Bush visits Golding during Jamaica trip
(CNS): The country’s premier is returning to the Cayman Islands today following a short visit to Jamaica, where he dropped in to visit Prime Minister Bruce Golding. Although no official comment has been released from the premier’s office about why McKeeva Bush was in the neighbouring country, Chinese Harbour Engineering Company Ltd, the firm which is now understood to be developing the cruise berthing facility in George Town, is currently working in Jamaica. When he called on Jamaica's leader Bush said the “usual strained relations between Jamaicans and native Caymanians” were good. Bush also told Golding about the plans for the cruise facilities.
According to a CARICOM release, the Cayman premier and tourism minister told the Jamaican prime minister that business was doing well and that there were development plans to expand the tourism product with the construction of the deep water harbour to accommodate mega cruise ships.
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Not everyone born in Cayman is a Caymanian, a Caymanian is any person who is born of a Caymanian mother and has a Caymanian grandmother, anyone else is plain and simple a foreigner, mothers raise children and where your mother and grandmother was born and came from that's your nationality.
Plain and simple if you were born in the USA, Jamaica or Honduras and your mother and grandmother is a Caymanian then you are a Caymanian.
If you were born in Cayman of a Caymanian father and a foreign mother you are a Caymanian but of a lesser degree than if you mother was the Caymanian as mothers raise children.
Plain and simple mothers raise children so if you are a second generation Caymanian of a Cayman born mother and grandmother you are a true Caymanian.
If your mother was born here but her mother was a foreigner you are a foreigner, your children if they are born here will be Caymanian. One generation or being born here does not make one Caymanian.
At the moment in the UK if any foreigner has a child there that child is not British and is not entitled to any benefits of a UK citizen, check it out and you will see this law is passed down from the UK this is not a Cayman law. So call up your human rights on this. People from first world countries take their children back to their countries and give them their citizenship and when the children become of age they come back to Cayman if they want to, but why do people from third world countries are always forcing the effort to have their children certified at Caymanians when plain and simple they ae not.
"…a Caymanian is any person who is born of a Caymanian mother and has a Caymanian grandmother, anyone else is plain and simple a foreigner, mothers raise children and where your mother and grandmother was born and came from that's your nationality…If you were born in Cayman of a Caymanian father and a foreign mother you are a Caymanian but of a lesser degree than if you mother was the Caymanian as mothers raise children".
I am afraid your definition of Caymanian is not correct either as a matter of law or common understanding. No Caymanian grandmother is required and there is far too much emphasis on the maternal lineage. A child born in Cayman where either parent is a Caymanian is a Caymanian. My children are born of a Caymanian father and a non-Caymanian mother in Cayman and are raised in Cayman. They are as Caymanian as any other children. This is their home and cultural identity.
Stop! Jamaicanmecrazy
No Slaves then….your free to go.
Sincerely, Slave Master
The slaves have lots of right “1835” the masters are the ones that need to go! That’s the major problem some so think plantations are still here.
And you can also check out what happen 1586.
Mac reporting to his Master…..aka "The Gold"………I suppose we could call Mac "The Bush"
Another mass status grant will be the knife in our heart.
Why do Jamaicans or anyone else believe that the Cayman Islands owe them anything for coming here?
1. No one forced them to come here, there had to be some incentive for them to move here?
2. Native Caymanians do not go any place in the world and try to take over and tell the people of that country just how much we do or contribute and believe me Caymanians are very beloved where ever they go just look at the communities that they live in the USA and elsewhere.
3. Native Caymanians are friendly and good natured and everywhere that we go people love us.
4. Jamaicans have always benefited more from the Cayman Islands than Cayman from Jamaica. Many Jamaica have gotten a better life from living and working here. Many came to these islands with little or no money to invest I cannot say the same about Caymanians who went to Jamaica.
Please stop the hate, Jamaicans realise that the Cayman Islands do not owe you anything for coming here, we don't hear this foolishness from the Americans who did much more for Caymanians because it was their ships that Caymanian men sailed to build this country.
As for helping us after hurricane Ivan, let me know how many came here to help and work for the Cayman Islands for free. Thank God that the Brackers were smart enought to clean up after the hurricane, atleast the Jamicans won't brag about that. Caymanians should always remember there are certain people that you should not accept anything from. These people are ungrateful they only remember the little that they did for you but not the lot that you do for them. Keep the VISA on, less is best.
