt walking my dog on his lead for his bed time pee it was horrid the owners did nothing & it took RCIP 20 mins to come out after we made a 911 call so go figure.
So what number should we call.
We seriously need to clean up the police. It seems many do not care or ignore their responsibility to enforce all laws. Pitbulls have been illegal for decades, Excessive tint is illegal, shoplifting is illegal, smoking ganja is illegal, and yet this is seen openly in our society today. Why do the plice not act?
RCIPS new motto:
We DON'T care!
We DON'T listen!
We DON'T act!
Too expensive to change the graphics on the cars though . . . .
Very sorry for your loss Katie.
Our cat was attacked several years ago by a pack of dogs outside a small condo complex in George Town (off the main road) we found him hiding inside our car engine and the dogs were circling the car waiting for him to come out. We chased the dogs off and we got our cat out of the car and he was very badly injured. We took him immediately to the vet and the vet told us he was lucky to be alive his entire stomach was open and he needed emergency surgery. She had seen many similar cases of wild packs of dogs attacking cats and also owners dogs doing the same. Luckily our cat is still alive today but he is frightened at every slight noise and has never been the same since the attack.
Hopeful that Government will do something to make sure dog owners care for their animals properly and securely on their properties and keep strays under control.
Government has done all it needs to. It has passed the laws we need. It is up to the police to enforce them. They do not.
This is such a common, sickening, response by our police force to what should be their job.
This is so upsetting. My condolences to the owner. Such an awful thing to happen. Please round up these wild pack dogs and have them destroyed before they attack a child. As another post said this should be a relatively easy problem to fix. It's not like they need to be re-housed or take up space in the Humane Society. They are a serious issue and need to be dealt with accordingly.
Animal control do not try – if they did then there would not be a problem. It is ludicrous that an island of this size has a problem of this nature so large. Wake up Cayman Government and sort out your mess.
What a shame, people in Cayman are not allow to protect themselves from crooks. And the also are not allowed to protect thier pets from wild dogs. If a wild dog kills 100 cats and then someone kils the dog, they actually get arrested.Cayman is obviously more on the side of Crooks and wild dogs then they are of law abiding citizens and innocent pets.
I saw this same pack of 6 dogs running and roaming on the round-a-bout near
Cost U Less last Friday at about 4:30PM. There are many childeren in that area
that could fall victim to this vicious pack. Nothing will be done until a human is
victimized by these dogs, then it will be sadly too late.
Lets sort it out now.
It is the owners fault but you cannot educate the uneducated. The dogs only raom as they are no longer part of a family that wanted it in the beginning. DOA don't do anything don't even know if they have a new animal control officer! The last one wasn't up to much of anythinng anyways. You'd call & get a mumble & excuses & that was that. I would rather see a dog euthanised that treat so badly that they have no water or dog food but you see the aluminium cooking tray just throw down for them with scraps in, just like the poor puppy after you pass Northward coming to town. Humane society should be held responesible to if they are allowing people to get animals & this is how they live chained to a tree & food thrown at them randomly! Disgusting. Round the West Bayers up who had the dogs & euthanise them for being irresponsible so called owners.
You can educate the uneducated. That should be the over-riding principle of society. And even if there are those that don't want to listen to education – it should be a specific crime to let your dog get loose. There should be stiff fines and penalties and any offense of attack, on a child, adult, or other animal should be a criminal offence.
Same thing happening in Beach Bay. My road is full of dogs roaming the streets all day long and they aren't stray they belong to my neighbours who don't have fenced in yards and let them out so they don't have to walk them or don't want them in the house. We can't walk down our street without the fear of being barked at or attacked. You just have to see people walk up and down Beach Bay Road with sticks to protect themselves as they are frightened they are going to get attacked by dogs. The dogs come into our garden and cr.p everywhere which is a health hazard to my children.
Owners should be responsible and keep their dogs inside their property and have their own fences it should be made a law to keep them off the streets or face a fine, simple! Every other country does it why is it so different here? The Animal Law is so out of date now and needs to be updated and amended.
Feral dogs form packs that are dangerous. Their whole existence revolves around the need for food. In St. Louis in the year 2000, a 10-year-old boy was attacked and killed by a pack of stray dogs. Police Chief Ron Henderson told the St. Louis Post Dispatch: "They were feeding off this kid."