Why do Caymanians feel that all expats who come here to work (mainly Jamaicans) want to remain and build a life here till death do them part? Get real….expats come here soley to earn the almighty dollar. How many of the average expats do you think actually put back in the economy i.e. buying homes, expensive vehicles, nannies etc…Cayman is a cash cow…milk it and leave. You people give this expensive island of 76 square miles waaaayyyyyy too much credit. It's not the end all be all….on to the next one!
Would you have cleaned up the mess Ivan left this island in for free? Especially when this is not even your own country….please give me a break you sound like an idiot. Wonder what the island would resemble now had it not been for those Jamaican's help to repair it. Money talks! Born Caymanian here.
With all due respect it’s quite ironic that you vent you anger in this manner. You reasoning are based on pure hate, I am confident your opinions are not shared by majority of the Brac population. You are twisted and you might want to do some research on the early “wealthy” Jamaicans (not our slave forefathers) who came here and why they did so. We continue to value our islands its people like you who give the impression we are all haters. Please keep you hate to yourself, you don’t represent the Cayman people, unless of course you are an elected member.” You might want to go and get some money and run in the next election” then you would have been chosen.
By the way there is no such thing as native Caymanians. Dah !!!!!!!
Only slave and slave master do the math.
Mulatto: cross between slave and slave master (Obama)
Actually there is such a thing as a native Caymanian. I am one. Native simply means that you were Caymanian at birth. To illustrate further "the Nativity" refers to the birth of Christ. Native is often used incorrectly to mean indigenous.
Tell that to the immigration department next time a child is born to foreign parents! That’s also one for the net immigration laws.
I am not sure I follow. A born Caymanian is one who is a Caymanian at birth. How exactly would that apply to a child born of foreign parents? By definition such a child is not born a Caymanian.
That is according to the arbitrary immigration laws of the Cayman Islands, which have created far more problems than it has solved.
Universally, a child is the nationality of the country in which it was born, not the nationality in which its parents were born.
Many Caymanian parents have had children born in the USA and Jamaica for purely medical reasons and those children have every right to claim the nationality of the country of their birth, thus many Caymanians with US passports and citizenship.
The Cayman Islands is blatantly out of step with universal laws on this one.
If you are going to write to rebut someone else please ensure that you have done the appropriate research and actually know what you are talking about. It is absolutely false to state that "universally, a child is the nationality of the country in which it was born, not the nationality in which its parents were born". There is a choice of two rules: (1) Jus soli – where citizenship is awarded by virtue of your birth in a country; and (2) Jus Sanguinis – citizenship by descent, or citizenship by “right of blood.” . The overwhelming majority of the world’s countries do not offer automatic citizenship to everyone born within their borders. The United States and Canada are the only advanced economies in the world which grant automatic birthright citizenship to children of illegal and temporary aliens. Most countries practice jus sanguinis. Under this system, a child acquires the parent’s citizenship upon birth.
tell that to the British…. when they look down on you and call you a Caymanian, a native…. it means a completely different thing like inferior
I do. That is simply a reflection of their ignorance and racism. I am not intimidated by it. I am proud of my Caymanian heritage.
"These people are ungrateful they only remember the little that they did for you but not the lot that you do for them. Keep the VISA on, less is best."
Excuse me… "These people"???
I understand that there are many "ungrateful" people, and for sure you are one of the few that's a racist.
wait a minute, I thought the majority of true caymanians were Jamaican.
You thought wrong.
Crime rate is going down in Jamaica (48% decline since last year)
Infrastructure is improving greatly (Highway 2000, JDIP, New Airports, etc)
Inflation has stabilized and is falling
Economy is beginning to grow
We do have our problems but we are solving them.
I won't point out the problems that The UK and to a certain extent Cayman are facing.
Una go sit down – McKeeva is loved and adored more by the Jamaicians than he is by the Caymanians. Why, because they know a good leader when they see one.
Love you too McKeeva – a Caymanian
I am a Caymanian and I am sick to my stomach with my fellow country men/women. Everytime an article is posted in relation to Jamaica, they are ready for an attack; ask them for a input on the way forward for educating Caymanians, developing and creating jobs for our young people, try and find out thier views on how many of our children are leaving school unprepared for the work force and will not be able to obtain teritary education – they have no clue; cause these things dont require hatered and running your brother down.