Stray dogs in Cayman are exposed to every type of parasitic infestation. It's brutal out there for them. When they are desperate they pose a danger to humans as well as wild animals. Tip for the DOA: There is a large pack that hangs out in the area behind Sparkey Drive. I've seen them on the road to Mount Trashmore many times.
Traps do NOT work! These wild dogs know how to navigate traffic and they sure as heck know a trap when they see one. It is necessary for someone to actually round them up. Putting down a trap and hoping for the best is a lazy method that does not work. Get it together DOE.
DOA perhaps, not DOE
Yes – DOA please, PLEASE do something about this! I lost my cat in the Tropical Gardens area to a pack of dogs along with at least 4 other owners that I know of. It is out of control and the time to act is now. Capture dogs and release them to the owners at a cost. Even if they have collars on. After a certain amount of time give them to the shelter or euthanize them if that isn't possible. Sounds harsh but it is absolutely necessary. Responsibility lies with the owner, if there is even an owner. Cats roaming outside is also a problem to other wildlife but they generally stay close to home. Spay and Neuter are MUSTS unless you are a responsible breeder.
Shoot the owners, put the dogs in care. Simple, no careless owners, no stray dogs in future..
Sorry for your lost
how is this news?
It's not. It's just pointing out again that there are some very irresponsible, mostly worthless to society people in our midst. That's all. No 'news'
You are an a.. Hole
Just terrible. A few weeks ago my son was attacked and bitten in the face by SOMEONE's dog, police were called and they informed me that the person would pay the hospital bill. I said to them that's it, nothing is going to happen to the dog, nothing is going to happen to the owner. He leaves the dog untied so that it can happen to someone else? The police didn't care and nothing further was done. Had my son's injuries been worse, lets just say i would have taken the law into my own hands. There has got to be accoutability or it will never stop. These owners need to be heavily fined or put in jail, only then will they take responsibility.
Even in cartoons they keep the cats inside at night ……..
This happened in the day.
Cats should be kept indoors ………or at least that is what the humane society recommends.
My cat loves being outside in the garden and I would never deny her of that enjoyment. People need to keep their vicious animals locked up!!!
The only reason this is necessary is BECAUSE of the stray dog/pack problem. Solve that issue and the cats need no longer be under house arrest! Should I have to keep my (14) chickens indoors as well? There used to be over 20, but the stray dogs have killed nearly half of them. I keep them confined to the yard, and yet the dogs still encroach & kill off my egg suppliers!
This cat was in a fenced, private yard! Should kids be kept indoors?! Maybe so as long as nothing will done about dogs and crappy dog owners here.
what does the humane society recommed we do with our children? Or does it have to go that far…..
What about chicken? Indoors. What about children? Indoors? What about chickens? Cyclists? Indoors?
This is why we have such a problem with dog poisoning! Banning Paraquat will not do any good, as any insect or rodent control prodiuct will achieve the same results! NO ACTION on matters of such importance causes people to have to deal with the problem the only way they can! In any CIVILISED COUNTRY, a pet owner would simply shoot stray dogs who invade their [fenced] property or attack their pets/livestock therein. The law would be ON THEIR SIDE and the problem would be solved, permanently. Under our own constitution a person has the RIGHT to defend LIFE and PROPERTY!
In cases where dogs are trapped and impounded there should be a FEE of $250 (or more!) to reclaim the animal, ONLY AFTER being madatorily spayed/neutered so that more nuisances cannot be bred. Failure to properly restrain and control an animal should have REAL CONSEQUENCES. I know of a specific dog that has been trapped at least 5 times and returned to the irresponsible owner time and time again. It is also a still fertile male pit bull, as I see it breeding often. Also, why are 'prohibited breed' stray dogs returned to 'owners' rather than being euthanized?? Problem solved!
Until such matters are addressed and corrected by the proper authorities the poisoning of nuisance dogs, and deaths of innocent pets & livestock will continue. Time to deal with it, or suffer the results. People will only tolerate such damages and inaction of the peoper authorities briefly before they resort to their own remedies.
STOP THE NONSENSE and LAME EXCUSES!!