Caymanians we claim to be a christian nation – the bible i read tell me to take the beam from my eyes before that of my brother; opps sorry we have selected reading and most have never read that verse. My fellow Caymanians we have enough beam of our own – lots in our closet, lots under the rug, maybe we should start and when we have remove our beam them we look at others. For God sake leave Jamaica and the Jamaicans alone, your sick comments only show the world how much a hatred and envious people we are.
To 16.02, your facts are interesting, but you forgot to include how many pounds of marijuana or kilos of cocaine are shipped from here to Jamaica. We farm it here, right.
16.02 How many status grants are going to be given this time around? Is that a trade off? Bring more and increase the pauper list.
No need to worry about the British. While you were watching T & C, DART bought you.
It would be interesting to run a real survey to find out the percentage of the Cayman population that is actually of Jamaican decent. The figures might be heart breaking. But again some of the worst comments come from people of Jamaican decent. Wonder why?????????
Was dat your Canoe or ours?….mista Goldin une know the current only flow North.
… Dudus doin jes fine. Thanx for askin….
Birds of a feather flock together!
"So tell me, how come you are still the premier"? "And I suppose you are wondering how I am still PM, hahaha! Those poor people don't know any better hahaha"!
…..Now tell me, xactly how duz we go about settin up some o dem garrison communities
Nu worry yuh self…
MacDaddy soon show u how.
Im getting the blueprint from Golding LOL!
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I am not sure what part of the globe you are from; but let me update you in regards to the accomplishment of your next door neighbor (Jamaica):
1. accomplished more that most countires in the world in terms sports, arts, Literature, Music and many other accomplishments that I will not find the time to name.
2. the country possessed some of the best infrastucture in the world in terms of: roads, communication, Airports, Cruise ships ports (3 major ports for your information) and some of the best hotels in the world
When you are talking about survive there: Please what are you trying to say??? do you think the majorty of us living here are not experiencing difficulties. (just yake a look around you)
3. for the sake of those who may not know about the numerous developments taking place in jamaica, please do not communicate false information. YES THE COUNTRY HAS CHALLENGES BUT TELL ONE COUNTRY WITHOUT PROBLEMS… NEXT TIME PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
Well if it's that great and you are from there then GO Home! and if you are not then apply for a visa and move there. Simple really.
The only difference is Jamaica can sustain itself so in all fairness Jamaica would be in a much better place if Cayman was in a similar position so factor that in when making comparisons.
Bush knows how to influence the poor and lesser fortunate, they are the masses. We had excellent relations with Jamaicans for many years until Bush started stirring up trouble and dividing and conquering them to vote for him.
Birds of a feather flock together are we sure Golding real name is Bush .
Wot no tie??????
"When he called on Jamaica's leader Bush said the “usual strained relations between Jamaicans and native Caymanians” were good"
Huh? What on earth does that mean? It seems to mean that it is good thing that we usually have strained relations between Jamaicans and Caymanians. Hopefully that is not what he actually said.
I am sure boasting about projects that are not cleared to proceed will endure him to our neighbours.
I think you meant "endear" him with our neighbours. Unfortunately, we are the ones who have to "endure" him.
He must have been reporting to his master if he can him about the plans that he hasn't had time to share with Caymanians.
The "relations between Jamaicans and native Caymanians" were always good. Until it was some years ago that Cayman put visa restrictions on Jamaicans, and in response Jamaica put visa restrictions on Caymanians, effecting the so many Caymanian-Jamaican families on the island and their travels. I believe it was under PPM's tenure that this took place, because ofthe rise of crime. But guess what? To date, did it ever helped our crime situation?
Jamaicans (such like our late Sir Vassel Johnson – a Jamaican who was a Caymanian at heart) were our closest partners in building up Cayman's society between the 1960's to 1980's. It was when we were down, that Jamaicans helped us up – despite the so many ungrateful and biased people here that were ready to cut them down.
We have to give God thanks for the close ties we have with Jamaica.
sir vassel was british! he was knighted by the queen. he as no ray of jamaican or caymanian in his blood. the british are the only ones that can get this country back up and running
Huh? Caymanians are British and may be knighted. HM is still Head of State for Jamaica and Jamaicans may also be knighted.
lol… sir vassel british???
Do you mean like the good job they are doing in TCI where they cannot even pay the TCI government's electricity bills?
Pitbull, you need to be corrected. Sir Vassel, one of our financial heroes was BORN in Jamaica. Please spare us… all I can see is ego and ignorance in your remark.
Wa kinda food they feeding u pit bull fair vas sell was Jamaican,know ya history read and ye shall be educated.
This should settle the argument:
" Widely regarded as the architect of the Cayman Islands financial industry and the first Caymanian to be knighted, Sir Vassel Godfrey Johnson has been praised for his “remarkable vision” and “economic legacy”.
Sir Vassel, as he was widely known, passed away the evening of Wednesday, 12 November at the age of 86.
He was born in Jamaica on 18 January 1922…"
According to Cayman Finances, http://www.caymanfinances.com/Industry-News/sir-vassel-johnson-a-life-remembered.html .
Please don't try to turn this into a partisan issue. The plans for a visa for Jamaicans was in the planning under the previous UDP govt before the PPM took power. The need for it was recognised for many years and it was only because of the close ties between the two countries that its introduction was delayed.
Of course a visa alone is not sufficient to fight imported crime when there are illegal landings and it is not accompanied by fingerprinting to prove identity of the visa holder. Meanwhile local crime has also increased.
Cayman has now relaxed that visa restriction for Jamaicans holding US visas. If Jamaica is interested in improving "strained relations" then it should remove the visa restriction for Caymanians as there was no cause, other than spite, for it in the first instance. So far it seems to be all one way.
Sorry buddy – Cayman has proposed to relaxed visa restriction – not now relaxed
anonymous @ 11:42 roll over and visa for Jamaicans planned by the UDP govt,agreed 100%………….roll over and visa for Jamaicans carried out and put into action by the fool fool PPM govt.,you have no choice but to agree with me (100% at that) The UDP was smart enough not to put r.o. and visa policy into action,what a big mistake by them mistake people.
You said: "If Jamaica is interested in improving "strained relations" then it should remove the visa restriction for Caymanians as there was no cause, other than spite, for it in the first instance."
Boy you fool – fool, you don't know anything about diplomatic relations! You seem to not understand that Jamaica took the visa restrictions from us as a "spiteful" act. Hence, since we were the ones who FIRST caused the restriction, we should be the ones to remove it – not them!
You are a simpleton. Countries throughout the world have visa restrictions on Jamaicans, and for good reason, yet Jamaica has never responded in that way. Jamaica is fully aware of the problems other countries have with its citizens.
So sorry if I stepped on your corn toe!!!!
"Cayman has now relaxed that visa restriction for Jamaicans holding US visas"
This is not so. The Premier promised to have it done but to date no such amendment has been done.
I stand corrected.
It is a shame that we Caymanians have to get a visa to go to Jamaica. After all we are not going there to look work. This visa thing with Jamaicans was all about trying to screen those criminals that was shipped out from New York, Canada, England and else where. We know too that we do have some here from illegal entrys, however the Visa introduction has helped. If we get any closer to Jamaica its only to have their flag hanging. Almost every Caymanian knows who introduced ganga to Cayman and had it growing at large. Thank God that we have something going with England, and I hope that it stays that way.
This coming from a Caymanian…..we are an ungrateful bunch. We forget the times Cayman heavily relied on Jamaica for just about everything. First it was Jamaicans are the only ones who commit crimes here, get rid of them and crime still on the rise.
When you say Cayman relied heavily on Jamaica for everything are you referring to Jamaica the British Crown Colony that was administered by England or Jamaica the independant crisis ridden nation? I don't think we depended on jamaica for anything since they became independant.
what you are saying is like people on Grand Cayman saying that Cayman Brac depends on us for everything but then we are all part of one British Crown Colony just two different islands administered under the same umbrella. Your argument is flawed.
Strained relations between Jamaicans and Caymanians did not start with the introduction of the visa. I am sure you know better.
The people most responsible for building Cayman are CAYMANIANS! Anyone else who helped in anyway did it for what they could get out of it, not because of their love for Cayman (maybe in time some of those foreigners who came here to make a living for themselves eventually got to love Cayman). So pleeeeeeeeease stop with that nonsense that it was foreigners that built Cayman, IT WAS CAYMANIANS that built Cayman with the help of some foreigners who came here to earn a living for their families. GEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZ! Cayman is the greatest place on earth & Caymanians made it so!