In a civalised country people shoot dogs in their garden? Yea… right! In a civalised country you don't usually have packs of wild dogs. And re paraquat that stuff can kill humans too- the difference is there is NO TREATMENT- not fora human either- that is why it needs to be banned! Other poisons can be treated if for example a child is poisoned.
I have said many times when it comes to some dog owners we are no better than a third world country.
It's absolutley ridiculous that one must call to get a trap in their yard for the dogs. What about people that have fenced yards but must put garbage outside the fence for pick up. Unless the garbage is under lock and key, the roaming dogs get to it and make a mess. Traps in the yard are not the answer. How about them doing their job and picking the dogs up off of the street where they shouldn't be anyway, and taking them to the DOA facility.
These dogs cause numerous problems on the road, not just in people's yard. As a responsible pet owner, I can't even walk my dog on a leash in my neighborhood because of the roaming dogs.
This has been a problem for years and the DOA does absolutely nothing to control it. Ridiculous
Drive through a certain neighbourhood in West Bay and you will see dogs owned by former and current elected officials running free in the streets.
If our current and formers leaders will not follow the law how can we expect others to.
You have hit the nail on the head for a bushel full of Caymans flaws!
The community CAN rise up on this one. Come on bloody Politiicians and Civil Service zzzzz. This is not the dump, nor gas boy, nor jobs for locals, this is a SIMPLE fix and we should ALL be up in arms if the Dept of Agriculture or Animal Control does not have this under control.
I recall about 15 years ago seing the (then) dog catcher spend most of his afternoons at his girlfriends house and we laughed, but it is not laughinh matter now and strict ENFORCEMENT must begin!
I have a neighbor who has bought and is abusing a puppy chained up to bark 24/7 but my calls for action have fallen on deaf ears. Impose fines, stop the breeding, (easy go online and call the ads- duh police.) and start to prosecute this!!
Zero tolerance must start somewhere.
We have an animal control unit. Get them to shoot the dogs. Easy as that. One of our cats was mauled by a neighbour's dogs in West Bay (Batabano area). He had no fence and was totally unconcerned about his dogs. I vowed then that if it ever happened again, I would return his dogs to him the same way I found my cat. All these stray dogs can be dealt with quite easily, if the powers that be would only put their minds to it.
You seriously trust the animal control unit to shoot them? I worked in a middle eastern country where the army snipers used feral dogs as training aids and even they had problems taking them out at times.
I am very sorry for your loss Miss Katie. A pack of dogs also mauled a cat to death in someone else's yard in Yacht Club a few nights ago and my cat was killed in my yard in GT by dogs so it seems we are running into a problem here like many years back when packs of dogs roamed the island "hunting". I am afraid for the horses and cattle that are vulnerable to these dogs. Its time for DOA to get on this situation and get it under control once again or this will escalate. You know there is a problem so get out there and do something.
Katie, we feel for you and are sorry to hear about Sophie. The end of life should be easy not violent! We have been attacked by a different set of dogs only to have the police believe an owner's promise to have a fence and gate – over a year later the same dogs continue to run loose almost every morning down Conch Pt Rd
DO NOT rely on the police here. For god sake they DO NOT CARE. It's not in them.
This must have been the same pack of dogs I saw in the video of the dog killed at the WB beach.
WOW … not that long ago we were reading about Sandra Catron having an issue with a neighbor's dog. What is WRONG with irresonsible pet owners?
The same thing is happening in Bodden Town. And people are still breeding their dogs and selling to all and sundry for $300. Animal Control tries but they can't keep up.
Why are people even breeding them?! There's lots in the Humane Society up for adoption!
They are selling the puppies that's why they are breeding them. Plain and simple.
The law is not enforced, it is as simple as that!
I don't disagree with you, but if there were no customers because all of the people wanting a dog went to the HumaneSociety or asked at CARE and found their four legged friend this way then there would be no money in it for the breeders. Plain and simple.
The sort of low class people we are talking about who want to buy the kind of puppies we are talking about will NOT have anything to do with CARE or Humane Society. Sorry to be so blunt but I live near them. They are not lawyers, bankers, teachers, nurses etc. They are"sons and daughers of the soil".
They miss their daddies.
Animal Control does not try – if they did there would not be a problem. It is ludicrous that an island of this size should have a problem of this nature as big as it does. Wake up Cayman Goverment and start sorting out your mess.