It is good to know that we are reaching out to our neighbors. Most of McKeeva's travels should have been in the Caribbean, and such diplomacy should have been encouraged by all our MLA's. Jamaica has alot to offer Cayman.
This Caymanian is very grateful to the many Jamaicans who worked tirelessly to clean up and repair Grand Cayman after Ivan. In the blazing sun, they swept our roads, chopped down trees, nary a complaint. I for one will never forget how these people have helped us over the years.
The Jamaicans who came to work in Cayman after Ivan did not do so as members of the Peace Corp. They were well paid for any work that was done. Why would they complain? Unfortunately, in those conditions many were allowed in without the proper background checks and that has not turned out so well.
Please don't try to revise history for the sake of sentiment.
Anyone who knows Cayman history well can't deny that without Jamaicans and especially Sir Vasell Johnson, the Cayman island would be nowhere what it is today. Before the work of Sir V.J. (BORN IN JAMAICA) the Caymans were a mostly forgotten set of tiny dots on the globe. So, it is a slap in the face that a visa regime was imposed on Sir. V.J's Jamaican decendants and Jamaicans in general.
Jamaicans slaved away to enrich England and generally care for the Queen which is why HM is Head of State. So, it is also a slap in the face that the UK has imposed the visa regime against them. There are other things which could have been done to weed-out the bad from the good. In fact, in this day and age no country really requires a visa regime, it's racist and backwards. With all the intelligence sharing amongst countries it should be relatively easy to weed-out the bad from the good before anyone boards a plane or ship.
Yes, Jamaica has had some hardships, especially over 18 years of failed PNP leadership. However, the future is looking better and that's why the premier was there.
Bush… of all persons who is scared of Independence, who refused the Untied Nations from coming here to educate the public, and who refused to send Cayman delegates to their meetings – how is it now he is meeting up with Jamaica Bruce Golding???
People of Cayman… we are like a hot-dog between two stale buns. The United Kingdom (stalest of white buns) want us for what we have before they say they don't want us anymore, and the local government (white bun turn black), look like they are looking out for no one else but themselves. So thus far, both governments dread Independence at this time. So I must ask – what about the people???
When will we get "Independence" from these politicians??? And when will we have true democracy??? We are not even Independent yet and already we are having economic decline – that should tell you something! Where is the money going??? Who is receiving the monies???
bradley, trust me, the uk would be happy to get rid of us anytime soon. And they are not going to do so without first taking something from us – whatever that $something$ is. Don't be surprise that the desk clerk response to Mac was just an indicator of their intentions that they got what they want from us and don't want to deal with us anymore.
You've totally confused us here, and probably yourself as well.
Put down the bong before you start to comment mate, and then you might make some sense.
What exactlyare you saying ?
That Cayman will be more or less prosperous with independence ?
That England wants to soak the Cayman Islands for what it has, which is ?
If you haven't figured it out yet, the only way to be totally free and independent of the system in which we live is….
A one way-way ticket to your happy hunting ground in the sky or wherever else it may be.
Grow up ! There are people like yourself who've never lived in an independent country since moving to Cayman, if you weren't born there.
You'll get your wish soon enough; let's hope you will be able to handle the ride.
You are joking? Cayman has been dead against independence for years. You don't get independence from politicians…they just get replaced with other ones. I for one welcome the UK keeping a steady hand and making sure things are well run and politicians are not running wild.
Was independence really the best thing to happen to Jamaica?
NO, thats what carried them down.
Rather it was "corruption" in Government – not Independence itself that cause their economic downfall.
Independence was a huge mistake for Jamaica, most Jamaicans will tell you so. independence wasn't even agreed to through a referendum but really forced on by two politicians hungry to be called "Prime Minister."
He has to vist with Bruce. He has to report. He needs to let him know which projects coming their way and how many more status grants he willbe giving away. This Government is known as an extention of JLP. Ask any one in Jamaica in the "know" and its well known. Bush has always been coached and advised by the JLP. Nothing new. Jamaican upper class and JLPers run this country ….with the exception of Dart.